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 Posted: Sun Oct 21st, 2012 11:07 am
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When things like this happen where is the liberal gun hating press?

The only problem I see here is that the scumbag didn't die, just imagine if the girl didn't have a gun what he would have done to her.  Good shooting young lady.

http://news.yahoo.com/okla-girl-12-shoots-intruder-during-home-burglary-120453440--abc-news-topstories.html



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I doubt the dude would have had enough time to rape her. So the police would have shot him.
Which means everybody should have a rocket launcher.



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What is it nowadays with kids always calling parents first, then 911?  This is like the 5th or 6th story I have read in the past couple months where kids have called parents first before calling the authorities over things like this.  Are numerous parents not educating kids to call 911 first?

I would have shot the guy as well, and I have told my older kids where I keep a loaded gun so if they are here and something happens, run upstairs to my bedroom and shut/lock the door and grab the gun out of the nightstand next to my bed and to call 911 on the phone(speed dial 1 on the phone).  If someone attempts to bust through the door, pull the trigger.

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katook wrote: When things like this happen where is the liberal gun hating press?

The only problem I see here is that the scumbag didn't die, just imagine if the girl didn't have a gun what he would have done to her.  Good shooting young lady.

The main problem I see here is that some stupid filthbitch left her 12 year old at home alone with a loaded fucking gun.  How in the name of fuck is she fit to be a parent?



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12 years old is old enough to know how to handle a gun, and old enough to know not to mess with it unless it is a matter of life and death.

Growing up, my dad was a cop, we had by necessity a gun in the house, and so did most of our neighbors, loaded or unloaded, and everybody knew where the ammo was and how to use it if push came to shove.

The rules at home were simple:you never, ever, under any circumstances other than life or death touched dads service pistol, grabbing up the .22 rifle was no big deal, we would often take it out back and plink cans and bottles with it, sometimes a squirrell or bird, too, (but Mom and Dad had no idea about that, an ass whipping would have occured)

Our neighbors also had guns, .22 rifles, .30-30 deer rifles, and assorted 410 and 12 guage shotguns, all the kids knew how to load them, unload them, clean them and use them, and SURPRISE!!!, not once did anybody get hurt, blown away, or have anybody threatening to shoot anybody else.

Had that girl not been able to get to the phone first and had she not been able to get that gun, there is ABSOLUTLEY NO DOUBT that she WOULD have been raped and most likely killed.



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kargol wrote: katook wrote: When things like this happen where is the liberal gun hating press?

The only problem I see here is that the scumbag didn't die, just imagine if the girl didn't have a gun what he would have done to her.  Good shooting young lady.

The main problem I see here is that some stupid filthbitch left her 12 year old at home alone with a loaded fucking gun.  How in the name of fuck is she fit to be a parent?
Like Katook stated, 12 is old enough to use a gun

My oldest kids(above 12 yrs old) all know where my loaded handgun is kept just in case of an intruder, and they know that if its touched at any time except for an emergency, they will be lucky if they get ungrounded before they graduate high school. 

Where I live, and where my house is located, it can take at minimum 5-10 minutes for the police to arrive with their lights and sirens on if we need them.  Thats why I have a loaded gun on stand by in my house, because in the time it takes the police to arrive after the 911 call, who knows what can happen in that time.

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The intruder was named Stacey Jones. Here are the things Ive dug up about the guy. He was an aspiring rapper, troubled youth, former basketball player and hub cap enthusiast.

Im kinda weirded out that there isnt an ethnic description of the guy though.



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kargol wrote: katook wrote: When things like this happen where is the liberal gun hating press?

The only problem I see here is that the scumbag didn't die, just imagine if the girl didn't have a gun what he would have done to her.  Good shooting young lady.

The main problem I see here is that some stupid filthbitch left her 12 year old at home alone with a loaded fucking gun.  How in the name of fuck is she fit to be a parent?

Your main problem is with the victims and not the intruder?  Brilliant.



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indikator wrote: I doubt the dude would have had enough time to rape her. So the police would have shot him.
Which means everybody should have a rocket launcher.

I'm not sure where you read that he wanted to rape her, but it only would've taken him about 1 second to kill her.  And I don't think he was opening the door of the closet to have a conversation with her about Justin Beiber.     



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srossi wrote: kargol wrote: katook wrote: When things like this happen where is the liberal gun hating press?

The only problem I see here is that the scumbag didn't die, just imagine if the girl didn't have a gun what he would have done to her.  Good shooting young lady.

The main problem I see here is that some stupid filthbitch left her 12 year old at home alone with a loaded fucking gun.  How in the name of fuck is she fit to be a parent?

Your main problem is with the victims and not the intruder?  Brilliant.

Yeah, cos I think there's something a bit more important here.



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katook wrote: The rules at home were simple:you never, ever, under any circumstances other than life or death touched dads service pistol, grabbing up the .22 rifle was no big deal, we would often take it out back and plink cans and bottles with it, sometimes a squirrell or bird, too, (but Mom and Dad had no idea about that, an ass whipping would have occured)


So, by your own admission you broke your parents' rules about how to handle guns?

I'm with Kargol on this one. If you think anyone who trespasses on your property deserves to die, then I guess there's not a lot to debate - but if you don't, then I think leaving a 12-year old home alone with a loaded gun, and instructions to call them before calling 911, is pretty awful parenting.

