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carpetbeggar wrote: Does this new show have "sci-fi" elements like 'Lost' did?


Yup - you guys must have forgotten me talking about this show back in August when I got hired on as a 1963 Alcatraz prisoner: http://sportsandwrestling.mywowbb.com/forum4/21325-1.html

The show is based on the premise that the real reason that Alcatraz closed in 1963 is because one night all the prisoners and guards ( a total of 302 men ) completely disappeared from within the prison. The main plotline of the show is that the prisoners have started showing up in present day San Francisco. They have not aged at all and have no idea what happened to them or where they've been. Sam Neil plays one of the leads and I honestly have no idea if he is actually a good guy or bad guy but it does appear that he knows more than he is telling the other people working the case.


It's been a bit of a strange show to work on since there were times I worked 6 day weeks for a month and then I would do nothing for 2 or 3 weeks at a time. Apparently one of the main actors ( who is one of the present day characters ) has been working on another project in Toronto so when he was available they would shoot just the present day footage and when he was in Toronto they would shoot the 1963 prison footage which meant I would be working. My agent told me over the holidays that he had heard that the first 2 episodes tested very poorly with test audiences in LA so they did some major rewrites and then reshoot some stuff. I'm not a sci-fi fan at all so I  honestly don't know if this show will be a huge hit or be a major flop. FOX is definitely counting on J.J. Abrams' name to bring in viewers as his name " hot " right now and it is the only one they are putting out there in all the commercials and print promos:




The good thing is that they are heavily promoting this show so they might give it a bit of time if the ratings for the first few shows aren't that great. It was supposed to air on Sunday nights ( which I thought was strange what with all the animated shows that FOX airs on Sundays ) but it will air on Mondays at least for the first few weeks. I would tell you to watch for me but I highly doubt you will ever really get a good look at me. The next time I work I'll mark down my Prisoner Number and you can keep an eye out for me. ;)


 




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Show was great. I'm hooked.



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clawmaster wrote: Show was great. I'm hooked.

Good - I'll watch it later tonight. Remember that S & W members get an extra 15 % off on autographed 8x10 photos ( personalizations are 5 bucks extra ) and 20 % off autographed thongs ( no personalizations will be given ).



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CanadianHorseman wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Show was great. I'm hooked.

Good - I'll watch it later tonight. Remember that S & W members get an extra 15 % off on autographed 8x10 photos ( personalizations are 5 bucks extra ) and 20 % off autographed thongs ( no personalizations will be given ).

How much is the blonde chicks autograph?:)



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The Wife and I watched it and it was good, looking forward to next week.



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Benlen wrote: CanadianHorseman wrote:
clawmaster wrote: Show was great. I'm hooked.

Good - I'll watch it later tonight. Remember that S & W members get an extra 15 % off on autographed 8x10 photos ( personalizations are 5 bucks extra ) and 20 % off autographed thongs ( no personalizations will be given ).

How much is the blonde chicks autograph?:)

Obviously less expensive then mine would be. :tongue: Her name is Sarah Jones and she is really much cuter in person than she appears to be on TV.



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watched it this morning, and I have to say, it has a solid premise and a show I will continue to watch.  I just hope Fox doesn't insist on tweaks if the ratings are not there

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Just watched it.  Very interesting premise and I'll continue watching, but man I really wish the acting and dialogue were better.  It's par for the course for network TV, but it's just not up to the standards of HBO or Showtime.  There are way too many "Dum Dum DUMMMMM!" moments to take it too seriously.  It's about even with Flash Forward, which I also thought had a great premise, maybe even a better one, but was hampered by the dialogue and acting.  And that show didn't last long.  And the main chick just isn't hot enough to put aside the fact that she's an average actor. 



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srossi wrote: Just watched it.  Very interesting premise and I'll continue watching, but man I really wish the acting and dialogue were better.  It's par for the course for network TV, but it's just not up to the standards of HBO or Showtime.  There are way too many "Dum Dum DUMMMMM!" moments to take it too seriously.  It's about even with Flash Forward, which I also thought had a great premise, maybe even a better one, but was hampered by the dialogue and acting.  And that show didn't last long.  And the main chick just isn't hot enough to put aside the fact that she's an average actor. 


WOW, Steve, you put into words better than I ever could exactly my thoughts on the first two episodes. The lead "chick" really bothers me also. Not really a fan of her so far. IMHO I think an actress a little older should have been cast. I see why they did of course, as it IS network TV, but I'm a sucker for realism in my shows and having a female detective that young just doesn't sit well for me and their attempt at explaining how she became a detective at so young an age was really week.
Sam 'O Neill is the star of the show for sure IMO. I love the premise and will continue to watch to see where they go with this...and just for the fact I want to see if Bob "shines" in his scenes. You never know, maybe they'll give him a bigger role moving forward next season. ;)

BTW Bob, did you see yourself in any of the scenes yet? I know they really haven't shown a lot of the other inmates yet.

