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That's some good shit.  If you're not already on Songkick and Setlist.fm, you should really join.  It would be interesting to see a full list of all the shows you've attended, and you can probably document some information missing from their records.



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Good stuff so far. Now on to bikers and bouncers!


Q22) You mentioned in another thread that a 6'7" biker named Grizzly Steve who looked like John the Baptist was your mentor and the guy who got you into the security business. Aside from his appearance, what else can you tell us about Grizzly Steve? What's he up to these days? I have to ask - with that size/look, did he ever consider getting into pro wrestling?


Q23) Did you ever prospect for the Hells Angels?  What’s that process like? How does one become a HA?


Q24) You mentioned that some of the Hells Angels were good dudes. Do you have any specific examples of nice things the guys did that might surprise some of us ? Are we talking about getting a cat out of a tree for a little girl-type nice?


Q25) Being from Canada, there was an infamous Hell Angels chapter in Quebec that apparently had to get shut down by the other Hells Angels in 1985 because they were too out of control. Was there a noticeable difference in the various HA clubs? Was the New York club much different from the Oakland Club, for example?


Q26) What about other biker gangs? Had any experience with them? How do they compare to Hell's Angels?


Q27) Any experience dealing with other non-biker gangs? What about the Bloods / Crips? I know they are mostly based in LA, but there are chapters elsewhere.


Q28) Any more crazy Hells Angel's stories you'd like to share?


Q29) Did you ever have any problems with the police as a result of stuff you did bouncing/security? Did the police know you had a connection to the Hell's Angels? Was that an issue?


Q30) Ok, I'm out on the town.   Some bigger dude and I get into an argument. He's about 4 inches taller than me, and outweighs me by 50 pounds. I realize that we're past the point of no return and we're going to fight - I can't talk my way out of it or call for help. How do I handle myself? What do I do?  At what height / weight difference would you say is the point where I should be trying to run away as opposed to sticking my ground?  I don't have any fighting experience or training and we'll assume my opponent doesn't either (which I know is a very dangerous thing to do).

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Q22) You mentioned in another thread that a 6'7" biker named Grizzly Steve who looked like John the Baptist was your mentor and the guy who got you into the security business. Aside from his appearance, what else can you tell us about Grizzly Steve? What's he up to these days? I have to ask - with that size/look, did he ever consider getting into pro wrestling?

Steve was ad hoc leader of all Angel doings in my home borough of Queens. He lived in a house in Flushing and made his living dealing crank (crystal meth). Like many kingpins he kept a low profile near his home and never kept any weight there or had tweekers running in and out at 3 AM. He had a drop dead gorgeous blond girlfriend by the name of Karen who was as sweet a person as sweet could be. They were almost like Ozzie and Harriet in their home life.

The following is going to sound like I've seen too many bad Scarface ripoff movies but this is how I saw and heard it go down. Now bikers always had full control of the crank trade virtually everywhere in the country since the days of Thomas Jefferson. However, around 1984, organized crime elements of Columbian extraction tried to grab it from the Angels. Karen was supposedly kidnapped and dismembered with a chainsaw. The Angels responded violently. Absolutely no one in the general population ever heard about this. Steve lost all sense of reality when Karen was killed and took to indulging in his own product 24/7. He went down to under 200lbs. It was around this time I cut all ties with these guys and moved on to other things.

Q23) Did you ever prospect for the Hells Angels? What’s that process like? How does one become a HA?

Nope. I didn't ride a motorcycle and didn't want to. I was a muscle car kind of guy. They were plentiful and cheap and easy to work on in the late 70's. Bikes held no allure to me. Even if I did ride I don't think I would have ever been asked. Associates are more valuable than prospects to them anyway. I'm not sure what the process was like for a prospect because I didn't know any. Every biker I was in the acquaintance of was a full blown patch wearer. A lot of these guys became Hells Angels because they were in local clubs that were swallowed up by the Angels and the ones that made the grade got their patch.