The sheer number of guns and the willingness of so many people to use them in the USA frightens the life out of me.

Oh, and hurrah for guns!

http://www.timesonline.com/news/police_fire_courts/girl-accidentally-shot-by-relative-at-halloween-party/article_cf5637e7-80ac-5b91-87e2-4e0397b6fbca.html

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srossi wrote:
indikator wrote: I doubt the dude would have had enough time to rape her. So the police would have shot him.
Which means everybody should have a rocket launcher.

I'm not sure where you read that he wanted to rape her, but it only would've taken him about 1 second to kill her.  And I don't think he was opening the door of the closet to have a conversation with her about Justin Beiber.     


Not sure if an intruder would be so scared by a 12 year old in a closet that he surely would have shot her. Of course, where are talking about the US, where apparently batshit insane behavior in connection with guns is always possible...



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indikator wrote: srossi wrote:
indikator wrote: I doubt the dude would have had enough time to rape her. So the police would have shot him.
Which means everybody should have a rocket launcher.

I'm not sure where you read that he wanted to rape her, but it only would've taken him about 1 second to kill her.  And I don't think he was opening the door of the closet to have a conversation with her about Justin Beiber.     


Not sure if an intruder would be so scared by a 12 year old in a closet that he surely would have shot her. Of course, where are talking about the US, where apparently batshit insane behavior in connection with guns is always possible...

Yeah, exactly :?

Police slay teen gunman who killed 15 in Germany
WINNENDEN, Germany (AP) – A 17-year-old gunman dressed in black opened fire at his former high school in southwestern Germany on Wednesday then fled in a hijacked car, killing at least 15 people before police shot him to death, state officials said.



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yeah famous, we were boys, boys do stuff like take potshots at birds and squirrells with bb guns and/or 22 rifles, it's what they do, I would wager that I'm not the only one on this board who has ever shot or killed a bird before.

Do I think that anytime anybody trespasses on someone else's property they should get shot? Absolutely not, there can be thousands of reasons why someone you don't know is on your property, however, when someone crosses over the line and breaks into your home then I 100% absolutely without any reservations whatsoever believe that shooting them is justified, even more so if it is a 12 year old girl all alone hiding in her closet scared to death of being raped or killed by the scumbag.

Actually, I'm with you in the camp or knowing that the amounts of guns out there and the people willing to use them is indeed scary if you stop to think about it, there are no easy answers as guns are here to stay, like them or not.

I believe I have told the story here once or twice about how I was robbed at gunpoint in 1987, I know firsthand what it's like to be on the wrong end of a gun, it's not something I like to think about too much, and it's why I am 100% in the camp of concealed carry with proper training and permits, clowns like Zimmerman need not apply.

Guns take lives, guns save lives, they are tools, no more, no less, it's what one does with them that makes them "good" or "bad".




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katook wrote: yeah famous, we were boys, boys do stuff like take potshots at birds and squirrells with bb guns and/or 22 rifles, it's what they do, I would wager that I'm not the only one on this board who has ever shot or killed a bird before.

Do I think that anytime anybody trespasses on someone else's property they should get shot? Absolutely not, there can be thousands of reasons why someone you don't know is on your property, however, when someone crosses over the line and breaks into your home then I 100% absolutely without any reservations whatsoever believe that shooting them is justified, even more so if it is a 12 year old girl all alone hiding in her closet scared to death of being raped or killed by the scumbag.

Actually, I'm with you in the camp or knowing that the amounts of guns out there and the people willing to use them is indeed scary if you stop to think about it, there are no easy answers as guns are here to stay, like them or not.

I believe I have told the story here once or twice about how I was robbed at gunpoint in 1987, I know firsthand what it's like to be on the wrong end of a gun, it's not something I like to think about too much, and it's why I am 100% in the camp of concealed carry with proper training and permits, clowns like Zimmerman need not apply.

Guns take lives, guns save lives, they are tools, no more, no less, it's what one does with them that makes them "good" or "bad".


Sorry katook, I'll try and explain myself a bit better. You said, first, that there were very strict rules about what to do with guns when you were growing up - then said, later that same paragraph, that you broke those rules. My point was that if you broke a rule, what's to stop your kids from breaking your similar strict rules about gun responsibility? What happens when there's an accident a bit more serious than shooting rats in the back yard? http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gun-accidents-each-year-kills-around-500-kids - I just wouldn't be prepared for one of those 500 to be my kid.

My point re: the kid is, to use the old saying, "it's easier to put a fence at the top of a cliff, rather than an ambulance at the bottom". I agree that 12 year old must have been scared out of her mind, but her parents should never have put her in that position in the first place. You're worried enough about crime to have a loaded gun in the house, but not worried enough to take your 12 year old daughter with you when you leave?

Guns are tools, but tools whose only purpose is to kill people. Like the link I posted above (and the one in my previous post), idiots get their hands on them all the time - I guess, the question is, how many completely innocent people are going to have to get shot before people start going "maybe we should be a bit more careful who we allow to have guns"? Or are those innocent deaths a price worth paying to be able to defend your home however you see fit?

But, now we've established that you think anyone who breaks into your home can be shot and killed, I don't think there's a lot more debating to be done - I absolutely disagree, and I don't see us coming much further together.

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