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 Posted: Wed Aug 30th, 2017 02:33 am
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New York City is boosting the price of a pack of cigarettes to $13—the most expensive in the nation--in its ongoing crackdown on smoking.

The hike takes effect June 1, 2018, under new legislation that also reduces the number of places allowed to sell cigarettes.

"We are sending a loud and clear message that we will not let their greed kill any more New Yorkers without a fight," Mayor Bill de Blasio said Monday in signing the bill into law at a Brooklyn hospital. "These new laws will not only help reduce the number of smokers in our city, but also save lives."

The current minimum is $10.50 a pack.

The legislation aims to pressure the city’s 900,000 estimated smokers to quit.

The measure also reduces by half the number of retailers licensed to sell tobacco products. About 8,300 businesses now have a license. The numbers would be reduced through attrition, officials said.

Philadelphia and San Francisco have similar licensing restrictions.
Other provisions will ban the sale of all tobacco products in pharmacies, require licensing of e-cigarette retailers and require all residential buildings to have smoking policies that are given to all current and prospective tenants.
Some residential buildings will be required to ban smoking in common areas like hallways.


New York City’s war on cigarettes began under the previous mayor, Michael Bloomberg. The city has claimed that hiking the price of cigarettes would cause people to quit or not start.

Smoking rates in the city have declined from 21.5 percent to about 14.3 percent in 2015. City officials said they believed the new restrictions could decrease the rate to 12 percent by 2020.

Opponents of the price increase argued the price hike will push many smokers into buying untaxed, unregulated cigarettes on the black market.

"These measures will destroy the business investment of retailers who have been leading the effort to prevent youth access to tobacco products, and the result will be lost revenue, lost jobs and an increasing number of sales in unregulated and illegal settings," Jim Calvin, president of the New York Association of Convenience Stores, said after the legislation passed earlier this month.

Calvin said they have not decided whether to challenge the legislation in court.

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Good. Wish we could ban them altogether.



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Is there an Indian reservation anywhere near? That's where everyone here goes for tobacco since it's a fraction of the price. Same with gas.

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Can I buy them for $8 a pack in Pa and put them on eBay for $10?

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LAF wrote: Is there an Indian reservation anywhere near? That's where everyone here goes for tobacco since it's a fraction of the price. Same with gas.Nearest one is more than 50 miles east of the Queens line. They are quite sordid. I mean, you won't get your throat cut but there's an abundance of the lowest common denominator around those smoke shops.



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beejmi wrote: Can I buy them for $8 a pack in Pa and put them on eBay for $10?

You need a license to sell tobacco legally.



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I'm starting to see Vape shops opening up at every corner now it looks like more smokers are switching to it.

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LAF wrote: Is there an Indian reservation anywhere near? That's where everyone here goes for tobacco since it's a fraction of the price. Same with gas.
Same here



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raising the price doesn't make people quit, it may be an incentive but it overly affects those most vulnerable, heroin is expensive too, up here in Canada it's about 14$ for a real pack,  the Indian reservations sell them for 4$ so that's 10$ in taxes. If they really wanted people to quit they would offer free services , or free patches, or gum or whatever 




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At a certain point if cigarettes get too expensive in comparison to the market value price in most other areas, it will create a black market. The high tobacco taxes in Canada have made black market cigarettes a big criminal enterprise. That was what Dino Bravo was involved with when he was killed in an obvious hit.

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tamalie wrote: At a certain point if cigarettes get too expensive in comparison to the market value price in most other areas, it will create a black market. The high tobacco taxes in Canada have made black market cigarettes a big criminal enterprise. That was what Dino Bravo was involved with when he was killed in an obvious hit.
At some point?  Eric Garner anyone?



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Up here they would smuggle the Canadian made smokes back from the States and sell them here for half the price, when they changed the rules for the reservations it pretty much killed that, because of our health care they justify the taxes but they obviously don't want you to quit , a lot of stuff isnt covered anyways so they get the taxes then they get their pensions I quit 15 years ago , motivation and patch



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tamalie wrote: At a certain point if cigarettes get too expensive in comparison to the market value price in most other areas, it will create a black market. The high tobacco taxes in Canada have made black market cigarettes a big criminal enterprise. That was what Dino Bravo was involved with when he was killed in an obvious hit.Agree.  It will help the criminals.  

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I am against smoking btw but am a hypocrite myself since I like to smoke a cigar once a week.

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Ultimark wrote: tamalie wrote: At a certain point if cigarettes get too expensive in comparison to the market value price in most other areas, it will create a black market. The high tobacco taxes in Canada have made black market cigarettes a big criminal enterprise. That was what Dino Bravo was involved with when he was killed in an obvious hit.Agree.  It will help the criminals.  
Whenever you ban something it helps the criminals, by definition.  And pricing the average person out accomplishes the same thing. 

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