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tamalie wrote: Why was Tom Petty touring with a fully broken hip instead of being at home recovering? Was it his own money he was worried about, or perhaps the Heartbreakers? Apart from Mike Campbell, who has a lot of songwriting and production credits, the tours were how those guys made their dough. Even if that was the case, it makes little sense to put one's self through that.
It wasn't fully broken for most of the tour, it was a fracture or something but he didn't want to cancel and reschedule dates so he played on. What I read the other day was AFTER the tour he had it checked and it was then a full break...
There's a LOT that goes into a tour like that, to postpone or cancel most of one would be a big pain in the ass, I see why he wouldn't want to do that..



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LAF wrote: Take kratom instead of fentanyl
WTF is kratom?



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Married Jo wrote: tamalie wrote: Why was Tom Petty touring with a fully broken hip instead of being at home recovering? Was it his own money he was worried about, or perhaps the Heartbreakers? Apart from Mike Campbell, who has a lot of songwriting and production credits, the tours were how those guys made their dough. Even if that was the case, it makes little sense to put one's self through that.
It wasn't fully broken for most of the tour, it was a fracture or something but he didn't want to cancel and reschedule dates so he played on. What I read the other day was AFTER the tour he had it checked and it was then a full break...
There's a LOT that goes into a tour like that, to postpone or cancel most of one would be a big pain in the ass, I see why he wouldn't want to do that..

Yeah, what I read was actually that the day he died was when it fully broke and he went from substantial pain to excruciating pain and most likely self-medicated to a ridiculous degree.  But he had finished the tour exactly one week earlier.  It's pretty clear he shouldn't have been on that tour though.

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Superstar wrote: LAF wrote: Take kratom instead of fentanyl
WTF is kratom?

It's a powder that comes from a tree in Southeast Asia. A lot of people take it for their pain, as it produces an opioid-esque sensation without nearly as many of the problems and side effects. As could be expected, the DEA tried to ban it a couple years ago, but backed off. You can buy it online legally.

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I bought some and it doesn't do shit lol..



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My buddy's wife swears by it. It didn't really do anything for me, but I don't have a lot of pain. It certainly has a fan base though.

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Married Jo wrote: I bought some and it doesn't do shit lol..From what I understand, to get the most benefit out of it you have to make in a tea that you need a Masters Degree in Chemistry to brew. Very hard to get a maximum release into your bloodstream. Plus, there are many different kinds of strains. Some give you a more speedy head while others are like a mild opiate high. Sounds like good stuff but a major pain in the ass to get into your system properly.

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WongLee wrote: Married Jo wrote: I bought some and it doesn't do shit lol..From what I understand, to get the most benefit out of it you have to make in a tea that you need a Masters Degree in Chemistry to brew. Very hard to get a maximum release into your bloodstream. Plus, there are many different kinds of strains. Some give you a more speedy head while others are like a mild opiate high. Sounds like good stuff but a major pain in the ass to get into your system properly.

Just going off the woman I know, she does it make it in a tea and knows all the different names like Red Maeng Da and other ones I can't remember. 

I'm more of an etizolam person.

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No “accidental” OD.

It was an OD.

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Papa Voo wrote: No “accidental” OD.

It was an OD.

You think he committed suicide?  I doubt it.  I think he was in a ton of pain and a bad state of mind and did something really stupid.  It seems accidental to me.



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http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/22/study-of-postsurgical-patients-shows-add

A new BMJ study of patients who received opioid analgesics after surgery, touted as evidence of how risky such prescriptions are, actually shows how rarely people become addicted in the course of treatment for acute pain. Tracking 568,612 opioid-naive patients who took prescription pain medication following surgery, Boston surgeon Gabriel Brat and his colleagues found that 5,906, or 1 percent, showed signs of "opioid misuse" during the course of the study, which included data from 2008 through 2016.

