WowBB Forums Home 
Home Search search Menu menu Not logged in - Login | Register
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > General Discussion > Who and or What Cleaned Up New York?

 Moderated by: Ron, brodiescomics, beejmi
New Topic Reply Printer Friendly
Who and or What Cleaned Up New York?  Rate Topic 
AuthorPost
 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 09:33 pm
  PM Quote Reply
1st Post
Qaenos

 

Joined: Tue Jan 8th, 2008
Location: Massachusetts USA
Posts: 1113
Status: 
Offline
I remember as a kid growing up in Toronto during the 1980s, New York had a bad reputation for crime.  This set of photos reminded me of that:

http://all-that-is-interesting.com/1980s-new-york?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fbpdny1980s

Nowadays, New York enjoys a good reputation.  I never hear about anyone complaining about crime in New York.  Not that it doesn't happen, but when people talk about crime-ridden cities, places like Chicago get top billing.  I've visited New York several times in the past 15 years or so, and from what I can see, it seems fine.

I'm wondering:

- Is is true that New York used to be bad but now it's ok?
- If so, why the change?  Who and or what was responsible for the turn around?

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 10:05 pm
  PM Quote Reply
2nd Post
WongLee
Hall Of Famer


Joined: Fri Oct 19th, 2007
Location: Bay Shore, New York
Posts: 7049
Status: 
Offline
New York was truly a shithole in the 70's. High crime in almost any part of Manhattan. The outer boroughs were the feeders for Manhattan. There were a lot of "employment opportunities" for a street wise kid who wanted to make a few bucks and have some party favors of his own. Times Square was a dangerous place. Central Park was a dangerous place. Harlem was a dangerous place. But New York was just like the rest of the country. Crime was going up everywhere.

Rudy Guiliani was not the reason crime went down in NYC. I'll say it again. Rudy Guiliani was not the reason crime went down in NYC. Gun and property time had taken sharp drops beginning four years before Rudy took office. The city was becoming safer and it became noticeable all over town. Things you could have gotten away with easily before were not so easy to get away with by the end years of Dinkins term. Crime dropping in New York in the early 90's coincided with crime dropping across the United States. Crack was no longer king. There was a better economy. Rudy's Compustat bullshit would rule a suicide a guy who was shot three times in the head. That's no joke. The city with the biggest crime reduction in the 90's was San Francisco.

So in my opinion, the two biggest reasons were that there was no longer a crack epidemic, and that the economy was excellent. Not Rudy Guiliani, who turned the NYPD into a paramilitary organization instead of the cops being part of the neighborhood. Rudy also played with statistics to his advantage with the aforementioned examples of a nationwide crime drop and Rudy taking full credit for this being just a New York thing.

I will say, I feel especially privileged to have grown up in the City during the late 70's and early 80's. I learned a lot and I saw a lot and it made me who I am today for better or worse.



____________________
— The Iron Sheik (@the_ironsheik) October 8, 2009
hello @Paula_Deen you have midget pig dick and dead dog tits I hope I see you I break your fucking fat neck bitch
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 10:53 pm
  PM Quote Reply
3rd Post
srossi

 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: New York USA
Posts: 49472
Status: 
Offline
In addition to what Wong said, gentrification and older generations of worthless people who died off and were replaced by corporate executives obviously played a large part. Unless you've been smart enough to keep your rent-controlled apartments through the decades, you can't possibly afford ANY area of NYC anymore. Certainly not Manhattan or 95% of Brooklyn or Queens. Not the north Bronx where I moved to and that's slowly spreading south (the worst ghettos of the south Bronx are becoming an investment opportunity and will be very valuable in 15 years). So it's become quite the commute to gang-bang in NYC these days.

Harlem has become a great brunch area for white millennials who like to freak out their grandparents still living in Kansas by telling them that they're brunching in Harlem. The truth is, no one on this board could afford to rent a closet in Harlem now. The worst thing that will happen to you in Harlem is that an old woman will yell at you if you stop to admire the brownstones because she will assume you're a developer looking to buy up more of the land (true story, that happened to me).

You take the good with the bad. The early '80s when I was really young were really bad in many places, but still exaggerated. You mostly had to be looking for trouble at night in the wrong neighborhood to get shot, but much like Chicago now the violence would occasionally spread and you could find yourself in trouble if you were taking the train through the wrong area to get home. Subway violence is probably the #1 thing that is way down for the average person. The media talks about an "epidemic" of subway slashings when 5 people get cut, but in 1982 there would be nightly shoot-outs on the 6 train. Now the media needs to find things to complain about , like the scourge of manspreading.

But I miss the graffiti and the sex shops and the character that the city used to have. I miss the stereotypical "fugettaboutit" attitude that people on this board think of when they think of NYC, which used to be somewhat real but is completely gone now. I miss the tranny hookers under Queensboro Plaza that somehow survived until the early 2000s as the high rises went up around them. Those were some resilient fucking tranny hookers. They made us all proud.

I mostly miss the all the small businesses that were iconic in certain neighborhoods that have been replaced by Starbucks. But that's happened everywhere. I've been all over the world and whether you're in NYC or London or Paris or Amman you barely can tell the difference on certain streets. Rome is the only city I've been to that still has a distinctive look, and what do those assholes do? Put a Sephora in a 600 year old building (also a true story).

I definitely wish I could remember the '70s but sadly I was too young.  We still had a lot of fun in the '80s though in "old NYC", and today even anything pre-9/11 strikes me as the "good old days" when things were just completely different. 