**edit* Bob I wanted to ask also, is the whole first season filmed yet? How many episodes do they plan on showing for the season?

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carpetbeggar wrote: BTW Bob, did you see yourself in any of the scenes yet? I know they really haven't shown a lot of the other inmates yet.

**edit* Bob I wanted to ask also, is the whole first season filmed yet? How many episodes do they plan on showing for the season?

I haven't watched it yet. I was going to watch it this afternoon but got called in for a fitting for an A & W commercial I'm shooting next week. Nothing special - just a guy chowing down on one of their fine delicious burgers.

I just checked my voucher and the last day I worked on Alcatraz ( November 26th ) we split the day between Episodes 7 and 8. They only worked a few more days before wrapping things up for the holidays so they might not have even finished Episode 8 yet. I heard that because of Abrams being hot right now that FOX commited to either 12 or 14 episodes which is higher than most new 1 hour shows get a commitment for.



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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Just watched it.  Very interesting premise and I'll continue watching, but man I really wish the acting and dialogue were better.  It's par for the course for network TV, but it's just not up to the standards of HBO or Showtime.  There are way too many "Dum Dum DUMMMMM!" moments to take it too seriously.  It's about even with Flash Forward, which I also thought had a great premise, maybe even a better one, but was hampered by the dialogue and acting.  And that show didn't last long.  And the main chick just isn't hot enough to put aside the fact that she's an average actor. 


WOW, Steve, you put into words better than I ever could exactly my thoughts on the first two episodes. The lead "chick" really bothers me also. Not really a fan of her so far. IMHO I think an actress a little older should have been cast. I see why they did of course, as it IS network TV, but I'm a sucker for realism in my shows and having a female detective that young just doesn't sit well for me and their attempt at explaining how she became a detective at so young an age was really week.

Sarah Jones, the lead actress, reminds me of Kathryn Morris of Cold Case except with Tits. A veteran actress would have cost more money for a show that might or might not make it. And just because you hire a veteran actress doesn't mean the show will automatically make it. Julianna Margulies of ER, now of The Good Wife, had a lawyer show on FOX that didn't make it.  Can't remember the name of it off hand. It didn't even last one season.

My concern is this show will be a one year wonder like Prison Break.



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clawmaster wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Just watched it.  Very interesting premise and I'll continue watching, but man I really wish the acting and dialogue were better.  It's par for the course for network TV, but it's just not up to the standards of HBO or Showtime.  There are way too many "Dum Dum DUMMMMM!" moments to take it too seriously.  It's about even with Flash Forward, which I also thought had a great premise, maybe even a better one, but was hampered by the dialogue and acting.  And that show didn't last long.  And the main chick just isn't hot enough to put aside the fact that she's an average actor. 


WOW, Steve, you put into words better than I ever could exactly my thoughts on the first two episodes. The lead "chick" really bothers me also. Not really a fan of her so far. IMHO I think an actress a little older should have been cast. I see why they did of course, as it IS network TV, but I'm a sucker for realism in my shows and having a female detective that young just doesn't sit well for me and their attempt at explaining how she became a detective at so young an age was really week.

Sarah Jones, the lead actress, reminds me of Kathryn Morris of Cold Case except with Tits. A veteran actress would have cost more money for a show that might or might not make it. And just because you hire a veteran actress doesn't mean the show will automatically make it. Julianna Margulies of ER, now of The Good Wife, had a lawyer show on FOX that didn't make it.  Can't remember the name of it off hand. It didn't even last one season.

My concern is this show will be a one year wonder like Prison Break.

Not really saying it should have been a "veteran" actress, just that the character should have been portrayed as an older women, with a different and more mature looking actress playing the role.

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carpetbeggar wrote: clawmaster wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Just watched it.  Very interesting premise and I'll continue watching, but man I really wish the acting and dialogue were better.  It's par for the course for network TV, but it's just not up to the standards of HBO or Showtime.  There are way too many "Dum Dum DUMMMMM!" moments to take it too seriously.  It's about even with Flash Forward, which I also thought had a great premise, maybe even a better one, but was hampered by the dialogue and acting.  And that show didn't last long.  And the main chick just isn't hot enough to put aside the fact that she's an average actor. 


