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 Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 07:09 am
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There is plenty of talk in the V.P. thread about the election in general, so I thought I would start this new thread.

 

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Unless Obama really screws up, I think he will win.   (I know, most people think that.) The real story of the Palin selection is not how she energized the GOP base, but she energized the GOP and Dem base.  Obama was sent $10 million in one day because of her being picked.  

 

Are there any Republicans here who still think about voting Obama?  I know Big J and myself have mentioned it.  Anything new with you, Big J?

 

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see, I still think McCain has it locked up. I've thought that since Obama won the nomination. People will say "Oh, we're voting Obama!" but come election day, they are going to go with the safe choice..



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Married Jo wrote: see, I still think McCain has it locked up. I've thought that since Obama won the nomination. People will say "Oh, we're voting Obama!" but come election day, they are going to go with the safe choice..

the safe choice of continuing to spend billions each day on the war, while he has no plan but let the health insurance companies and oil companies continue to push the middle class into financial ruin.  Not a safe course in my opinion.



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My state seems like it'll do it's part for Obama. Latest poll, that came out yesterday (9/4), had Obama up big 55%-40%. That'll come down a bit after the convention, but that's a wide margin. Iowa not a swing state this election.

And Iowa's 95% white, so I disagree with Married Jo's post a bit. Does that hold true in the South? Maybe, but they were going McCain anyways. I think Obama will be fine in "traditional" Dem. states and the key battleground states.



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sportatorium roach wrote: Are there any Republicans here who still think about voting Obama?  I know Big J and myself have mentioned it.  Anything new with you, Big J?
I'd thought about it a lot.  Now that we're at a stage where Obama's plans have come out a bit more and McCain's as well, I can't vote for Obama.  I fundamentally disagree with his economic plan, what little we know about it.

Plus I really like the choice of Palin, I think she's got a very bright future.

I'm voting McCain barring anything new to change my mind.

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Count Grog wrote: Married Jo wrote: see, I still think McCain has it locked up. I've thought that since Obama won the nomination. People will say "Oh, we're voting Obama!" but come election day, they are going to go with the safe choice..

the safe choice of continuing to spend billions each day on the war, while he has no plan but let the health insurance companies and oil companies continue to push the middle class into financial ruin.  Not a safe course in my opinion.

That's the Democratic party's talking points - parroting that doesn't indicate you've given it any real thought.

Not slamming, but just a reminder that this election is about a lot more important shit than the talking points everyone parrots.

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Some polls have McCain closing the gap in California, but no way does Obama lose this state.  Popular vote is all good and well, but it still comes back to the fact we are voting for electors, not for President.  In that regard Obama has relatively nice cushion.



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BigJ wrote: Count Grog wrote: Married Jo wrote: see, I still think McCain has it locked up. I've thought that since Obama won the nomination. People will say "Oh, we're voting Obama!" but come election day, they are going to go with the safe choice..

the safe choice of continuing to spend billions each day on the war, while he has no plan but let the health insurance companies and oil companies continue to push the middle class into financial ruin.  Not a safe course in my opinion.

That's the Democratic party's talking points - parroting that doesn't indicate you've given it any real thought.

Not slamming, but just a reminder that this election is about a lot more important shit than the talking points everyone parrots.

Talking points are short, easily digestible bits of rhetoric. They're slogans or catchphrases such as "Victory." To paraphrase, Palin said "Obama doesn't say Victory enough" to draw a charge of the crowd. That was a talking point. When either campaign spews about "Change," they're hitting a talking point. It's short and easy to grasp.

Grog's points lack in detail, but they describe problems the country faces. They aren't talking points. For too long, oil companies have had their hands in policy making, such as Cheney's secret policy meeting with energy industry representatives. For too long, we've been hemorraghing wealth on a misguided foreign war while not diverting enough attention to the real enemy; many billions/mo. in Iraq, not enough pressure on Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. (I can't say much on health care 'cause I don't follow it, though prices are out of control)..

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Kid_Naitch wrote:
And Iowa's 95% white, so I disagree with Married Jo's post a bit. Does that hold true in the South? Maybe, but they were going McCain anyways. I think Obama will be fine in "traditional" Dem. states and the key battleground states.

my "safe" post has absolutely NOTHING to do with his race, geez. I'm talking about safe as in taking McCain, who has years of service and a proven track record of working both sides of the fence, over a relatively newcomer with only a few years in the senate.  IMO just by his getting the nomination, it's been proven that in all honesty, race don't mean shit in this election..