Q24) You mentioned that some of the Hells Angels were good dudes. Do you have any specific examples of nice things the guys did that might surprise some of us ? Are we talking about getting a cat out of a tree for a little girl-type nice?

Hahaha...yeah, good dudes by the fact that they didn't ass-rape me for practice. The VAST majority of the ones I knew were sociopathic with a little psychopathic thrown in for good measure. Every last one had poly-addictions and supported themselves through criminal endeavors of varying degrees.

Q25) Being from Canada, there was an infamous Hell Angels chapter in Quebec that apparently had to get shut down by the other Hells Angels in 1985 because they were too out of control. Was there a noticeable difference in the various HA clubs? Was the New York club much different from the Oakland Club, for example?

Here's something I always found interesting about the club hierarchy. Everyone and their grandmother know who Sonny Barger and Chuckie Zito are. Many people think that Sonny is the supreme leader of the Angels. Completely not true. Each chapter is an entity unto itself. When I was hanging around the club, Sandy Alexander was the New York prez. Sonny would have no say whatsoever in any policy that Sandy put down. Of course this worked vice versa too. I never met any Angels from outside New York because I didn't go to the functions.

Q26) What about other biker gangs? Had any experience with them? How do they compare to Hell's Angels?

Sure, the Pagans. The Pagans as most know are the sworn enemies of the Hells Angels. They were run by a guy named Conan who could have stepped on stage at Mr. Olympia and placed in the money. The difference was, Conan would rip your throat out with his teeth. In an earlier question, I painted a picture of the vast majority of Angels being scum of the earth. Well, the Pagans were worse. Mostly out of Long Island most of these guys were functionally retarded and full blown psychotic. Conan was an exception as he was very bright and charismatic. He was actually a pleasure to talk to. But danger oozed from the guy. When the cops finally got Conan the club was finished for about 15 years. I hear they are kind of making a comeback these days.

One night I walked into CBGB's and a Pagan who was standing near the door leveled a sawed off right at my face. Of course I froze. Unlike Dan Chernau, I didn't wrestle the shotgun from the guys hand and beat him to death with it. I froze. He stops, looks over the the stub, and says, "sorry man, I thought you were someone else" Of course I said "no problem bro" and promptly turned around and hauled ass out of there.

Q27) Any experience dealing with other non-biker gangs? What about the Bloods / Crips? I know they are mostly based in LA, but there are chapters elsewhere.

This is going to sound like some shit straight out of The Wanderers. I was 14 and a freshman in high school. Our neighborhood in Queens (Astoria) was made up strictly of dagos, micks, and hebes. A few black families and a few hispanic families to complete the mix. Everyone got along just fine. The main drag was Ditmars Boulevard. Everyone from your grandparents to you and your school chums would hang on or near what we all called "The Avenue". One fine spring night, five guys of the darker persuasion are seen walking down Ditmars with gang colors on. Their jackets said "Seven Immortals". Skeevy looking junkie types. Well over a short period of time, more and more of them started to show up and make themselves known. They told one of our notorious Astoria tough guys Herbie that they wanted to open a chapter in our neighborhood and there wasn't shit anyone could do about it. They said they were going to show up in force on Ditmars at a certain time and day. Herbie mobilized everybody and I do mean everybody young and old as a show of force. Sure to their work about thirty Immortals showed. However, there were at least a hundred of us. Not a word was said or a punch was thrown. They turned tail and went back to the Bronx never to be seen again.

Q28) Any more crazy Hells Angel's stories you'd like to share?

This is my favorite story. I apologize if I put it on this forum and am repeating myself but this one is great.

In 1980, Grizzly Steve decides to have a Christmas party at his house in Flushing. Anyone who was anyone was there. Sandy the prez came. Pro boxer and Hells Angel John LoFranco. Last but not least, their top assassin and ad hoc leader of the Filthy Few Wild Bill Mederios. I alwyas got along great with Sandy and Bill had zero problems with me which is why I live to type this. I brought my cousin with me to the party. He wasn't a tough kid in any way shape or form but he was a typical Queens smart ass.

