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 Posted: Fri Sep 22nd, 2017 04:05 pm
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When we saw the itemized bill for my son's birth that the insurance company was given, we were flabbergasted.  It became a game to try to figure out what 30 second consultation was spruced up in official-sounding language to justify a $500 cost.  OTC medications that everyone has in their homes right now were marked up by 5000%.  Procedures that weren't even done were charged.  This is all outright fraud, but it's status quo.

The only thing we were responsible for paying was the "private room" because insurance only covers a shared room, which is not very practical since no one is sleeping with 2 women and their newborns sharing a room.  They wanted $1,000 a night for a view of Central Park, as if anyone in the hospital should give a shit about the view.  We took a room for $400 a night, which is just a dirty dingy hospital room like any other, but they're charging upscale hotel rates for them.  The room was hot as shit and the AC wasn't plugged in.  The cord didn't reach and they needed to get an extension cord.  We asked like 3 times.  This is the night of the birth and my wife was in a lot of discomfort and the heat wasn't helping.  I finally went out and bought one myself.  Before we checked out, I raised holy hell and got that first night comped.  The administrator said, "Well the problem is you asked the overnight crew to get the extension cord, and they don't do anything, but they have a strong union so we can't fire them."  This is what $400 a night gets you at a good NYC hospital.    



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The worst of all worlds. Either totally free market or single payer.
This in between bullshit is out of control.

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Nothing will really change until politicians start losing their jobs over this shit.

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...aaaannnd once again John "The Maverick" McCain will white knight for the Democrats. *Golf clap*

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http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/22/rand-paul-wont-be-swayed-im-a-big-boy

Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and John McCain, R-Ariz., will vote against the latest Republican-led effort to repeal parts of Obamacare, likely killing any slim chance that the proposal had of reaching the necessary 50 votes in the Senate. Paul told the Associated Press he plans to vote against the Graham-Cassidy bill because it does not do enough to repeal Obamacare's regulations and taxes.

McCain, in a statement issued later Friday, said he would not vote for the bill because he disagreed with the procedural shortcuts Republicans were taking to get the bill to the floor without committee hearings and the opportunity for amendments.

Senate's so-called "skinny repeal" bill in July over similar concerns about Senate GOP leaders abandoning "regular order," said he would consider voting for the Graham-Cassidy bill "were it the product of extensive hearings, debate, and amendments" and only after getting a full CBO score of the bill, something that won't be available before the end of the month.

"I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal," McCain said Friday. "We should not be content to pass health care legislation on a party-line basis, as Democrats did when they rammed Obamacare through Congress in 2009. If we do so, our success could be as short-lived as theirs when the political winds shift, as they regularly do."

By themselves, Paul and McCain would not be enough to sink the GOP health care bill. But at least two other Republican senators—Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine—are widely believed to be "no" votes on the bill. Collins confirmed Friday to the Associated Press that she's leaning against the bill.

President Donald Trump on Friday threatened Republicans—and Paul in particular—who were considering voting against the bill. He said those who refused to support the Graham-Cassidy bill in the Senate "will forever...be known as 'the Republican who saved Obamacare'"

In the tweet, Trump specifically identified Paul, who has so far been the only Republican to go on the record as opposing Graham-Cassidy, though at least two other Republican senators—Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine—are widely believed to be "no" votes on the bill. Murkowski and Collins, along with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., voted against the so-called "skinny repeal" bill in July.

Trump's threats have nothing to do with the policy of the bill, and the White House is only interested in a political win, Paul told the AP.

Paul's assessment of the situation seems pretty accurate. Trump has never indicated much of an interest in the policy aspects of the health care debate that has raged on Capitol Hill since March, though he did quickly organize a Rose Garden press conference to celebrate the House's passage of an earlier Obamacare repeal bill. A lack of White House engagement was widely noted in the wake of the "skinny repeal" bill's embarrassing failure in July, but—aside from some bluster on Twitter—neither the president nor his top health officials have been particularly active in selling the Graham-Cassidy bill to potentially recalcitrant Republicans this week.