The outcome measure that Brat et al. used, "opioid dependence, abuse, or overdose," is a broad category that includes patterns of use falling short of what most people would recognize as addiction. That means the actual addiction rate in this study was less than 1 percent, although it's not clear how much less. The researchers note that "overall rates of misuse were low" but do not play up that angle. Instead they emphasize that the risk of misuse increased with the duration of the prescription.

"Each refill and week of opioid prescription is associated with a large increase in opioid misuse among opioid naive patients," Brat et al. write. For instance, "the rate of misuse more than doubled among those with one refill...versus those with no refills." But if you take a low number and double it, the number is still pretty low. The researchers say the incidence of opioid misuse rose from 145 cases per 100,000 person-years (roughly 0.15 percent annually) for patients with no refills to 293 cases per 100,000 person-years (0.29 percent annually) for patients who had one refill. The corresponding addiction rates would be substantially lower.

"Our study is highly suggestive of the conclusion that getting a refill increases your chances of opioid addiction," Brat told MedPage Today. "For surgical patients, it may be that we should focus less on the dose of opioids immediately after discharge and more on the length of time a patient is exposed to opioids."
Maybe, although the causality behind the correlation identified in this study may not go in the direction Brat suggests. It seems plausible that patients who like the psychoactive effects of opioids would be more inclined to ask for refills, in which case patients who are predisposed to addiction would be overrepresented in the group that received them. In other words, getting a refill may be a result rather than a cause of a higher addiction risk.

Either way, the overall results of this study should be reassuring, rather than alarming, for anyone who worries about getting hooked on pain pills after surgery. You would not get that impression from the MedPage Today story. "Each postsurgical opioid refill was associated with a 44% increase in misuse among opioid-naïve patients," reporter Judy George says in the second paragraph. "Likewise, each additional week of prescriptions bumped the risk of opioid misuse up nearly 20%, and misuse rates escalated when patients received more than 9 weeks of drugs."

A dozen paragraphs later, we learn that "overall rates of misuse were low" and get some sense of what that means in terms of rates. George is so keen to play up the risk of addiction that she says "the risk was nonzero even [when] prescription durations were shorter than 2 weeks." Nonzero is what science reporters say they think negligible is not scary enough.

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All ODs are not suicidal.  With heroin today, most are ODs are not suicidal.  

Petty clearly knew the ramifications of taking such drugs while increasing their usage.

Petty overdosed. It is not like he forgot about taking a dose and took a double dose.

The intent was to get as numb as possible and survive. He lost the game. He checked out. He overdosed.

It was not accidental. That is so stupid to call it “accidental”.

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LAF wrote: Take kratom instead of fentanyl
Well here you go:

http://www.thedailyliberator.com/fda-just-falsely-declared-kratom-opioid-ensuring-big-pharma-lifetime-profit/

This article first appeared at FreeThoughtProject

In one of the most ignorant and corrupt decisions to ever come from the Food and Drug Administration, the government agency has declared the kratom plant to be an opioid. Illustrating their servitude to the pharmaceutical industry, the move will only serve to increase the already horrendous epidemic of opioid overdoses and make criminals out of entirely innocent people.

Because kratom has similar effects as opioids—which happen to be vastly safer and milder—the FDA declared it to be a dangerous opioid drug.

Kratom is not an opioid. 
Opiates are derived from poppies and opioids are man-made opiates. Both opiates and opioids depress the respiratory system and are deadly in this respect as related to overdoses. Kratom is in the coffee family and it does not have any properties of opioid-induced respiratory depression.

These facts matter not to the FDA, however, who is hell-bent on making it illegal and will apparently lie through their teeth to do so.

Referring to naturally wild growing kratom plant as a “street drug,” Scott Gottlieb, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, claimed that he and the FDA are acting “in the interest of protecting public health,” and will therefore attack a plant used by millions to enrich the police state, foster the drug war, and ensure a lifetime of profit for the pharmaceutical industry which has addicted the nation to its dangerous and extremely deadly synthetic opioids.