WOW, Steve, you put into words better than I ever could exactly my thoughts on the first two episodes. The lead "chick" really bothers me also. Not really a fan of her so far. IMHO I think an actress a little older should have been cast. I see why they did of course, as it IS network TV, but I'm a sucker for realism in my shows and having a female detective that young just doesn't sit well for me and their attempt at explaining how she became a detective at so young an age was really week.

Sarah Jones, the lead actress, reminds me of Kathryn Morris of Cold Case except with Tits. A veteran actress would have cost more money for a show that might or might not make it. And just because you hire a veteran actress doesn't mean the show will automatically make it. Julianna Margulies of ER, now of The Good Wife, had a lawyer show on FOX that didn't make it.  Can't remember the name of it off hand. It didn't even last one season.

My concern is this show will be a one year wonder like Prison Break.

Not really saying it should have been a "veteran" actress, just that the character should have been portrayed as an older women, with a different and more mature looking actress playing the role.


They could've taken an unknown who doesn't look that great but can actually act, and she would've come super cheap.  Cable does it all the time.  FX is building themselves up with great original dramas like American Horror Story and they have a fraction of the budget as Alcatraz I'm sure.  No one on that show looks that great but they can act and the dialogue isn't written for 12-year olds. 

It really just comes down to the image that the networks need to portray: hot and for the masses.  But almost all of those shows are gone in 2 years anyway.  I would think that the success of Lost and the incredible staying power of so many premium cable shows would prove that you don't need to dumb down a show so that every retard can predict the next line in order to be a success.  Even if you lose some mass appeal, a show can still be successful appealing to a broad niche, and the sustainable of the brand including merchandising and future DVD sales will make you more money than the never-ending merry-go-round of failed shows that at worst last half a season before being cancelled with no ratings and at best have one good year (the aforementioned Prison Break or Heroes) before everyone tires of it. 

Edit: A perfect example of what drives me nuts about network shows is how big a rush they are to "get on with it", as opposed to the cable shows that have season-long arcs that make sense and draw you in.  If Alcatraz was on HBO, no way does Hurley join the team the first episode.  It makes no sense.  "I'm the prickly Fed who hates everyone and even has doubts about the cop, but hey, there's a fat dude who runs a comic book shop.  He has a PhD at least, so welcome aboard!"  That decision literally took 5 seconds.  The cop said she wanted him, Sam O'Neill acted incredulous, and then said, "Duh, OK."  That's the stuff that I just can't deal with.  If this was "Dexter" or "The Wire", that would've been dragged out 8 episodes.  But God forbid you don't jump into the main plot right away on the networks, some teenager might get bored and switch to Jersey Shore.  But when you speed through 8 episodes in 1, everyone gets burned out and loses interest mid-way through the first season ayway.

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srossi wrote: Edit: A perfect example of what drives me nuts about network shows is how big a rush they are to "get on with it", as opposed to the cable shows that have season-long arcs that make sense and draw you in.  If Alcatraz was on HBO, no way does Hurley join the team the first episode.  It makes no sense.  "I'm the prickly Fed who hates everyone and even has doubts about the cop, but hey, there's a fat dude who runs a comic book shop.  He has a PhD at least, so welcome aboard!"  That decision literally took 5 seconds.  The cop said she wanted him, Sam O'Neill acted incredulous, and then said, "Duh, OK."  That's the stuff that I just can't deal with.  If this was "Dexter" or "The Wire", that would've been dragged out 8 episodes.  But God forbid you don't jump into the main plot right away on the networks, some teenager might get bored and switch to Jersey Shore.  But when you speed through 8 episodes in 1, everyone gets burned out and loses interest mid-way through the first season anyway.
Ahhh, AGAIN, you write it better than I ever could, exactly my thoughts too.

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carpetbeggar wrote: srossi wrote: Edit: A perfect example of what drives me nuts about network shows is how big a rush they are to "get on with it", as opposed to the cable shows that have season-long arcs that make sense and draw you in.  If Alcatraz was on HBO, no way does Hurley join the team the first episode.  It makes no sense.  "I'm the prickly Fed who hates everyone and even has doubts about the cop, but hey, there's a fat dude who runs a comic book shop.  He has a PhD at least, so welcome aboard!"  That decision literally took 5 seconds.  The cop said she wanted him, Sam O'Neill acted incredulous, and then said, "Duh, OK."  That's the stuff that I just can't deal with.  If this was "Dexter" or "The Wire", that would've been dragged out 8 episodes.  But God forbid you don't jump into the main plot right away on the networks, some teenager might get bored and switch to Jersey Shore.  But when you speed through 8 episodes in 1, everyone gets burned out and loses interest mid-way through the first season anyway.
Ahhh, AGAIN, you write it better than I ever could, exactly my thoughts too.

Quit channeling.   It creeps me out.


 



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