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Benjamin Bratt (Rey Curtis) and Jerry Orbach (Lennie Briscoe) made Law and Order much more entertaining to watch.

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nyhack56 wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Norm Buntz on Hill Street Blues
Good one. Didn't Dennis Franz play another character originally that was a corrupt cop and killed himself?


Yup, Sal Benedetto.

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Mysterious wrote: Benjamin Bratt (Rey Curtis) and Jerry Orbach (Lennie Briscoe) made Law and Order much more entertaining to watch.
THIS! They were the best Law and Order detective combo.

I think that the best cast move for Law and Order was when they replaced Ben Stone (Michael Moriarty) with Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston). Moriarty just seemed too whiny as a prosecutor.

The show really lost something when Adam Schiff (Steven Hill) was replaced with Nora Lewin (Dianne Wiest). The back and forth banter (often times arguing) between Schiff and McCoy really added to the ongoing storylines during the series.

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Gus in Breaking Bad was the first to come into mind for me.

Ramsey Bolton in Game of Thrones,even more evil then Goffrey.



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Big Garea Fan wrote: Mysterious wrote: Benjamin Bratt (Rey Curtis) and Jerry Orbach (Lennie Briscoe) made Law and Order much more entertaining to watch.
THIS! They were the best Law and Order detective combo.

I think that the best cast move for Law and Order was when they replaced Ben Stone (Michael Moriarty) with Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston). Moriarty just seemed too whiny as a prosecutor.

The show really lost something when Adam Schiff (Steven Hill) was replaced with Nora Lewin (Dianne Wiest). The back and forth banter (often times arguing) between Schiff and McCoy really added to the ongoing storylines during the series.

Since you mention Steven Hill, I liked Mission Impossible better when he was replaced by Peter Graves.
Plus Serena Sotherlyn over Abbie Carmichael

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Regarding what others have said:
M*A*S*H -- Preferred Colonel Blake, Frank Burns, and Trapper.  The show was much better before it got all SJW.
Cheers -- The Shelley Long years were so much better than the Kirstie Alley seasons.  After Alley came on board, so many of the characters became cardboard caricatures.  Sam in particular went from being a flawed, adult man, dealing with alcoholism, fleeting fame, and the pressures of running a business into a dim-witted horndog. 
Barney Miller -- Dietrich was awesome and, yeah, probably made the show better, but it's so relative when you consider how great it already was.  For my money, Yamada was just as good. 
 
I'd like to bring up MST3K.  I haven't watched any of the reboot, so I'm not going to comment, but as for the original Comedy Central show:
Tom Servo --  No contest that Kevin Murphy was Tom Servo.  Josh Einstein simply didn't own the character long enough to make a mark. 
Crow -- Trace Beaulieu all over Bill Corbett.  Trace's Crow was a very interesting character, where Bill went for the angry, spastic character.  Totally lazy comedy. 
Host -- I have to say I enjoyed Mike's deadpan, dry wit just a touch better than Joel's delivery, but it's basically a coin toss. 



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"Homeland" took a step up when Peter Quinn came aboard.

Chloe O'Brien was meant as a short term character on "24", but got over so big that she became a regular character. She was awesome as Jack Bauer's inside backup and it made the show better.

Gregory Sierra decided to leave "Miami Vice" and his role as Lt. Lou Rodriguez early on in the first season after finding he didn't like living in Miami, a non negotiable point for being on the show due to all the location shooting. His departure enabled Edward James Olmos to come aboard as Lt. Martin Castillo which put the show in another orbit.

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Benlen wrote:...Plus Serena Sotherlyn over Abbie Carmichael
No way! Angie Harmon was great in her role as Abbie Carmichael. Plus her bickering with Jack McCoy and Adam Schiff was a good plot device to present all of the possible angles / opinions that the audience could have about the case. It really helped to turn a lot of the clear-cut black-and-white cases into various shades of gray.

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Benlen wrote:...Plus Serena Sotherlyn over Abbie Carmichael
No way! Angie Harmon was great in her role as Abbie Carmichael. Plus her bickering with Jack McCoy and Adam Schiff was a good plot device to present all of the possible angles / opinions that the audience could have about the case. It really helped to turn a lot of the clear-cut black-and-white cases into various shades of gray.
 

Angie Harmon has a raspy man's voice and Serena Sotherlyn is way hotter.

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I call Frank Burns vs. Charles Emerson Winchester a draw. The Burns years were funny, but Frank was a one note character. There was no road left to take with him and it was time for a change. Charles fit in well, especially after the writers stopped overtly trying to make him a villain. MASH was on its way to not being so zany even before Henry and Trapper departed. It couldn't have sustained that pace and the resulting evolution of the show made it resemble the movie in more ways than I think some fans admit.

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Jimmy Smits was mentioned earlier, but I think he improved "NYPD Blue" when he came aboard to replace David Caruso.

Might not count, but Christopher Lloyd as "Reverend Jim Ignatowski" on TAXI was a fun addition. He was a recurring cast member originally, but became a regular by the second season.

Fonzie had a similar deal on "Happy Days". I think in these last two cases, it was just a background character coming to the forefront. So... technicalities? Bubbles from "Trailer Park Boys" also counts in this group.

Aunt Ester didn't appear on "Sanford & Son" until the second season. She was a great foil for Fred and became a distinctive character on the show.

I'm torn on whether or not to mention LOST, since I'm still angry about it. But the characters of Desmond and Benjamin Linus were great additions to what became the core group.

Ed Helms as "Andy Bernard" helped out the redundancy of "The Office" when he joined in the third season. Same for Rashida Jones as "Karen"... but she could have no lines and still improve a show, IMO.

Rob Lowe/Chris Traeger and Adam Scott/Ben Wyatt joining "Parks & Recreation" were both good pick-ups. "Literally".



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Jonathan Frid as Barnabas Collins in Dark Shadows. Completely turned the show around for the better.



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WongLee wrote: Jonathan Frid as Barnabas Collins in Dark Shadows. Completely turned the show around for the better.

He wasn't the star from the beginning?

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Benlen wrote: Big Garea Fan wrote: Mysterious wrote: Benjamin Bratt (Rey Curtis) and Jerry Orbach (Lennie Briscoe) made Law and Order much more entertaining to watch.
THIS! They were the best Law and Order detective combo.

I think that the best cast move for Law and Order was when they replaced Ben Stone (Michael Moriarty) with Jack McCoy (Sam Waterston). Moriarty just seemed too whiny as a prosecutor.

The show really lost something when Adam Schiff (Steven Hill) was replaced with Nora Lewin (Dianne Wiest). The back and forth banter (often times arguing) between Schiff and McCoy really added to the ongoing storylines during the series.

Since you mention Steven Hill, I liked Mission Impossible better when he was replaced by Peter Graves....

Sadly, Steven Hill passed away today at the age of 94.

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