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The big ones of the rock era would have to be the emergence of Elvis in 1955, the Beatles/British invasion of 1964, the punk movement of 1977, and the grunge/alternative upheaval of 1991.  Since then, has there really been a "moment" where there was an across-the-board change in popular music?  In my opinion, no.  So my question is, will there be another sea change in pop/rock music at any point in the future or has the genre exhausted all of its permutations?  Has the lack of a major movement in music been caused by the crippling of major labels and local radio by electronic media?  Can that be overcome?  Or do you completely disagree with me; are you able to point to something profound that happened between the early '90s and today? 



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KGB wrote: Or do you completely disagree with me; are you able to point to something profound that happened between the early '90s and today? 
The big changes since then have been the collaborations with hip hop and EDM.  That's where everything with pop headed after the early '90s.  We just don't like it.



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Sure, but it's just been more gradual than the big bangs that happened previously.



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The next big thing after grunge was electronic music, mostly the different genres of house music. If you weren't into it, it would have mostly passed you by, because it was never going to trouble the charts or be on the radio. There's weren't any songs, and you couldn't take a four minute chunk of it and play it on the radio.

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In retrospect, I think the rise of "American Idol", circa 2002, was an event of some significance. It placed the focus and popularity on shitty pop music and warbling singers. Nobody wanted to "rock", they just wanted to sing. Err, excuse me: "siiiiIIIIiiiinnnngggggg---ah!"



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Erick Von Erich wrote: In retrospect, I think the rise of "American Idol", circa 2002, was an event of some significance. It placed the focus and popularity on shitty pop music and warbling singers. Nobody wanted to "rock", they just wanted to sing. Err, excuse me: "siiiiIIIIiiiinnnngggggg---ah!"
That's probably a good point.  I was looking for a moment when a stale music scene had new life injected into it, but in this case nearly the opposite happened. 



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KGB wrote: The big ones of the rock era would have to be the emergence of Elvis in 1955, the Beatles/British invasion of 1964, the punk movement of 1977, and the grunge/alternative upheaval of 1991.  Since then, has there really been a "moment" where there was an across-the-board change in popular music?
Michael Jackson. Total across-the-board game changer in pop music

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No idea. Since Grunge and Boy/Girl Bands there's been smaller booms in Ambient/Techno, Emo, and whatever other label you want to throw around.

Probably a sign of just getting older/indifference or whatever but really nothing new in music really gets my attention. Not even in my 40's and already I've become the "music was better in my days" guy.



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For some reason we all just assumed that rock would be the preeminent form of music forever, but it's suffering the same fate as classical, jazz, and blues.  Sure it still exists and always will, and elements of it all were incorporated into future genres, but it's time in the mainstream is over.  When the current wave of rock guys from the '60s, '70s, and '80s die, and we're down to a relatively few at this point who have even decent drawing power, then rock will be almost exclusively a club genre again.  I personally don't care anymore.  I'm fine with paying $20 to see a new rock band I like at a club with a capacity of 500 rather than paying $200 and dealing with all the chaos of an arena show.  For that matter, I can still go to a blues or jazz club and pay a $10 cover in an even smaller room to see that.  And you'll always be able to do that, so who cares if it's not mainstream anymore?     

And this all effects pop of course because pop is really just the most popular thing going at the time, by definition.  Someone like Michael Jackson drew heavily from rock when that was hot and as time goes by all the little genre distinctions that we cared about in the '80s have disappeared and it's all tossed onto the same radio stations and all that music is played by the same cover bands.  I just saw an '80s cover band play Michael Jackson followed by AC/DC and it barely seemed strange anymore even to me.  To the 20-year olds in attendance, it's the same shit.  Now everything in pop draws from hip hop and electronica and it will all sound the same in another 20 years.   

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There will not be another musical revolution; indeed there has not been one in musical terms since rap.

The reason being that there is no need. How do people now express themselves creatively? In 1980 video cameras were rare and expensive technology, getting a recording studio was much cheaper. Now you can knock up a youtube video in seconds and blogs do not take much longer. So if you want to rage against the machine you don't need to cut a visceral 45.



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