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 Posted: Sun Apr 26th, 2009 03:25 am
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The Bey pick may not have been bad, but at that position, it really shocked alot of people.  Bey may turn out to be very good, but from everything I heard, it was not like the phones were ringing to move up to the Top 10 to draft this guy. 



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What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

 

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beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

 
Having watched every game he played for UGA, he's the best back to come out of this draft and he'll be highlight-reel fodder for as long as he plays/doesn't get hurt.   He's better than everybody on the depth chart currently.



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beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

 


All we kept hearing about leading up to the draft is how much Denver had to strengthen their defense, and they went the complete opposite direction.  I have never been a big proponent of teams taking RBs in the first round, unless the RB is extremely in a league of his own and a once-in-a lifetime pick.  I also can see it if the team does not having any other glaring weaknesses.

Maybe Josh McDaniels has a plan.  His first few months in Denver have been "rocky" to say the least.

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Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

 


All we kept hearing about leading up to the draft is how much Denver had to strengthen their defense, and they went the complete opposite direction.  I have never been a big proponent of teams taking RBs in the first round, unless the RB is extremely in a league of his own and a once-in-a lifetime pick.  I also can see it if the team does not having any other glaring weaknesses.

Maybe Josh McDaniels has a plan.  His first few months in Denver have been "rocky" to say the least.
You know, between Hammer To Fall and myself, we may finally begin to accurately categorize Moreno.
He's not a once in a lifetime player (Earl Campbell, Herschel, and Bo come immediately to mind) but he's really unbelievable if you watch him. He'll be a pro-bowler if he doesn't get hurt, because he's insanely athletic and strong as shit. He'll score a ton of TD's, but won't break a bunch of 50-yarders like Dickerson.  He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?



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Married Jo wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Another jackass pick....Al Davis and the Raiders take Darrius Heyward-Bey (WR) out of Maryland.  This was the 7th pick overall.  He was a mid-to-late 1st Round projected pick at best.  Crabtree is still out there!!!  Heyward-Bey is very fast, but he has a lot of questions with his hands.  They definitely could have traded down for him.  Al Davis and the Raidas are loonier than ever.
they are alot of questions over Crabtree's foot.  i actually like the pick for Bey, he has been moving up fast for the past month or so.
same here. I like the pick. And I did NOT like Crabtree...between that foot and his character, thank god the Raiders stayed away from him.



The Raiders pick of WR Bey and  S Mitchell were the worst picks on day one.  Bey will be no better than a kick returner.

They were second to last in rush defense and didn't address the position. Their offense will never get on the field. Tom Cable will be fired after next season.

Crabtree may or may not have character problems but once he hits San Francisco he will change otherwise mike Singletary will snap his neck.

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HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: What are your thoughts on Denver taking Knowshon Moreno at #12 after spending the offseason signing every free agent RB they could get their hands on?

 


All we kept hearing about leading up to the draft is how much Denver had to strengthen their defense, and they went the complete opposite direction.  I have never been a big proponent of teams taking RBs in the first round, unless the RB is extremely in a league of his own and a once-in-a lifetime pick.  I also can see it if the team does not having any other glaring weaknesses.

Maybe Josh McDaniels has a plan.  His first few months in Denver have been "rocky" to say the least.
You know, between Hammer To Fall and myself, we may finally begin to accurately categorize Moreno.
He's not a once in a lifetime player (Earl Campbell, Herschel, and Bo come immediately to mind) but he's really unbelievable if you watch him. He'll be a pro-bowler if he doesn't get hurt, because he's insanely athletic and strong as shit. He'll score a ton of TD's, but won't break a bunch of 50-yarders like Dickerson.  He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

He may need to score a ton of TDs, because Denver will be giving up alot of points.  Once again, I do not think the issue here is a knock against Moreno as much as it is a knock against a team that had much greater needs on the other side of the ball.

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HBF wrote:
You know, between Hammer To Fall and myself, we may finally begin to accurately categorize Moreno.
He's not a once in a lifetime player (Earl Campbell, Herschel, and Bo come immediately to mind) but he's really unbelievable if you watch him. He'll be a pro-bowler if he doesn't get hurt, because he's insanely athletic and strong as shit. He'll score a ton of TD's, but won't break a bunch of 50-yarders like Dickerson.  He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?


I see him sort of like Brian Westbrook. He can catch, he can hit the gaps, very athletic. He's non-stop. You tackle him, he bounces right back up.

I think he's the type to make his teammates better because his enthusiasm is infectious.

I attended the UGA-Central Michigan game last year. The weather was unbearably hot and my seat was in the shade. I left at the end of the third quarter. As I'm walking outside the stadium, the crowd let off a thunderous roar.

What was it? Moreno. Hurdling a defender.
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Knowing we need O Linemen( and just about everything else) why the fuck did we take some no named safety w/the 33rd pick? I was left scratching my head with that one.



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HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

Emmit was only a ss rb because of the 5-6 por bowl O linemen that blocked for him, and the pro bowl tight end/and fullback that did as well. I think Emmit get's too much credit and far too much overhype for being just a good back, which is exactly what he is, a good back. If Emmit were on say, the Atlanta Falcons during the majority of his career, would he have put up those #'s? I highly doubt it. The guy is way overrated IMHO.

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stingmark wrote: HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: beejmi wrote: He's more like Emmit, with better athleticism and less heart (I don't know anybody with Emmit's heart for that matter).
Hammer To Fall, what's your take on Knowshon?

Emmit was only a ss rb because of the 5-6 por bowl O linemen that blocked for him, and the pro bowl tight end/and fullback that did as well. I think Emmit get's too much credit and far too much overhype for being just a good back, which is exactly what he is, a good back. If Emmit were on say, the Atlanta Falcons during the majority of his career, would he have put up those #'s? I highly doubt it. The guy is way overrated IMHO.

I can sort of agree on that.  He was a product of the line in front of him, but that is part of football.  I do think he is overrated at times when it comes to comparisons between him and other RBs.



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Emmitt's production was due to heart.  I will never forget how he single-handedly beat my Giants in 1993 to wrap up the NFC East.  That was what separated him.

I'd say that there were at least 25 backs in league history who were better athletically, but they didn't set the records.



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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

Wooh!

This is going to be interesting.

Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


Free,

I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.

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Well day two is underway. I'm not going anywhere because there is a chance the Oakland Raiders might select me today as an under-the-radar mid-rounder.

Someone let Claw know that if they hear the words "The Oakland Raiders select beejmi" that I'm out of here.

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Ultimark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: Papa Voo wrote: Pitt's LeSean McCoy goes to Philly!

Wooh!

This is going to be interesting.

Fat Andy is doing a heck of a job with the draft so far. i would like to see the draft maybe Deon Butler or Derrick Williams from Penn State in the 3rd round.


Free,

I would take Williams as 3rd rounder.  He could run the wildcat.  I don't know much about the WR from Mizzou.  The guys on ESPN were killing the pick saying the birds should have traded their 1 to the Cards for Boldin.  What do you think?

As for McCoy, I really like the pick.  He is a successor to Westbrook who only has a year or 2 left.


McCoy has some question marks around him.  He is sometimes described as a lesser-version of Reggie Bush type which could limit him.  I think Philly will find ways fro him to get the ball, but he HAS to improve holding on to the ball.  He has fumbled the ball at key times during games.

Maclin also has some questions, but I think he can improve with good coaching.

Overall, the Eagles made the picks they needed, now we have to see if these players pan out. 

I think both can be solid players, but I am not sure if they are superstars.



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