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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5014447/Actress-alleges-George-H-W-Bush-sexually-assaulted-her.html

Former President George HW Bush has apologized after an actress claimed he 'sexually assaulted' her while he was in his wheelchair.

Heather Lind, 34, who starred in AMC's series 'Turn: Washington's Spies', made the allegations against the 93-year-old former president on Instagram in a lengthy post with accompanying photos. 
'When I got the chance to meet George H. W. Bush four years ago to promote a historical television show I was working on, he sexually assaulted me while I was posing for a similar photo. He didn't shake my hand. He touched me from behind from his wheelchair with his wife Barbara Bush by his side. He told me a dirty joke,' Lind alleges.
In a statement to DailyMail.com the former president responded: 'President Bush would never - under any circumstance - intentionally cause anyone distress, and he most sincerely apologizes if his attempt at humor offended Ms. Lind.


Lind said in her since-deleted Instagram post it happened a second time: 'And then, all the while being photographed, touched me again. Barbara rolled her eyes as if to say ''not again''. His security guard told me I shouldn't have stood next to him for the photo.'
The photo in question was taken at a private screening of AMC's TURN: Washington's Spies with the former president and first lady in March 2014 in Houston, Texas.
Standing alongside Lind and the Bushes were her fellow TURN cast members Seth Numrich, Samuel Roukin, Ian Khan, Kevin McNally and Burn Gorman.
'We were instructed to call him Mr. President. It seems to me a President's power is in his or her capacity to enact positive change, actually help people, and serve as a symbol of our democracy,' the lengthy post went on.
'He relinquished that power when he used it against me and, judging from the comments of those around him, countless other women before me,' Lind wrote.
Her post goes on to say: 'What comforts me is that I too can use my power, which isn't so different from a President really. I can enact positive change. I can actually help people. I can be a symbol of my democracy.'
'I can refuse to call him President, and call out other abuses of power when I see them,' she writes. 
'I can vote for a President, in part, by the nature of his or her character, knowing that his or her political decisions must necessarily stem from that character.'
Lind adds that she shared the allegations against Bush with people on her AMC series.


'My fellow cast-mates and producers helped me that day and continue to support me. I am grateful for the bravery of other women who have spoken up and written about their experiences,' she said.
'And I thank President Barack Obama for the gesture of respect he made toward George H. W. Bush for the sake of our country, but I do not respect him. #metoo.'  
Lind concluded using the hashtag that has become a viral trend for people to share their allegations of sexual assault.  
People were divided on how to interpret Lind coming forward with her own #metoo story. 
On person commented: 'I am SO SORRY that you had to deal with that Heather! This story has really upset me.'
But others were questioning the timing, ignoring the recent #metoo trend: 'Why didn't you say this four years ago instead of now.'
Some argued having one's behind touched did not amount to 'sexual assault' so someone posted a definition to argue the point. 
'According to RAINN the definition for sexual assault is What is sexual assault? The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. Some forms of sexual assault include: Attempted rape, Fondling or unwanted sexual touching, Forcing a victim to perform sexual acts, such as oral sex or penetrating the perpetrator's body, Penetration of the victim's body, also known as rape.'
Although one commenter called this particular #metoo post off the mark.
'Awards for bravery don't belong to women who post on Instagram. I've been loathe [sic] to comment on things like this but this was the last straw. I'm not denying anyone's "truth," and I am not saying that sexual harassment or assault don't cause most victims to feel fear and shame, but I am saying that it isn't all the same.'
The commenter continued: 'It isn't equal. And if you think this post is going to help the women trapped by husbands still beating them, the women who will be brutally raped tonight, the little girls being turn [sic] apart by they're [sic] own protectors, you're wrong. 
'All this does is diminish their realities. This isn't bravery. This is not courage. To be one of the millions now? 
'In some rooms we've been doing it for decades. Honestly, for sensitive people you're kinda insensitive ... just sayin'
Another wrote: 'You are terrible. he was 89 years old. and has some Dementia and Vascular Parkinson's. You were not sexually assaulted. You cheapen every person that was. This is not political. I have never voted for a Bush or a republican in my life. This is just wrong.'