So we're circulating and having a great time. A little crank, a little beer, a little Valium. Nice head rush going on. My cuz and I are standing by the punchbowl and Bill comes meandering over. He actually wished my cousin Steve and I a Merry Christmas lol. Bill takes a look at the punchbowl and said "Hey Mark, have some punch, it's really good" I shrug and go to scoop some out. However, I saw about 20 hits of blotter acid floating near the bottom of the bowl. I never like to trip so this was a no go for me. I politely declined Bill. He said, "no go ahead, it's ok, take some". I politely decline again. He kept pushing it. I knew if I said no too many times I would become body number 128 or something like that. I can see Bill is getting ever so slightly agitated so I explain to him that I just don't do well tripping. Before he could say anything my cousin takes the ladel and pours himself a huge cup and drinks it. This seemed to satisfy Bill and my grisly death was surely averted.

My second favorite story revolves around Bill even though he wasn't physically present.

One of the rare times I was in the inner sanctum of the Angels clubhouse on 3rd Street. It was myself, Tim, Mickey, and Gar. All associates of the group in one way or another. We were hanging out doing crank and drinking beer when who walks in the room but Wild Bill's "girlfriend" Alice. Alice was a solid four. Just a skanky bitch with a crippling addiction to Valium. But Bill tolerated her for some reason so she was always around.

She made her entrance ghouled out of her mind on V's. She had always taken a fancy to Mickey so she sure was happy to see him. Within seconds, she starts putting a full court press on him. "Hey Mickey, how come you neva wanna fuck meee". Mickey politely declines but Alice was very, very insistent. She just went in and starts to take his dick out to suck him off. We other three start to discreetly leave but she says "Hey, all you fuckers are gonna fuck me" Now we're scared. Four tough guys and one skinny drug addict and we're scared. "If you guys don't fuck me, I'll tell everyone you tried to rape me". Well that was all we needed to hear. So we pulled a train on her. Or she pulled a train on us, I'm not sure. My buddy Gar, who was a dead ringer for the Wookie in Star Wars never got much pussy so he was all in. It was by far the grossest sexual experience I ever had. When it was over, Alice passed out cold and we sat around in shock. Gar however wasn't finished. He starts licking up her leg until he gets to her pussy and starts putting his tongue in. Ewwwwww. Alice wakes up and starts SCREAMING. "You disgusting fucker, what the fuck is wrong with you. I hope you tasted their cum you sick fuck". Then it came. The line that stopped our hearts. She screamed "I'M TELLING BILLLL". Holy fuck, we were out like gangbusters. We told Gar to disappear himself. For a year. No joke. I saw Bill about five days later. He wasn't mad at Tim, Mickey or myself. He chuckled and asked me what's wrong with my friend Gar. I said you know Gar doesn't get any pussy so this was a big thing for him. He chuckled and walked away. Gar stayed in hiding from the club but unfortunately passed away by drinking himself to death.

Wild Bill went into witness protection. I have no idea if he's alive or dead.

Q29) Did you ever have any problems with the police as a result of stuff you did bouncing/security? Did the police know you had a connection to the Hell's Angels? Was that an issue?

I never once saw a cop at the Palladium. They let us do our thing.

When I started working on Long Island I had more dealings with cops. The most was the strip club I worked in Bellmore for eight years The Showtime Cafe. The stationhouse was right up the road so the cops would come in all the time. They actually looked out for us and if the shit went down they always asked us if we wanted them to pick it up. We were all cop haters so we always said no. But I will say, they were very respectful in our house.

