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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 04:59 pm
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give everyone a gun.  best shot wins



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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 05:05 pm
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Road Warrior Yajuta wrote: I think it is a deterioration of the family unit. Far too many adults do not spend time with, nurture, instill a sense of morals, or teach kids how to care about others. Some think those principals go hand in hand with God and some don't. Whatever folks believe they need to teach the kids entrusted to them on what it means to be a good person. It is not guns, video games, or any other junk.  It is the fact too  many people have issues and do not have that foundation that prevents them from doing this kind of shit.  Outlaw guns if you want.  If someone wants a gun bad enough they can be found. 
My family has what many call "stupid" things we do.  I still have the "dinner around the dinner table, and talk" every night, and every person says what they did and what their plans are for the next day.  Most of the kids friends grab what is for dinner, and head off to the bedrooms to eat or plop in front of the TV and eat. 

We still have family game night once or twice a week, and again, while playing board games or even video games, talk about things. 

Some of the kids may hate it, but I rather have those things because it enforces "family" and if you can't depend on family, who can you depend on if you have issues?

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mike3775 wrote:
Norway has very strict gun control laws, yet it did not stop Anders Behring Breivik from killing 69 kids at a youth camp last year. 


NO ONE IS FUCKING SAYING THAT THE NUMBER OF GUN DEATHS WOULD BE "ZERO." NO ONE. Not me and not the goddamned jpg.

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PeteF3 wrote:
mike3775 wrote:
Norway has very strict gun control laws, yet it did not stop Anders Behring Breivik from killing 69 kids at a youth camp last year. 


NO ONE IS FUCKING SAYING THAT THE NUMBER OF GUN DEATHS WOULD BE "ZERO." NO ONE. Not me and not the goddamned jpg.


Agree - it might stop a couple though. That can never be proven but commonsense tells me that would be the case.

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 05:24 pm
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And the Brady Bill Campaign, where the poster comes from, was in the late '80s. Playing "gotcha" with West Germany doesn't really change the point. Want to make a bet on if those numbers have appreciably changed in the ensuing 20 years?

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 Posted: Sat Dec 15th, 2012 05:29 pm
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Some new information:

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20121215_ap_connofficialsprincipaldiedlungingatgunman.html

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Has any pro-gun person stated how many additional million dollars in funding teachers/schools should receive in order to increase security?

With todays era of rationalization and underfunding I can't really see how more guns in schools can be helpful. In fact, I even doubt that even added security personal could eliminate these shootings.

So this guy had a bullet proof vest and assault weapons.

Tell me how this scenario is wrong:
The first adult in the class room will ask the assailant "Can I help you" and will be shot dead. A second adult would try to get to his or her gun and be shot dead. Then the third person would try to shoot the assailant and is likely to either miss him or hit the vest and then be shot, don't forget that assault weapons can be really helpful to kill many people in a very short time so maybe the third person will not even be able to use a gun once. After that a class will be slaughtered.

Same thing with Aurora. It is stupid to say that you could eliminate every possible murder that way, the aggressor always has a considerable advantage with the element of surprise.

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Focus on the Three G's (Guns, God and Gays).....and the truth and justice of capitalism is what this country was founded on.  

Schools and students are not corporations and produce no income so what real impact do deaths like these this have on our economic numbers?




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PeteF3 wrote:

Posted again to save people the trouble of going back and searching for it. Also posted by yellowdog, not indikator.

Those are all industralized, First World countries like the United States. Some of them not even "white." I'm not moving the goalposts here.


Not to pick a fight by drawing a ludicrous distinction, but the CT Coroner has said that every death yesterday came from the rifle the looney was carrying, none were from a handgun.  He was carrying a .223 Bushmaster, which is basically a civilian M-16, only semi-automatic. 

As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  



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thunderbolt wrote: ...As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  

Good point. If laws were enacted now, that should stop the production of new weapons / ammo. I wonder if a gun buyback program would be effective to coerce owners into surrendering the weapons / ammo already in their possession?

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Big Garea Fan wrote:
thunderbolt wrote: ...As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  

Good point. If laws were enacted now, that should stop the production of new weapons / ammo. I wonder if a gun buyback program would be effective to coerce owners into surrendering the weapons / ammo already in their possession?


Do you think the gang bangers would care?

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Big Garea Fan wrote: thunderbolt wrote: ...As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  

Good point. If laws were enacted now, that should stop the production of new weapons / ammo. I wonder if a gun buyback program would be effective to coerce owners into surrendering the weapons / ammo already in their possession?
All those programs with gift cards always gets hundreds of guns turned in, but I bet none came from the non law abiding crowd.

The only way I would willingly give up what I already own and bought, is if the Govt gave me back every cent, plus tax that I paid for what I have.

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Quattro wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote:
thunderbolt wrote: ...As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  

Good point. If laws were enacted now, that should stop the production of new weapons / ammo. I wonder if a gun buyback program would be effective to coerce owners into surrendering the weapons / ammo already in their possession?


Do you think the gang bangers would care?

Washington DC collected a ton of weapons during the gun buyback program that they had a couple years ago. I remember that it was held around the holidays and that it was no questions asked. Walk in, drop off gun, get a gift card - I think it was for Best Buy. They had some TV coverage and the folks dropping off the guns all looked kinda sketchy to me.

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mike3775 wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: thunderbolt wrote: ...As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  

Good point. If laws were enacted now, that should stop the production of new weapons / ammo. I wonder if a gun buyback program would be effective to coerce owners into surrendering the weapons / ammo already in their possession?
All those programs with gift cards always gets hundreds of guns turned in, but I bet none came from the non law abiding crowd.

The only way I would willingly give up what I already own and bought, is if the Govt gave me back every cent, plus tax that I paid for what I have.

That's reasonable. I'd even propose that you should make a small profit.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: mike3775 wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: thunderbolt wrote: ...As has been pointed out, there are no laws which could be enacted now which would do a thing about the hundreds of millions of weapons and hundreds of millions of rounds of ammunition already in private ownership.  

Good point. If laws were enacted now, that should stop the production of new weapons / ammo. I wonder if a gun buyback program would be effective to coerce owners into surrendering the weapons / ammo already in their possession?
All those programs with gift cards always gets hundreds of guns turned in, but I bet none came from the non law abiding crowd.

The only way I would willingly give up what I already own and bought, is if the Govt gave me back every cent, plus tax that I paid for what I have.

That's reasonable. I'd even propose that you should make a small profit.

But those buyback programs are never worth it.  Usually its like $100, most guns cost more than that.

I remember one year Chicago did it, and I wondered how many of the guns turned in were stolen, since it was no questions asked, walk in, hand the gun, get the card and leave.

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