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carpetbeggar
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:41 am |
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R.I.P. to all the people who lost their lives today. I see the guy who pull the trigger actually survived the ordeal. Boys, when he wakes up after recovering from his injuries, he's gonna wish he turned that gun on himself due to the shit-storm that's 'a comin' his way! 
Not good, I say this investigation goes on for years and creates changes in the way the military handles mental health issues among their soldiers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm
Deadly shootings at US army base
A US Army major has opened fire on fellow soldiers at the Fort Hood military base in Texas, killing 13 people and injuring 30, officials say.
Base commander Lt Gen Bob Cone said that the gunman had not been killed, as earlier stated, but was in custody.
It is not clear what motivated the attacker, named as 39 year-old military psychiatrist Major Nidal Malik Hasan.
But some reports said the US-born Muslim was unhappy about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Lt Gen Cone said one of the dead was a policeman, others were soldiers.
President Barack Obama described it as "a horrific outburst of violence".
Speaking at a press conference in Washington, he said: "It is difficult enough when we lose these brave men and women abroad, but it is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on US soil."
He extended his condolences to the families of the victims, adding: "We will make sure that we get answers to every single question about this horrible incident."
Eleven victims were initially reported dead, but two of the injured later died, bringing the death toll to 13.
'Racial harassment'
The gunman, named as Major Nidal Malik Hasan, is now said to be wounded after being shot four times, but is in a stable condition in custody.
"His death is not imminent," said Lt Gen Cone.
An official said authorities initially thought one of the victims was the shooter, causing a delay in identifying Maj Hasan as the suspect, AP reported.
Maj Hasan, aged 39, was a military psychiatrist and was reportedly due to be sent on a mission to Iraq or Afghanistan.
His cousin said Maj Hasan - a US-born Muslim - had been resisting such a deployment.
"He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything," Nader Hasan told Fox News.
He also said that Nidal Malik Hasan had been battling racial harassment because of his "Middle Eastern ethnicity".
Prior to Fort Hood, Maj Hasan served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, which treats wounded troops from combat zones.
Witness' account
The shooting had begun at about 1330 (1930 GMT) on Thursday at a personnel and medical centre at Fort Hood, where soldiers who are preparing to deploy go for last-minute medical check-ups, Lt Gen Cone said.
He said the gunman had two weapons, one semi-automatic, which "might explain the rate of fire".
Asked whether the shootings were a terrorist act, Lt Gen Cone said: "I couldn't rule that out but I'm telling you that right now, the evidence does not suggest that."
Two more suspects were apprehended in an adjacent facility, he said, but eyewitness accounts suggesting there might have been more than one gunman were later discounted.
A serviceman stationed at Fort Hood who asked to remain anonymous told the BBC: "I heard the emergency announcement over the speakers outside and saw people rushing to get indoors."
Local congressman John Carter, speaking to NBC News, said gunfire had erupted half an hour before a graduation ceremony was due to begin.
'Like a city'
Fort Hood, near the town of Killeen, is the largest US base in the world.
Home to about 40,000 US troops, the base lies between Austin and Waco, about 60 miles (100 km) from each city.
Units at Fort Hood are among those deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and some will have returned from there.
The base has a centre that deals with combat stress, our correspondent adds.
Hilary Shine, of the Killeen Fire Department told the BBC's News Channel Fort Hood was like a small city.
"It has schools, a hospital, a convenience store even. And it has a large daytime population - including civilians working on the base - with as many as 80,000 in this area during the daytime."
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:56 am |
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| My Nephew is stationed there. He is in Iraq, but his wife and 3 kids were on Base today. They are fine, but a neighbor has been shot. His condition is unknown.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 01:24 pm |
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened before. A devout muslim
being conflicted with the possibility of having to kill fellow
muslims.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 07:28 pm |
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lobo316 wrote: I'm surprised this hasn't happened before. A devout muslim
being conflicted with the possibility of having to kill fellow
muslims.
That's not really what happened here. In the AP story this morning, it said he'd been mercilessly terrorized by his peers for being Muslim.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:21 pm |
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Kid_Naitch wrote: lobo316 wrote: I'm surprised this hasn't happened before. A devout muslim
being conflicted with the possibility of having to kill fellow
muslims.