The claims that the FDA is attacking kratom in the interest of public safety would be laughable if they weren’t so insidious.

Blatantly lying to the public, Gottlieb wrote that there is no known science behind the use of kratom to treat opioid withdraw.
We have been especially concerned about the use of kratom to treat opioid withdrawal symptoms, as there is no reliable evidence to support the use of kratom as a treatment for opioid use disorder and significant safety issues exist.
Before taking over the FDA and using his position to enrich his fellow legal drug dealers, Gottlieb was a member of GlaxoSmithKline’s product investment board.  And, as TFTP has previously reported GlaxoSmithKline owns a patent on a kratom alkaloid designed for the very purpose of treating pain, thereby alleviating dependency on opioids.

One of Kratom’s alkaloids—Speciofoline—was researched decades ago by Gottlieb’s former employer and its effects have been widely studied and reported on.

It just so happens that a patent was filed for Speciofoline on August 10, 1964. The patent claims the “alkaloid has useful pharmacodynamic activity, particularly analgetic and antitussive activity.”


But that’s not all. Other studies—which the FDA says do not exist—have been conducted for the specific task of treating opioid dependency.

Aside from a patent on Speciofoline, US 20100209542 A1 is an application that was entered for University Of Massachusetts Medical School, University Of Mississippi in 2010The application specifically recognizes kratom as a treatment for opioid withdrawal. US 20100209542 A1 goes on to claim that kratom could be used to help withdrawals from other drugs as well.
In fact, three synthetic opioids were synthesized from the alkaloids in kratom from 2008- 2016: MGM-9, MGM-15, and MGM-16.

They were synthesized from kratom’s alkaloids Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine: to make what is essentially patentable, pharmaceutical kratom.

These patents are essentially useless, however, with the natural version of the plant being legal. Only through prohibition will pharmaceutical companies be able to peddle their synthetic versions which will undoubtedly be far more dangerous and more expensive than the natural version.

What’s more, Gottlieb went on to rant and rave about the alleged deaths associated with kratom. As TFTP previously reported, a FOIA request on the cause of death for the alleged 36 deaths associated with kratom illustrated that none of them showed enough evidence to prove that they were actually caused by kratom.

In fact, the FDA even admitted this in their report, noting, “Overall, many of the cases received could not be fully assessed because of limited information provided.”

Now, even though they admit their data is flawed, the FDA is touting a new number of 44. Even if this number were real—which it is not—it is laughable considering the fact that FDA approved drugs kill tens of thousands of Americans every single year. FDA approved synthetic opioid drugs alone kill thousands more Americans every year than all homicides combined.

Not only will its ban push kratom into the black market, it will create an entirely new stream of revenue for the police state. The millions of innocent people who currently use kratom will be turned into criminals — literally overnight.

We can expect to see armed raids on cancer patients and other people treating their pain with this plant. We can expect to see asset forfeiture rise and the wholesale theft of property in the name of enforcing the FDA’s ban. More dogs, kids, and adults will undoubtedly fall victim to the police state as it carries out the will of their corporate masters — laying waste to all those in their path.

And, all of this tyranny, prohibition, theft, and violence, will be deemed necessary — to keep you safe — in the Land of the Free.

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It figures. I tried Kratom for the first time last week and loved it. My opiate receptors are fried beyond redemption from years of abuse. But this stuff really helped my various aches and pains garnered from years of steroid abuse and powerlifting. It gives you a nice, overall feeling of well being and stops pain in its tracks. Even though the best stuff is always supposedly ordered online, I have a buddy of mine that I've known for years who runs a shop just about a mile from me and he sells quality kratom.

Unfortunately this doesn't surprise me in the least.

But here's the thing I don't understand. It's a stone cold fact that these days it's almost impossible to get a doctor to prescribe you some painkillers. How is Big Pharma profiting then? Shouldn't they throw their hat in the ring and start massive cannabis farms and kratom fields?

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