Q30) Ok, I'm at a bar. Some bigger dude and I get into an argument. He's about 4 inches taller than me, and outweighs me by like 50 pounds. I realize that we're past the point of no return and we're going to fight - I can't talk my way out of it or call for help. How do I handle myself? What do I do? I don't have any fight experience or training. I'm assuming it's easier to survive if he's drunk off his ass, but what if he's reasonably sober?

Hahaha...this is Master Po from Kung Fu stuff. I don't think I've had a bar fight since the one in the Mudd Club. I always thought if I'm going to fight, I might as well get paid. I avoided confrontations at all costs.

That's the secret of bouncing, 95% of the guys you run into are drunk off their ass and very easy pickings. The vast majority of the time you could talk them down though and there was no violence. Women were a different story. They would never shut the fuck up. You know, like in real life.

I've had no boxing, wrestling, or martial arts training. But we did fight all the time as kids so IMO that's the best training of all.

I was also a competitive powerlifter who was on the gas for long, long periods of time. In my prime I walked around at 6'3" 290lbs. with a 38 inch waist and 18% body fat. I could bench 450 (though this was with a bench shirt), so my size caused many, many potential barroom opponents to think twice I'm sure.



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So far so good! Last but not least, I have to ask about the sex scene in NYC during this time period. Times Square used to be the center of the universe for the “adult” world.  I've always wondered what it was like to be part of the nightlife scene in NYC back in those days.

31) Ever been to Studio 54?  Was it all that?  As a Canadian kid, even I heard of Studio 54.  They made a movie about it.  Any stories? 


32) Do you have any experience / stories about Times Square?  What about other seedy parts of NYC during this time period?  You said you been to Hellfire once and wasn't impressed.  What about the other notorious clubs like Plato's Retreat?


33) In your time spent doing NYC nightlife, did you ever have any interaction with pimps? Did you ever come across the stereotypical pimp you see in movies like Willie Dynamite or was that all just b.s.?


34) Any other dirty stories from your bouncing days you’d like to share? That gangbang story was wild. Any other crazy stuff you saw go down at that HA clubhouse or elsewhere? Not necessarily stuff you did, but perhaps stuff you saw?


35) Where was the best place to get laid in NYC during this time period?


36) Who got the hottest chicks in NYC? Wall Street guys and celebrities  I assume? Who else?  Sounds like bikers got the skanks with the rare exception of Grizzly Steve.

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Qaenos has now spent more time interviewing Wong than most ghostwriters do when writing these WWE autobiographies. I look forward to the book.



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srossi wrote: Qaenos has now spent more time interviewing Wong than most ghostwriters do when writing these WWE autobiographies. I look forward to the book.Yeah me too. I hope he's not with the CIA or anything.



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31) Ever been to Studio 54? Was it all that? As a Canadian kid, even I heard of Studio 54. They made a movie about it. Any stories?

Yes quite a few times. But after the so called glory days when Rubell owned it. I went there from '82 to '85 for clubbing. A fun place but by then strictly bridge and tunnel crowd. In 1985 they opened it up as a heavy metal venue. I saw Slayer there. Metallica played there also but I didn't make that one.

32) Do you have any experience / stories about Times Square? What about other seedy parts of NYC during this time period? You said you been to Hellfire once and wasn't impressed. What about the other notorious clubs like Plato's Retreat?

Times Square was magic when you were a teenager. My friends and I would take the subway in from Queens and hit the $15 dollar massage parlor in the St. James Hotel on 45th street and those older Puerto Rican ladies would treat us EXTREMELY well. A ten dollar tip and they were happy because they got to fuck young teenage guys.

Times Square in the 70's was truly as bad as it's made out to be. The movie Taxi Driver should have been a documentary because it was dead on accurate of what the street was like. I was walking down the street looking to cop some seconals and this big black man comes out of the doorway of a massage parlor and offered me a job right on the spot as a steerer (get the marks through the front door). He offered me 60 bucks cash for two hours of work. Sixty bucks bought alot of seconal so I jumped on it. He was a man of his word and told me I could work for him anytime. I did not pursue further career opportunities with him though.