Last edited on Sat Dec 10th, 2016 10:55 pm by srossi



____________________
This thread was great before AA ruined it.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sat Dec 10th, 2016 11:56 pm
  PM Quote Reply
4th Post
TerryWWWF



Joined: Mon Nov 26th, 2007
Location:  
Posts: 4322
Status: 
Offline
I'll never forgive Rudy for chasing the hookers off Sixth Avenue in the upper 50s. Never.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2016 12:24 am
  PM Quote Reply
5th Post
WongLee
Hall Of Famer


Joined: Fri Oct 19th, 2007
Location: Bay Shore, New York
Posts: 7049
Status: 
Offline
Backing up what Rossi said about Harlem. About five years ago I was invited to this party "uptown" by this girl I used to bang. This girl was a monster in the sack and I had nothing to do that day so I told her to text me the address. I look it up and see it's on 114th Street and Frederick Douglass Boulevard (aka 8th Avenue). Now as any self respecting white man knows, whether it's today or back in the 70's, you do not go to places which have the names of great civil rights leaders, abolitionists, or guys shot in the back by cops, as part of the address. So I call up girly (who is black btw) and say I ain't coming. She laughs and tells me, and of course I'm paraphrasing, "just show up asshole".

All right, fuck it, I know there's going to be drugs and pussy there and those are two of my favorite things outside of arguing who Pedro Morales greatest opponent was in Lewiston, ME. I take the LIRR to Penn Station from my safe Long Island home and start drinking my way uptown. Finally it's party time so I hop a cab up into deepest, darkest Harlem. I was blown away when we got there. I mean, not literally like I would have been if this trip had been taken in 1978, but figuratively. This neighborhood was tight. It was beautiful with trees and playgrounds and every building seemed new and freshly renovated. I didn't even go right up to the party. I walked around to check out the block and I wasn't disappointed. They were more afraid of the 6'3" 280lb. shaved head, heavily tatted white man walking through their calm, middle class block then I was of them. The apartment the party was held in was bigger than my house and absolutely beautiful. Plus the pussy and drugs didn't disappoint.

In some ways this is sad. Like Rossi touched on the gentrification was never more prominent. Harlem had been the home for middle class and lower middle class black families for 100 years. Like every other neighborhood in NYC, the old neighborhood element has ceased to exist. No more middle class or even lower middle class. As much as a shithole that Harlem was 40 years ago, I'll bet you could have found 200 black families on that block that had been there since 1900.

It's not my city anymore and hasn't been for a long time. To me the final blow was seeing the "renovated" Madison Square Garden which cut the very heart and soul out of the building. Why? Corporate gains.



____________________
— The Iron Sheik (@the_ironsheik) October 8, 2009
hello @Paula_Deen you have midget pig dick and dead dog tits I hope I see you I break your fucking fat neck bitch
Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2016 01:02 am
  PM Quote Reply
6th Post
srossi

 

Joined: Sun Oct 14th, 2007
Location: New York USA
Posts: 49472
Status: 
Offline
Jesus Christ, the new MSG is awful. Just AWFUL. And those Chase Bridges block views everywhere. There's no such thing as "400 seats anymore", which is tragic in and of itself.  I want them to demolish that monstrosity so badly and rebuild Penn Station. They can make another new horrible MSG anywhere. There's nothing historic about it anywhere. There's been 4 of them and the name is silly since it's nowhere near Madison Square anymore.

Last edited on Sun Dec 11th, 2016 01:03 am by srossi



____________________
This thread was great before AA ruined it.
Back To Top PM Quote Reply

 Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2016 06:45 am
  PM Quote Reply
7th Post
Infamous
必 勝


Joined: Mon Oct 25th, 2010
Location: Slums Of Shaolin
Posts: 2504
Status: 
Offline
I do think once crack peaked off & abuse of prescription drugs took hold it helped on the street level but I'm not sure if the crack epidemic explains away the 1970's

Aesthetically NYC looks safer today than it did in the 70's & 80's. Google NYC trains 1970's or 1980's & look at some of those images. Now imagine commuting like that on a daily basis. Fucking terrible. If things look safer it feels safer so cleaning up NYC over time helped peoples psyche. I assumed all the neigborhoods that I had considered no go zones would only get worse. Harlem was #1 on my mental list. I thought over time that was the most dramatic turn around. If they could save Harlem then the rest of the city had hope & would fall in line

NYC, particularly Manhattan, has lost some of its uniqueness in its makeover though. I'll take the sleazy Times Square of old over the soulless inauthentic corporate monstrosity of today

Back in October I took a tour of the Fulton Fish Market & while Hunts Point is still a dump it was shockingly less so from what I remember

Back To Top PM Quote Reply  

 Posted: Sun Dec 11th, 2016 08:38 am
  PM Quote Reply
8th Post
Mysterious



Joined: Mon Aug 22nd, 2011
Location:  
Posts: 1650
Status: 
Offline
srossi wrote: Jesus Christ, the new MSG is awful. Just AWFUL. And those Chase Bridges block views everywhere. There's no such thing as "400 seats anymore", which is tragic in and of itself.  I want them to demolish that monstrosity so badly and rebuild Penn Station. They can make another new horrible MSG anywhere. There's nothing historic about it anywhere. There's been 4 of them and the name is silly since it's nowhere near Madison Square anymore. Give James Dolan a billion dollars cause that's how much the recent renovations cost.

Back To Top PM Quote Reply

Current time is 02:29 am  
WowBB Forums > Sports And Wrestling > General Discussion > Who and or What Cleaned Up New York? Top




UltraBB 1.172 Copyright © 2007-2013 Data 1 Systems