That's not really what happened here. In the AP story this morning, it said he'd been mercilessly terrorized by his peers for being Muslim.
It also said he recently found out he was being deployed to the Middle East and it had a major effect on him. He had a lawyer trying to get him out of his military commitment because of it, but their efforts were rejected. They also made mention that he had been becoming more and more extreme in his views as he counseled returning troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.
One of my students' mother works at Ft. Hood as a Sociologist. She had left that building about 15 minutes before the shooting started. She was headed to Louisiana for Senior Night tonight at our football game.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:46 pm |
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By and large the facts won't matter as I'm sure the AM Talkers and Fox News types have already spun this into why you can't trust them Moo-slems.
Not surprising that the guy was getting shit for his beliefs, wasn't too long ago that there were allegations coming out that the military is basically turning into a giant Christian conversion plant where anyone who's not given themselves to the LAWD is subject to constant harassment.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:53 pm |
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sek69 wrote:
By and large the facts won't matter as I'm sure the AM Talkers and Fox News types have already spun this into why you can't trust them Moo-slems.
Not surprising that the guy was getting shit for his beliefs, wasn't too long ago that there were allegations coming out that the military is basically turning into a giant Christian conversion plant where anyone who's not given themselves to the LAWD is subject to constant harassment.
So what, the asshole was a victim? Who's doing the spin now?Last edited on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 08:56 pm by amerorig
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 11:01 pm |
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amerorig wrote: sek69 wrote:
By and large the facts won't matter as I'm sure the AM Talkers and Fox News types have already spun this into why you can't trust them Moo-slems.
Not surprising that the guy was getting shit for his beliefs, wasn't too long ago that there were allegations coming out that the military is basically turning into a giant Christian conversion plant where anyone who's not given themselves to the LAWD is subject to constant harassment.
So what, the asshole was a victim? Who's doing the spin now?
I think it's more looking for a reason behind what happened so as to prevent it from happening in the future, not to use as a mitigating factor in what the perp did.
And, unfortunately, this probably will have a ripple effect on other Muslim servicemen/women.
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Posted: Fri Nov 6th, 2009 11:42 pm |
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amerorig wrote: sek69 wrote:
By and large the facts won't matter as I'm sure the AM Talkers and Fox News types have already spun this into why you can't trust them Moo-slems.
Not surprising that the guy was getting shit for his beliefs, wasn't too long ago that there were allegations coming out that the military is basically turning into a giant Christian conversion plant where anyone who's not given themselves to the LAWD is subject to constant harassment.
So what, the asshole was a victim? Who's doing the spin now?
People don't suddenly decide to open fire on their coworkers for no reason. I'm not justifying it in the least what he did, but most people get in the "kill the fucker who did it" mentality and don't want to look into the causes that lead to it happening. Kid Naitch pretty much summed up what I was trying to say.
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 01:03 am |
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sek69 wrote:
amerorig wrote: sek69 wrote:
By and large the facts won't matter as I'm sure the AM Talkers and Fox News types have already spun this into why you can't trust them Moo-slems.
Not surprising that the guy was getting shit for his beliefs, wasn't too long ago that there were allegations coming out that the military is basically turning into a giant Christian conversion plant where anyone who's not given themselves to the LAWD is subject to constant harassment.
So what, the asshole was a victim? Who's doing the spin now?
People don't suddenly decide to open fire on their coworkers for no reason. I'm not justifying it in the least what he did, but most people get in the "kill the fucker who did it" mentality and don't want to look into the causes that lead to it happening. Kid Naitch pretty much summed up what I was trying to say.
Ok fine, look for the reason. But don't just blame the guys on base.
(Once again, I admit I have a dog in this fight. The guy is on base with family of mine. )
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Posted: Sat Nov 7th, 2009 03:20 am |
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sek69 wrote: By and large the facts won't matter as I'm sure the AM Talkers and Fox News types have already spun this into why you can't trust them Moo-slems.
This wing nut is claiming the major that did the shooting was an adviser to Obama. Bet Glenn Beck is kicking his own ass that he didn't think of this shit first.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/06/iwndis-jerome-corsi-claim_n_348461.html
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