I always thought 14th Street and the Lower East Side were much worse crime wise than Times Square. These people here were desperate, down and out junkies who couldn't even get their shit together enough to sell their ass as whores. Alphabet City got progressively and exponentially worse the deeper you went. I stayed away for the most part as it was just a sure thing somebody would try and mug you.

I never went to Plato's. I was an average looking guy I guess but I had a lot of game. Pussy was very easy to get in those days. Before the AIDS thing, NYC girls were just all sluts lol. It was truly like shooting fish in a barrel and I can assure you it's not because of my resemblance to George Clooney.

34) Any other dirty stories from your bouncing days you’d like to share? That gangbang story was wild. Any other crazy stuff you saw go down at that HA clubhouse or elsewhere? Not necessarily stuff you did, but perhaps stuff you saw?

Even though I'm an avowed atheist I feel I cemented my place in hell with this one. I was driving into the city to go to the clubhouse on 3rd Street to drop off some money as a favor to Steve. Right before I get on the BQE (Brooklyn Queens Expressway for you foreigners who may be reading this) there was this cute chick hitchhiking. Hitchhiking was a very common thing in the boroughs back in the day. I pick her up and we start talking. I knew within 30 seconds that this chick was wild. She was going to the city also. She asked me where I was going and I told her. She got so excited I thought she was pee through my fine Corinthian Leather on my front seat. She begged to come with me. I told her flat out these guys are no joke at all and she would be passed around like a joint of thai stick. She smiled and said "I'll take my chances". I told her again it will not end well for her. She said to let her worry about that. So, we get to the clubhouse and California Dave is waiting for me. He takes the money and then right away asks who my friend is. I say just someone I picked up and she wants to meet all you fine young men. What he said next made me feel at least a little respected by the club. He asked if it's ok with me if he took her inside. I said "it's my gift to you". Never saw that chick again nor do I know what happened to her but I'm sure the train left the station that day.

35) Where was the best place to get laid in NYC during this time period?

Seriously, if you had any type of game, you could get laid anywhere and everywhere. Women and men were a lot simpler then I think. Don't get me wrong, you had to work for it, but if you had confidence, no problem.

Now if that failed, there were blocks and blocks of cheap hookers everywhere in Manhattan and Queens. I mean everywhere. Sodom and Gomorrah shit. Most of the girls were my-tee fine too. You could get a half and half for twenty five bucks right in the car. If you wanted something exteneded, short stay hotels were like $18 bucks for three hours and the whore would charge you $40 to $50 depending on how hot she was.

36) Who got the hottest chicks in NYC? Wall Street guys and celebrities I assume? Who else? Sounds like bikers got the skanks with the rare exception of Grizzly Steve.

I would think then as now the guys who got the hottest chicks were the guys with the most money. I worked my union day job down in the Financial District for 25 years. Our crew would walk into a bar dirty and scuzzy and get a lot of the same chicks that the bankers and brokers got. Those guys did whoever get the elite ones every time.

Biker chicks were all skanks almost without exception. It figures the only attractive one meets a grisly death.

I found writing all this stuff cathartic. I've never put all of these stories in one place. I hope everyone enjoyed it. I just want to make clear that I wasn't anyone special. You could take five kids I grew up with in Astoria and Jackson Heights and they could tell you their experiences and be blown away by it. It's all in the time and place.

New York City holds no magic to me whatsoever anymore. There are no real New Yorkers left there. There is no scene of any type left there. There isn't even that much history left there. I accept it for what it is and continue to move on with my life.



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Q30) Ok, I'm out on the town.   Some bigger dude and I get into an argument. He's about 4 inches taller than me, and outweighs me by 50 pounds. I realize that we're past the point of no return and we're going to fight - I can't talk my way out of it or call for help. How do I handle myself? What do I do?  At what height / weight difference would you say is the point where I should be trying to run away as opposed to sticking my ground?  I don't have any fighting experience or training and we'll assume my opponent doesn't either (which I know is a very dangerous thing to do).

