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srossi wrote: I'd say let the hysteria begin, but it's too late for that.  I swear some people hope that tragedies like this will happen so they can make their political point.  From gun control to prayer in school to violent video games to rap music to global warming, everything will be blamed for this by the end of the day.  Everyone can make their silly little arguments so they can feel good about themselves, and in the meantime a couple dozen families are going to have the most hellish Christmas imaginable when they have to look at those unopened presents.  The only person to blame is the shooter  word, I agree with this verbatim



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So when is the right time to bring it up? If it's during a moment of peace then it's overreacting because things are fine. Do it in response to a tragedy and it's tasteless politicizing.

I'm tired of the "it's useless to try" way of thought. No, we can't eliminate murder, but we can sure as hell make it more difficult--mass murder in particular. The rest of the civilized world has done an effective job of it.

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Pro Gun or Anti Gun Control people can agree that their "whose dick is bigger" pissing match means little compared to what happened to those families today.  In the end, if this fucker wanted to cause mass harm he would have.  Did you guys miss the story of 22 kids wounded at a Chinese school by a guy with a knife? 


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A forensic psychiatrist explains exactly how to minimize these incidents, and it has nothing to do with guns or any action at all.  And it makes all the sense in the world, but it would be bad for ratings and self-indulgence so we'll continue to pretend to be outraged over kids dying while secretly being entertained at trying to figure out how many different hashtags we can get trending to bring attention to ourselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4#t=1m43s



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just terrible

born in the UK and living in Canada I can definitely say that Guns Kill People
you can argue all day for your right to own guns but I dont see it

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Conneticut already has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, more gun control probably wouldn't have prevented this. I'm not a big gun guy, I own 5 guns and all 5 of them were given to me, I haven't shot any of them in probably 2 years, but damn, more laws aren't going to fix a goddamned thing, it's only going to make it worse. As someone has already touched on, instead of hand-wringing over guns and more laws, etc, etc, how about let's put more effort into the mental health problems some of these people have. Get it to where people notice these people earlier, and make it to where they can get help (whether voluntary or involuntary) easier instead of making it harder. Apparently this guy had asperger's syndrome and people that knew him said he was mentally unstable. I guarantee you SOMEONE around him knew he was off and was capable of doing something insane like this, yet they didn't bother telling anyone, including his family. And now not only are they dead, but a bunch of innocent children are as well.

Like I said, I'm not a gun nut, but about the only thing I'll agree with anyone on when it comes to more gun laws is banning large clips, but in reality, a lot of those things are already banned. A lot of assault rifles are already banned. People still find a way to get them, just like drugs, just like illegal liquor, just like anything that is "banned"...



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Conneticut already has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, more gun control probably wouldn't have prevented this. I'm not a big gun guy, I own 5 guns and all 5 of them were given to me, I haven't shot any of them in probably 2 years, but damn, more laws aren't going to fix a goddamned thing, it's only going to make it worse. As someone has already touched on, instead of hand-wringing over guns and more laws, etc, etc, how about let's put more effort into the mental health problems some of these people have. Get it to where people notice these people earlier, and make it to where they can get help (whether voluntary or involuntary) easier instead of making it harder. Apparently this guy had asperger's syndrome and people that knew him said he was mentally unstable. I guarantee you SOMEONE around him knew he was off and was capable of doing something insane like this, yet they didn't bother telling anyone, including his family. And now not only are they dead, but a bunch of innocent children are as well.

Like I said, I'm not a gun nut, but about the only thing I'll agree with anyone on when it comes to more gun laws is banning large clips, but in reality, a lot of those things are already banned. A lot of assault rifles are already banned. People still find a way to get them, just like drugs, just like illegal liquor, just like anything that is "banned"...


I think it probably would. With strict gun control laws (i.e. 99.9% of the population aren't allowed to own a gun), this guy probably wouldn't have access to a gun.

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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote:
srossi wrote: I'd say let the hysteria begin, but it's too late for that.  I swear some people hope that tragedies like this will happen so they can make their political point.  From gun control to prayer in school to violent video games to rap music to global warming, everything will be blamed for this by the end of the day.  Everyone can make their silly little arguments so they can feel good about themselves, and in the meantime a couple dozen families are going to have the most hellish Christmas imaginable when they have to look at those unopened presents.  The only person to blame is the shooter  word, I agree with this verbatim

Same here. I swear I bet Bloomberg had an erection when he realized he was going to get to hold a press conference and demand more gun control laws..dude probably jizzed himself once the camera lights went on..



