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 Posted: Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 09:46 am
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To be fair, the Hornets didn't fail in Charlotte, their owner is a douchebag.




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NJRob65 wrote: BayouBoogie wrote:
HBF wrote: Married Jo wrote: The Charlotte Bobcats. Nobody gives a shit, we cared about the Hornets. The Hornets should have never left. Now they are losing money like crazy, nobody comes to see them in New Orleans, and nobody comes to see the Bobcats in Charlotte. Bunch of bullshit. Fuck George Shinn.
While we're on the topic, why are the Utah Jazz still "the Jazz".  Mormons don't know anything about the genre.
Why are the Hornets know in New Orleans?  Why not rename them the Jazz?

Makes little sense.


I agree, New Orleans should have kept the Jazz name.  There were rumors that the ownership group that had worked out a deal to buy the Timberwolves back in 94 were negotiating with Utah for the name and colors, but the NBA blocked the sale and kept the team in Minneapolis.  I don't remember talk about it when the Hornets came. It seems like people were talking about it the year before when many thought we'd be getting the Grizzlies, though my memory could be playing tricks on me.


When the Jazz were purchased and moved to Utah, part of the stipulations, for some bizarre reason, were that they keep the Jazz name.

I think that boxing promoter Bob Arum was part of the group that wanted to purchase the Minnesota Timberwolves and move them to New Orleans. I don't remember anything about a name change, although it's possible.


Yeah, Bob Arum was the front man of the group.  They supposedly were working on a deal to buy the Jazz name and colors from Utah.  The group actually did "purchase" the group pending approval by the NBA, but Stern put the ixnay on it the whole thing.  That's about when plans for the New Orleans arena started moving, so they'd have something to show the NBA the next time they got a shot at a franchise.

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stingmark wrote: Charlotte Bobcats-Why would you put a team there, after the first one failed?



As sek said, The Hornets were very popular for many years in Charlotte.  It was the majority owner who is a terrible owner.  He angered the fans then took the team elsewhere. 

The Hornets were popular enough in Charlotte that the league promised them the franchise that would later be named the Bobcats before the Hornets even left town.

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The owners of the Bobcats are totally incompetent. That team had a chance to be successful, but has been ruined by ownership that has not only failed from a basketball standpoint, but has also completely failed from an operations and sales and marketing standpoint as well. They constantly make the wrong choices and do everything on the cheap. For instance construction of their arena was approved in 2002, ground was broken for their arena in 2003, it opened in 2005, yet it took until 2008 for the Bobcats to obtain a naming rights sponsor for the building. How could it have taken six years to get a name on that arena?

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sek69 wrote:
To be fair, the Hornets didn't fail in Charlotte, their owner is a douchebag.





George Shinn(?) was pretty much despised by most fans, who refused to support the team.

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Florida Panthers, Atlanta Thrashers, Nashville Predators and Phoenix Coyotes.  All 4 could easily be contracted or relocated.



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Ultimark wrote: Pittsburgh Pirates, Florida Marlins, Kansas City Royals, Nashville Predators, Columbus Blue Jackets (or whatever they are called).    T he NFL and NBA don't seem to have any obvious teams to fold.  Too early to tell on The Thunder.

The Nats are on the death list but I am not ready to pull the trigger.  There is a reason why baseball failed twice in DC.

Columbus will make the playoffs this season.  Nashville, i agree with.



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broke wrote: Florida Panthers, Atlanta Thrashers, Nashville Predators and Phoenix Coyotes.  All 4 could easily be contracted or relocated.
add Tampa Bay to that list as well.



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khawk wrote:

Long-time hockey fans mostly (all?) think Bettman is an ass and he's gonna end up getting what he paid for. In the end the NHL will be better off for the contractions that seem almost inevitable now.

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NBA - don't really care, how about the whole league

NFL - Jacksonville, has trouble drawing.

        - Detroit, just a joke of a franchise

        - cincinnati, another joke of a franchise

MLB-  kansas city, texas, florida, pittsburgh, washington,

NHL-  phoenix, tampa, florida, nashville -  just move them somewhere else.



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Even though Phoenix is on the brink, would the NHL really let that team fail? As bad as the NHL comes across due to having some weak clubs, it would arguably look worse if a team folded. No NFL, MLB, NBA or NHL team has folded in over 30 years and you have to go back about 50 years prior to that instance to find another one. Even when MLB played the contraction game in the early 2000s, it was just posturing. The union was never going to let that happen and Selig and company knew it. It was just a bluff by the owners to negotiate a better contract and get a salary cap.

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tamalie wrote: Even though Phoenix is on the brink, would the NHL really let that team fail? As bad as the NHL comes across due to having some weak clubs, it would arguably look worse if a team folded.

 

It's bleeding money and the other owners are being asked to prop it up for Bettman's sake. They'll only allow that for so long.

Short-term, the league might look bad if some teams went bye-bye, but it would only benefit the game and the other owners in the long-term and when it comes down to $$$ for the owners, that's all that matters in the end.



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The funny thing about franchises is that even the worst is only one move away from improvement.

The Steelers were absolute dogshit from the time they were founded in 1933 to about 1972 or so. As much as Art Rooney Sr. is considered a God around here, it wasn't until Dan started running the team  that things started to turn around. Conventional wisdom has it that the team's 1-13 finish in 1969 allowed them to be in a position to draft 6 HOF'ers in 2 years, but the real root is that it was when Dan started calling the shots. This is a team that had had Johnny Unitas for a season and didn't see anything in him, the honest truth (and this could get me thrown out of town) is that Art was not that good in determining talent. Dan has an almost X-Men level mutant power when it comes to sensing talent, and that's why the team went from perennial doormat to a 6 time champion and model for all sports franchises.

What I'm saying is you never know, the owner of a shitty team can die/sell the team and the next thing you know a franchise bound for the scrap heap is one of the elite teams.



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I've seen the KC Royals mentioned a few times here. It's sad to see what has become of this franchise. The Royals in the late 70's and early 80's up to their Championship in 1985 were one of the AL's best teams. They had some great teams. Lots of memories of George Brett, Frank White, Willie Wilson, Hal McRae and others.

It seems like once their owner Ewing Kaufman died..so did the franchise. I always think that one day this team will be competitve again.  Believe it or not KC is a pretty good baseball town.  The sad thing is they haven't had much to cheer for in almost 25 years. I for one would like to see them have a winning season and make the playoffs again at some point soon.

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The Royals are in a terrible division so ya never know.



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