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Married Jo wrote: ... race don't mean shit in this election..

Not openly.  I don't accept that it won't be a factor though.  I know it's ugly, but I believe it's true.



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Wasn't trying to parrott the Democratic credo, nor get into a long discussion that hasn't been stated elsewhere already.  But in short The Democratic platform is more than a slick marketing campaign that main point is to tell you what is bad about the opponent.  Sure the Democrats want to paint McCain as an extention of George Bush.  But they are at least talking about issues.  Is Obama going to be able to pass Health Care reform?  Not unless he can get a filabuster free Congress to push it through.  But at least he would try.  McCain while rarely mentioning the subject will only allow the Health insurance companies and the drug companies shoots rates and prices even higher.  My company pays a large chunk of my health insurance but they still take out $120 on month out of my paycheck for it.  (plus another $25 for dental)

The US might have the finiest healthcare in the world but its only for a few who can afford it. 

I am against the war in Iraq, never was for it.  Saddam Hussian was a crazy dictator and killed thousands of people  but so is that nut in North Korea and he HAS weapons of mass destruction.  You want me to support the war on terror move 100,000 troops to Afgahastan and really make an effort to find Osama Bin Laden.  Go into those villiages in Pakastan and kill off Al Queda.  Why don't we? Because there is no oil there.  Iraq has 100's of billions of dollars in oil revenue that they build up and we keep paying for everything.  I think if your a fiscal conservative that would make you mad. 

I'm not angry that gays want to marry or women want the right to choose to have an abortion.  I'm angry I have to pay $4 a gallon for gas and $3 a half gallon for minuite maid lemonade.  I'm mad its cheaper to by 5 roast beef sandwhiches at Arbys than to buy a pound of roast beef in the grocery store.  I'm mad that they'd rather spend millions building new jails to incarcerate kids selling pot that to build new schools.  I'm mad my retirement fund loses money every quarter while corporate profits soar.  I'm mad that jobs are leaving the US every day for China, India, South America and in return the only new jobs created are at Walmarts and fast food restuarants.

For a party like the Republicans to wrap themselves around the flag and around religion they preach more hate than compassion.  They preach more greed and charity.  They paint the Democrats as unAmerican, claim they hate America yet they stand by and promote jobs leaving America.  They support war only to protect oil.  They say Democrats don't suppiort the troops but won't give the troops enough armour for their vechicles or once the veterans return care that they are homeless, or update the VA hospitals so they can care for the wounded (I give McCain that he at one time at least visted them alot)

 

Its easier to win elections by scaring the American Public.  Tell them anything new is bad.  They buy it and the republicans can keep winning without focusing on the real problems in America.

 

Will Obama fix everything. No, will Obama take the US on a different course, probably, and to me that is not a bad thing.

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Count Grog wrote:  I'm mad that jobs are leaving the US every day for China, India, South America and in return the only new jobs created are at Walmarts and fast food restuarants

This hurts the GOP with blue collar workers of course.  McCain will say "get a different job in computers" or "you should have higher hopes for your son than for him to work in a factory."

 

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I don't think there is any truth to it, but the National Enquirer has been digging around trying to get proof that Palin had an affair with her husband's business partner.  It's been said the business partner just filed an emergency motion to get his divorce papers sealed. 
I found this "info" at The Atlantic's website (from Andrew Sullivan). 

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Married Jo wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote:
And Iowa's 95% white, so I disagree with Married Jo's post a bit. Does that hold true in the South? Maybe, but they were going McCain anyways. I think Obama will be fine in "traditional" Dem. states and the key battleground states.

my "safe" post has absolutely NOTHING to do with his race, geez. I'm talking about safe as in taking McCain, who has years of service and a proven track record of working both sides of the fence, over a relatively newcomer with only a few years in the senate.  IMO just by his getting the nomination, it's been proven that in all honesty, race don't mean shit in this election..

Got it. I see what you mean. I must've read something about race right before that post and came with that mindset, though Bolt made a good point, too. There are people who won't openly admit to race being a factor but it could come through at the ballot box.



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