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Conneticut already has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, more gun control probably wouldn't have prevented this. I'm not a big gun guy, I own 5 guns and all 5 of them were given to me, I haven't shot any of them in probably 2 years, but damn, more laws aren't going to fix a goddamned thing, it's only going to make it worse. As someone has already touched on, instead of hand-wringing over guns and more laws, etc, etc, how about let's put more effort into the mental health problems some of these people have. Get it to where people notice these people earlier, and make it to where they can get help (whether voluntary or involuntary) easier instead of making it harder. Apparently this guy had asperger's syndrome and people that knew him said he was mentally unstable. I guarantee you SOMEONE around him knew he was off and was capable of doing something insane like this, yet they didn't bother telling anyone, including his family. And now not only are they dead, but a bunch of innocent children are as well.

Like I said, I'm not a gun nut, but about the only thing I'll agree with anyone on when it comes to more gun laws is banning large clips, but in reality, a lot of those things are already banned. A lot of assault rifles are already banned. People still find a way to get them, just like drugs, just like illegal liquor, just like anything that is "banned"...


I think it probably would. With strict gun control laws (i.e. 99.9% of the population aren't allowed to own a gun), this guy probably wouldn't have access to a gun.


What color is the sky in your world? Heroin is illegal but I can go and score some right now within 30 min if I wanted. If you want a gun, whether they are banned 100% or not, YOU'RE GONNA GET A GUN...FACT.



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Married Jo wrote:
Kriss wrote:
Married Jo wrote:
Conneticut already has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, more gun control probably wouldn't have prevented this. I'm not a big gun guy, I own 5 guns and all 5 of them were given to me, I haven't shot any of them in probably 2 years, but damn, more laws aren't going to fix a goddamned thing, it's only going to make it worse. As someone has already touched on, instead of hand-wringing over guns and more laws, etc, etc, how about let's put more effort into the mental health problems some of these people have. Get it to where people notice these people earlier, and make it to where they can get help (whether voluntary or involuntary) easier instead of making it harder. Apparently this guy had asperger's syndrome and people that knew him said he was mentally unstable. I guarantee you SOMEONE around him knew he was off and was capable of doing something insane like this, yet they didn't bother telling anyone, including his family. And now not only are they dead, but a bunch of innocent children are as well.

Like I said, I'm not a gun nut, but about the only thing I'll agree with anyone on when it comes to more gun laws is banning large clips, but in reality, a lot of those things are already banned. A lot of assault rifles are already banned. People still find a way to get them, just like drugs, just like illegal liquor, just like anything that is "banned"...


I think it probably would. With strict gun control laws (i.e. 99.9% of the population aren't allowed to own a gun), this guy probably wouldn't have access to a gun.


What color is the sky in your world? Heroin is illegal but I can go and score some right now within 30 min if I wanted. If you want a gun, whether they are banned 100% or not, YOU'RE GONNA GET A GUN...FACT.


If I wanted a gun, I wouldn't know where to start, legally or illegally.

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BlueThunder wrote:
indikator wrote: I am living in West Germany? Dang.

What can I say but statistics don't lie.

To contribute to this thread I post a question that has been bugging me: If I move to the US, would I be safer with a gun? I am undecided.

If you were properly trained, I'd say yes.


No. Just no. I worked in a rather seedy club and as I am 5,7 and have some sort of muscular dystrophy I am absolutely not imposing at all and yet I never got into a dangerous situation and I did partake in breaking up some pretty gory fights (Me afterwards: "Is there blood on my shirt? No... good, let's carry on" *whistling* ). There is a reason why self defense classes are more about your mindset than your fighting skills. And even with a gun, what would happen if some Zimmerman character (excluding Bob Dylan) would be trigger happy? A standoff situation would not help at all.

As will probably be the norm in the future I will quote myself regarding the aspect of availability of guns for the common European on a killing spree

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The interesting thing about central European massacres is that perpetrator was very, very often a member of a sport-shooting association (here its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenverein) . I really can not remember the last time a perpetrator didn't have such a background, which covers at least ten years. For me it's remarkable and scary.



