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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 01:10 pm
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You surely aren't Portugalsman.

And I think the moral/meme might be "The solution is the opposite of what America does"

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 01:22 pm
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Papa Voo wrote:
Here we go......two people on TV blaming this happened because they took God and prayer out of school.   I am not sure how I feel about that whole issue, but I just do not know if that would have impacted me that much when I was in high school.  So, they are basically saying if these two kids were forced to pray when they were in school this would never have occurred.


My only comment on that is I think most of them are not saying just praying would prevent this. I think they are saying the values expoused by traditional Judea-Christian culture are better than none. Their theory is that we as a society have drifted from that especially in the lack of caring, empathy and value placed on life that you see in a lot of society.

This whole situation is completely disturbing. The gun issue is one thing and I do not want to debate that but what is causing young white men to snap and do mass shootings/killings? We know of the violence epidemic in the minority communities that are driven by socio-economic factors. These are huge problems and need America's attention. But what is causing this? This is completely different. Guns were just as prevalent in the 40s, 50's etc. And more people knew how to use them. But this stuff didn't happen to my knowledge.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 01:27 pm
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It might have a lot to do with stress and social pressure. I have the feeling that the world has gotten more cut-throat and is there a better way to vent that anger than by cutting throats?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 01:46 pm
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You think I'm kidding and/or trolling, but I'm not, all these violent video games where you can just go and very realistically kill someone for fun can't be helping..



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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 01:54 pm
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But how is that different from the old cowboys and indians game?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 02:03 pm
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http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20351995/developing-shooting-at-hospital

I can't help but think that so many see this mass media coverage and crave attention for whatever issue moves them to such heinous actions. 

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indikator wrote:
But how is that different from the old cowboys and indians game?

Or Americans and Germans

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 02:12 pm
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Obviously he was mentally ill just like the movie theater one, the Giffords shooter etc.

BUT, we have come to treat these things as social disorders, autism, aspergers, etc. All of those things are very very conditions. BUT there are some that are sociopathic, pyschotic or just plan ass crazy. There is a sliver that are just dangerous people and cannot be treated. We have to figure out how to identify who lacks any empathy and is sociopathic vs. someone with autism, and "boilerplate" mental illness that can be treated.

That is strictly my opinion.

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I think it is a deterioration of the family unit. Far too many adults do not spend time with, nurture, instill a sense of morals, or teach kids how to care about others. Some think those principals go hand in hand with God and some don't. Whatever folks believe they need to teach the kids entrusted to them on what it means to be a good person. It is not guns, video games, or any other junk.  It is the fact too  many people have issues and do not have that foundation that prevents them from doing this kind of shit.  Outlaw guns if you want.  If someone wants a gun bad enough they can be found. 



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The guy was deranged clearly. If prayer had been allowed in schools, this still would have happened. The 2nd amendment clearly states that a well regulated militia has a right to bear arms. There is so much wrong and really no simple solutions. Banning all guns probably won't work either. As for the UK, read about what has been happening in China before becoming too confident that it can't happen there as well.!

I do think we need much tighter regulations and a reinstatement of the ban on assault weapons. It won't cure all ills.

The mother apparently had 5 weapons in her name. Something tells me she bought them for the monster that was her son. Regrettably, there is no legislation that wiill provide safety against moronic parents.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 02:24 pm
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In the America we live in today the last thing you'd want to do if get rid of your guns

There seems to be mental health issues with the shooter. Virginia Tech shooter was severely deranged. How much have we improved of the front of mental health inbetween these killings ? So little its barely even measurable. That's about same level of change that'll happen this time too on both gun & mental health in America. Everything will be token talk & folks saying the things they suppose to say since its a fresh incident but as soon as the news cycle ends we'll finds something else & forget about it

Debates & discussions are great but nothing is going to change. Americans & guns are a permanent marriage. It is single most important tool in rise of U.S.A. & critical in development & continued maintainence of this country as free world. All of 'this' (U.S.A.) is made possible due to guns in the hands of free people

Americans are armed to such obscene levels (both legal & illegal) that there is no way to disarm the population without all out war (but we could say that about our government too). You could close every gun shop today & the population would still be 'ready'. Guns would be the new cocaine for the cartels to make billions off

'War On Guns' would be as effective as 'War On Drugs' has been

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How about a common sense standard? Does a 44 year old really require 5 firearms? Banning will not cure all ills but maybe 1 or 2 of these horrific tragedies never happen. Yes, bad things will still happen but maybe a little less if you agree to use an ounce of common sense.

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silentkiller wrote:
Somebody made the point of how we have outlawed most drugs in this country and well we see how that's worked out. Mexico's gun control laws are way stricter than here and we also see how that's worked out.

Mexico's dirt poor. There will always be more murders in a poor environment than in one that's not. How about we compare the U.S. murder rates by gun to the other actual industrialized countries?

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Infamous wrote:
In the America we live in today the last thing you'd want to do if get rid of your guns

There seems to be mental health issues with the shooter. Virginia Tech shooter was severely deranged. How much have we improved of the front of mental health inbetween these killings ? So little its barely even measurable. That's about same level of change that'll happen this time too on both gun & mental health in America. Everything will be token talk & folks saying the things they suppose to say since its a fresh incident but as soon as the news cycle ends we'll finds something else & forget about it

Debates & discussions are great but nothing is going to change. Americans & guns are a permanent marriage. It is single most important tool in rise of U.S.A. & critical in development & continued maintainence of this country as free world. All of 'this' (U.S.A.) is made possible due to guns in the hands of free people

Americans are armed to such obscene levels (both legal & illegal) that there is no way to disarm the population without all out war (but we could say that about our government too). You could close every gun shop today & the population would still be 'ready'. Guns would be the new cocaine for the cartels to make billions off

'War On Guns' would be as effective as 'War On Drugs' has been


I agree that the solution isn't easy and that people who think politicians can easily solve this live in a dream world. We have to start someplace though. Shrugging our shoulders and saying "oh well" is unacceptable to me.

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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: yellowdog wrote: Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: Pro Gun or Anti Gun Control people can agree that their "whose dick is bigger" pissing match means little compared to what happened to those families today.  In the end, if this fucker wanted to cause mass harm he would have.  Did you guys miss the story of 22 kids wounded at a Chinese school by a guy with a knife? 

my dick is bigger, but that's beside the point
So that is where you got the name Yellow Dick Dog!!!!(who was it that used to call you that about drama at KM?)

It was Papa Voo and no, he hasn't seen my dick 



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