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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 02:39 am
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mike3775 wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.
Again, all they have to do is amend the Consitution. 

Ok, so how do we get our elected officials, legislature, and other governmental forces to take some action and overhaul the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and other archaeic laws/regulations that our government is built upon and have them more accurately reflect the issues in today's world? In many cases, these documents were written so vaguely that they can be interpreted to suit the needs of whoever reads them.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 02:44 am
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You send your babies to school and they never come home. Breaks my heart into a million pieces. I have no answers.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 03:14 am
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indikator wrote: BlueThunder wrote:
indikator wrote: I am living in West Germany? Dang.

What can I say but statistics don't lie.

To contribute to this thread I post a question that has been bugging me: If I move to the US, would I be safer with a gun? I am undecided.

If you were properly trained, I'd say yes.


No. Just no. I worked in a rather seedy club and as I am 5,7 and have some sort of muscular dystrophy I am absolutely not imposing at all and yet I never got into a dangerous situation and I did partake in breaking up some pretty gory fights (Me afterwards: "Is there blood on my shirt? No... good, let's carry on" *whistling* ). There is a reason why self defense classes are more about your mindset than your fighting skills. And even with a gun, what would happen if some Zimmerman character (excluding Bob Dylan) would be trigger happy? A standoff situation would not help at all.

As will probably be the norm in the future I will quote myself regarding the aspect of availability of guns for the common European on a killing spree

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The interesting thing about central European massacres is that perpetrator was very, very often a member of a sport-shooting association (here its [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenverein)]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schützenverein)[/url] . I really can not remember the last time a perpetrator didn't have such a background, which covers at least ten years. For me it's remarkable and scary.


Man, why do you ask a question and then tell someone they're wrong when they opine?

The operative word in my earlier statement was well trained. If some wannabe tough guy buys a gun and never had proper training, than I would say that a bad situation will more than likely be escalated. A truly trained person with a gun will have a simialr mindset to a martial artist. Chances are that they would be so confident with their ability that they wouldn't go looking for trouble because they had a piece.

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indikator wrote: I blame insomnia
Well, that's better than blaming HHH.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 03:48 am
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I thought you only hated aspiring rappers.

I should thank you btw, as you made me come to my realization.



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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 04:12 am
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Big Garea Fan wrote: mike3775 wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: When the forefathers wrote up the Bill of Rights, I don't think they could have imagined what "arms" has evolved into. "Arms" used to be a single shot rifle where you had to pour gun powder into the muzzle, use a rod to push the projectile into the muzzle, then you could aim and fire it. Nowadays, "arms" has evolved into assault rifles capable firing hundreds of rounds per second. You don't even have to aim the damn things, just point them in the general direction and start spraying.

I am all for people having the right to bear arms. They should be able to walk into their local Walmart and buy the best single shot muzzle loaded rifle that money can buy. As for the assault rifles, semi-automatic hand guns, etc., I don't think they should be categorized as "arms". They are fucking killing machines.
Again, all they have to do is amend the Consitution. 

Ok, so how do we get our elected officials, legislature, and other governmental forces to take some action and overhaul the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and other archaeic laws/regulations that our government is built upon and have them more accurately reflect the issues in today's world? In many cases, these documents were written so vaguely that they can be interpreted to suit the needs of whoever reads them.
You have to get them to actually listen to you for a change.  If enough people tell their elected officials(remember, they are supposed to work for the voters), then they will actually grow a set of balls and try to get it passed

Notice how it never happens though, regardless of how many mass deaths from shootings there are, because fucking with the 2nd Amendment in the US, is political suicide

EDIT:  Lets just say they do get the 2/3 votes needed in the US House and 2/3 votes needed in the Senate, do you really think there are 38(3/4) states that would vote yes to it?  I doubt it, in fact I bet Indiana, Texas, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Florida, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, Idaho, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Tennessee would vote No, which would effectively kill it as thats 14 states, so it be impossible for there to be 38 Yes state votes.  But one good thing about it happening though, Illinois I am pretty sure, would probably vote on it the day it hit the states for a vote, voting yes to it, gotta keep them criminals in Chicago unarmed

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Very, very tragic

I'm certain that no guns will be outlawed over this incident though. Idea that some single event (or even series of events) will create enough momentum to ban guns in America is some serious wishful thinking

Good luck

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For the record I'm not out to overturn the 2nd Amendment (though if I could start the Constitution from scratch I'd leave it out). But I see no reason why any citizen would have any reason to own a semi-automatic weapon, and I see no reason why even holding a reasonable dialogue on the subject of gun control and gun laws is seemingly off the table.

A lot of the pro-NRA types are the same people who have been advocating drug testing and background checks for food stamp and WIC applicants. Yet they refuse to entertain any thought whatsoever to anything that hinders the buying of a gun. Do I even need to explain how back-asswards that is?

Want to protect your family? A handgun or shotgun will do nicely. Want to hunt? Use a rifle. Your precious right to bear arms is not infringed upon and we make it harder (not impossible...just harder. Not being able to make it impossible is no reason not to try) to commit mass murder.

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I'm relieved I live in a country with a far lower chance of something like this happening, and I'm absolutely delighted my 5 year old niece will never have to deal with something like this.

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/china-stabbing-spree-hurts-22-schoolchildren-1

I presume it's already been mentioned, so I apologise if that's the case - just a quick rebuttal to anyone thinking of saying "well, knives are deadly weapons too".

Seriously, anyone who defends the right of people to own whatever deadly weapons they like after something like this, who puts some meaningless out of date law ahead of the lives of 5 year old children...well, I wish I believed in hell so I'd be confident they'd spend an eternity burning in it.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 12:54 pm
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Somebody made the point of how we have outlawed most drugs in this country and well we see how that's worked out. Mexico's gun control laws are way stricter than here and we also see how that's worked out.



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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 01:13 pm
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PeteF3 wrote: For the record I'm not out to overturn the 2nd Amendment (though if I could start the Constitution from scratch I'd leave it out). But I see no reason why any citizen would have any reason to own a semi-automatic weapon, and I see no reason why even holding a reasonable dialogue on the subject of gun control and gun laws is seemingly off the table.

A lot of the pro-NRA types are the same people who have been advocating drug testing and background checks for food stamp and WIC applicants. Yet they refuse to entertain any thought whatsoever to anything that hinders the buying of a gun. Do I even need to explain how back-asswards that is?

Want to protect your family? A handgun or shotgun will do nicely. Want to hunt? Use a rifle. Your precious right to bear arms is not infringed upon and we make it harder (not impossible...just harder. Not being able to make it impossible is no reason not to try) to commit mass murder.
I agree, there is no reason for semi automatic weapons to be in civilian hands, you can't hunt with them, and like you said a handgun or shotgun does the job of protection, and rifles work great for hunting.

The main problem is, the harder they make it to get a gun legally, the easier it becomes for law breakers to get those guns.  Every time I buy a gun, I am subject to background checks and a wait time to purchase, so they already make it hard to get a hand gun as it is, what more can they do?  Govt already moves slow as hell for most aspects of aid(took my mom 2 yrs for SSI, took my friend 4 months for food stamps, took another friend 3 yrs for SSI, took 2 months for unemployment), so if they take the time it takes for aid and apply it to guns, many will simply go and find illegal ways to get guns(like many already do now, look at Chicago)

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I wonder if this guy played those ultra violent shooter video games?

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Yeah. LOLZ. Im glad that reefer, meth and cocaine are all legal in Das Mudderland.



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