Indeed, even Republicans in the Senate who said they would vote for the Graham-Cassidy bill appeared this week to be having a difficult time explaining the merits of it. A vote on the bill is scheduled for next week, but that timeline is dictated more by the ticking clock than by any broad agreement that Graham-Cassidy is a good bill. Republicans only have until September 30 to pass a health care bill using the reconciliation process. After that a major rewrite of Obamacare will require 60 votes and therefore must have Democratic support.

Paul's and McCain's opposition creates some difficult math for GOP leaders. That's why Republicans, as IJR's Haley Byrd reported yesterday, have dangled a carrot in front of Murkowski. In exchange for voting to scrap parts of Obamacare, her home state of Alaska will be allowed to keep Obamacare. It's a blatantly political move to buy votes (the same kind of move that Republicans denounced when it was used to help pass Obamacare in the first place), and

Paul is right to recognize it as such, which he did in his interview with the AP.

As for Trump's promise to attack him in future political campaigns if he votes against the bill?

"I'm a big boy," says Paul.

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So McCain probably gave it it's death, but he also indicated that he would have voted for it if it had gone through the correct process.

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DaNkinator wrote: So McCain probably gave it it's death, but he also indicated that he would have voted for it if it had gone through the correct process.
McCain is a double-talking pussy.  He needed an out to not vote for this, and that is the excuse he gave.  You don't really believe he cares about the "correct process" now, after subverting that process for 30 years, do you?  We're not exactly talking about a constitutional idealist here, this guy is a neocon's (or neolib's) wet dream.

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I think mortality is staring him in the face. He doesn't want this to be his legacy. Yea, his is a politician like the rest of them. At least he isn't folding like Portman.

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I also know that Care isn't a good solution. Their solution is much worse. As long as we have to live with this fucked up system, the best approach is going to be to make Ocare more stable. We could either go full Sanders (although there would be premiums) or full libertarian. The middle ground just gives power to everyone but the patient. In particular, the ins firms and lawyers make out like bandits.

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BTW - currently paying $1688 a month for my family of 4 for what amounts to shitty coverage. $2500 individual deductible and $5,000 family. So, please spare me the bullshit on how great Ocare is. I just know this solution from this particular band of morons will only though fuel on the fire.

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Next year, it will probably be around $1850. But let's not fix this. Let's stay in our partisan corners and fuck over people.

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srossi wrote: DaNkinator wrote: So McCain probably gave it it's death, but he also indicated that he would have voted for it if it had gone through the correct process.
McCain is a double-talking pussy.  He needed an out to not vote for this, and that is the excuse he gave.  You don't really believe he cares about the "correct process" now, after subverting that process for 30 years, do you?  We're not exactly talking about a constitutional idealist here, this guy is a neocon's (or neolib's) wet dream.

No, I don't, which was my intended point.

A friend of mine said it best in a reply to this quote from someone else...
Great that McCain won’t vote for Graham-Cassidy. Tired of all of this health care shit basically hinging on his decisions. Just depressing.
To which she said -
I'm glad I don't live in AZ. Begging that phony, racist old crank not to kill people should be beneath anyone's dignity

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Ultimark wrote: BTW - currently paying $1688 a month for my family of 4 for what amounts to shitty coverage. $2500 individual deductible and $5,000 family. So, please spare me the bullshit on how great Ocare is. I just know this solution from this particular band of morons will only though fuel on the fire.
Who are you talking about?


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Paul and McCain are rejecting the repeal plan but McCain is rejecting it over the process (procedural shortcuts) and Paul is rejecting it over regulations and taxes. I don't hear them rejecting it for being a bad bill that will leave many people uninsured, reinstating the pre-existing condition exemptions, and still costing people a lot of money for less care. I can't understand how people can be so drastically divided on an issue and not willing to make any compromises. How do these bastards keep getting elected to office?

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Ultimark wrote: The worst of all worlds. Either totally free market or single payer.
This in between bullshit is out of control.

Exactly.  The in between crap allows for this opaque con job.
Get us to one or the other.

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