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Kriss wrote:
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Conneticut already has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, more gun control probably wouldn't have prevented this. I'm not a big gun guy, I own 5 guns and all 5 of them were given to me, I haven't shot any of them in probably 2 years, but damn, more laws aren't going to fix a goddamned thing, it's only going to make it worse. As someone has already touched on, instead of hand-wringing over guns and more laws, etc, etc, how about let's put more effort into the mental health problems some of these people have. Get it to where people notice these people earlier, and make it to where they can get help (whether voluntary or involuntary) easier instead of making it harder. Apparently this guy had asperger's syndrome and people that knew him said he was mentally unstable. I guarantee you SOMEONE around him knew he was off and was capable of doing something insane like this, yet they didn't bother telling anyone, including his family. And now not only are they dead, but a bunch of innocent children are as well.

Like I said, I'm not a gun nut, but about the only thing I'll agree with anyone on when it comes to more gun laws is banning large clips, but in reality, a lot of those things are already banned. A lot of assault rifles are already banned. People still find a way to get them, just like drugs, just like illegal liquor, just like anything that is "banned"...


I think it probably would. With strict gun control laws (i.e. 99.9% of the population aren't allowed to own a gun), this guy probably wouldn't have access to a gun.


What color is the sky in your world? Heroin is illegal but I can go and score some right now within 30 min if I wanted. If you want a gun, whether they are banned 100% or not, YOU'RE GONNA GET A GUN...FACT.


This is all I was saying earlier. I'm not pro-gun by a sight but banning guns isn't going to do a damn thing that's constructive.



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carlton st wrote: ...you can argue all day for your right to own guns...

Sadly, the only thing that people seem to care about is the "right" to own guns. Nobody seems to care about the responsibilities of owning guns.

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Kriss wrote: Road Warrior Yajuta wrote:
Pro Gun or Anti Gun Control people can agree that their "whose dick is bigger" pissing match means little compared to what happened to those families today.  In the end, if this fucker wanted to cause mass harm he would have.  Did you guys miss the story of 22 kids wounded at a Chinese school by a guy with a knife? 


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Wow you got me there.  Man if the guy in CT had shot but not killed any kids there would be no one calling for stricter gun control laws right?  Just so you know, I am not opposed to better gun control laws.  I also think you asinine 99.9% of the population should not be allowed to own them is ridiculous.  Seems to me a psych eval when someone applies should be required.  They fail, they don't get one.  The tricky part is all the ilegal unregulated guns already on the Street so stricter laws would really solve what?  If people want guns bad enough they can be had. 


I do want to ask, why does anyone need a fully automatic chopper anyway? 



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Kriss wrote: Married Jo wrote:
Conneticut already has some of the strictest gun laws on the books, more gun control probably wouldn't have prevented this. I'm not a big gun guy, I own 5 guns and all 5 of them were given to me, I haven't shot any of them in probably 2 years, but damn, more laws aren't going to fix a goddamned thing, it's only going to make it worse. As someone has already touched on, instead of hand-wringing over guns and more laws, etc, etc, how about let's put more effort into the mental health problems some of these people have. Get it to where people notice these people earlier, and make it to where they can get help (whether voluntary or involuntary) easier instead of making it harder. Apparently this guy had asperger's syndrome and people that knew him said he was mentally unstable. I guarantee you SOMEONE around him knew he was off and was capable of doing something insane like this, yet they didn't bother telling anyone, including his family. And now not only are they dead, but a bunch of innocent children are as well.

Like I said, I'm not a gun nut, but about the only thing I'll agree with anyone on when it comes to more gun laws is banning large clips, but in reality, a lot of those things are already banned. A lot of assault rifles are already banned. People still find a way to get them, just like drugs, just like illegal liquor, just like anything that is "banned"...


I think it probably would. With strict gun control laws (i.e. 99.9% of the population aren't allowed to own a gun), this guy probably wouldn't have access to a gun.
then you run afoul of that pesky 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. 

If people really want to see how the public feels about gun control, simply take the steps written down in the US Constitution on how to amend it, 2/3 house, 2/3 Senate vote, then 3/4 of the states vote in favor of it.


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