Someone who has cred on WC absolutely has to post this question there for CM, in a way that doesn't seem like an obvious troll.  I would love to see that answer. 



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srossi wrote:
Q30) Ok, I'm out on the town.   Some bigger dude and I get into an argument. He's about 4 inches taller than me, and outweighs me by 50 pounds. I realize that we're past the point of no return and we're going to fight - I can't talk my way out of it or call for help. How do I handle myself? What do I do?  At what height / weight difference would you say is the point where I should be trying to run away as opposed to sticking my ground?  I don't have any fighting experience or training and we'll assume my opponent doesn't either (which I know is a very dangerous thing to do).

Someone who has cred on WC absolutely has to post this question there for CM, in a way that doesn't seem like an obvious troll.  I would love to see that answer. 

Crimson Danny: With my extensive kung fu, boxing, and shooter/hooker skills there really is no man alive who can conquer me. Many, many have tried but absolutely none have been able to even get remotely close. Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls" When your a message board administrator, the laws of the common man don't apply to you.



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WongLee wrote[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"

Fuck did this make me laugh out loud!



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Superstar wrote: WongLee wrote[highlight= rgb(248, 248, 248);]Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls"

Fuck did this make me laugh out loud!

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WongLee wrote:I found writing all this stuff cathartic. I've never put all of these stories in one place. I hope everyone enjoyed it.
I loved it!  You've seen almost every wrestler and band I've ever wanted to see.  You've also seen/done shit around NYC that I've always been fascinated with, so  thanks for sharing the memories!

WongLee wrote:You could take five kids I grew up with in Astoria and Jackson Heights and they could tell you their experiences and be blown away by it. It's all in the time and place.
I agree the time and place was magical, but I disagree that anyone from that period could share their experiences the way you did.  You are a great story teller and highly intelligent.  Ivy League for sure.    But you've got a street-level perspective on things and razor sharp wit which makes you really funny.  You could easily hang with Bobby Heenan and trade stories and jokes all night.  Well, I mean before he got all sick...but anyway.

WongLee wrote:Jack Brisco grabbed my testicles once but I told him "Brisco, you have exactly 15 minutes to get your hands off my balls.
I agree with Superstar - this made me laugh so hard I almost fell off my chair.

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Oh Qaenos, you're gonna make my panties drop faster than the 1987 stock market. Ivy League though? Nah, I've never even been to Wrigley Field. Only went to college for a year and then I went to work. Back then you could get a career for life with a high school diploma. There were lots of opportunities. Civil Service like my pops, union trade jobs like myself, it was all there. Nowadays the union gigs have just about dried up and the civil service tests are run for profit. The city gives the entrance exam for the NYPD every single week. It costs $100 to take the test. These kids have virtually no chance of getting that gig. But the city is sure getting their money.

Like I said in the last post, it doesn't resemble NYC in any way, shape, or form anymore. Now get the hell off of my lawn.



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I found writing all this stuff cathartic. I've never put all of these stories in one place. I hope everyone enjoyed it. I just want to make clear that I wasn't anyone special. You could take five kids I grew up with in Astoria and Jackson Heights and they could tell you their experiences and be blown away by it. It's all in the time and place.

I enjoyed it immensely. Your writings have officially surpassed Juanita Ford's Batista fan faction in my eyes.



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srossi wrote: I found writing all this stuff cathartic. I've never put all of these stories in one place. I hope everyone enjoyed it. I just want to make clear that I wasn't anyone special. You could take five kids I grew up with in Astoria and Jackson Heights and they could tell you their experiences and be blown away by it. It's all in the time and place.

I enjoyed it immensely. Your writings have officially surpassed Juanita Ford's Batista fan faction in my eyes.
Resst IN piece Juanita.



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