The actress has not offered definitive evidence of the alleged misconduct.






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The commenters at the end...good for them for saying that.



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khawk wrote: The commenters at the end...good for them for saying that.
Awards for bravery don't go to people who post on Instagram may be my favorite line of 2017.

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He’s in a fucking wheelchair and can barely raise his arms. Probably just trying to pat her on the back and accidently brushed against her ass. She was soooo threatened. Friggin bitch.

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The US population will dramatically decline because we are now about to equate making a pass at a woman with sexual assault. Mark my words. And by saying this i am in no way condoning animals like Weinstein. But you just watch how far these wackjobs take it.

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Quattro wrote: we are now about to equate making a pass at a woman with sexual assault. Mark my words.
About?  We’re already there. It’s happened. Catcalling has been considered a capital offense for at least 3 years now. 



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We’re fucked. And not literally

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Quattro wrote: We’re fucked. And not literally
Their views are unsustainable and they fight with each other more than they fight with the rest of us. No one in that world can pass the purity test because their rules are so absurd. I think a lot of this is social media posturing because I see some posts from chicks that I know aren’t like this in real life. Most people couldn’t be. They’d never be able to enjoy a TV show or go on a date if they really were. They enjoy getting offended only for “look at me” purposes on social media. It’s not very different from some Trump supporters I know who would be in jail or dead if they acted in real life like they do online. 



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khawk wrote: The commenters at the end...good for them for saying that. Well, it is a UK media outlet, man of which have topless pin-ups in the middle of the newspaper. So, they obviously hold themselves to a higher journalistic standard than the mainstream America media (not sarcasm).



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A second actress has accused Bush of basically doing the same exact thing - feeling her up during a photo op while telling a bad joke.  Jordana Grolnick said that in 2016 she felt his hand go up her skirt as he sat behind her and when she turned around he said, "Do you want to know who my favorite magician is?  David Cop-A-Feel."

Look, I 100% believe these allegations.  I don't think for one second she's making this up and that joke is so fucking Bush I can hear him saying it in my head right now (although it's in Dana Carvey's voice).  But the guy is in his 90s and isn't all there anymore, which is part of the reason he's doing this so brazenly.  I am no Bush fan as everyone on these boards can attest to after years of reaming them, but does every old guy who starts to get creepy need to have his reputation ruined right before he dies?  This is not a Bill Cosby situation, this is a spoiled rich guy who grew up during a misogynistic time where bad jokes like this got you laid instead of ostracized.  He probably kept himself in check for decades before letting it out when his mind started going and he stopped giving a fuck.  

More allegations will likely follow because I'm sure this is his MO now, he can't do much else except play a little grab-ass during photo ops.  Can't we let him have this?  He's been married to a beast for like 60 years.  Push his hand away, slap him if you must, but does it have to become a media circus where now it's the first thing listed on his tombstone when he passes away within the next year or two?  This is hardly a case of being tolerant of sexual predators.  There has always been a certain privacy and decorum involving people suffering from Alzheimer's and letting them die with dignity.  I can definitely see people saying, "Fuck this guy!  He and his whole family are war criminals so take him down a peg every chance you get."  I get it.  Part of me wants to say that too (although I of course am not hypocritical enough to think that Clinton and Obama are not also war criminals).  But it is still possible to be the better person and let some things fucking go.     

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I think he’s dementia’ed out. I do not see him with all of his faculties doing this.

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srossi wrote: Do you want to know who my favorite magician is?  David Cop-A-Feel.

Im remembering that one if I ever hit my 90s.  Attributing it to old man Bush makes it even funnier.



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broke wrote: srossi wrote: Do you want to know who my favorite magician is?  David Cop-A-Feel.

Im remembering that one if I ever hit my 90s.  Attributing it to old man Bush makes it even funnier.

"I once randomly touched a former President like this. I like grabbing Bush!"--broke, age 94, from his wheelchair, while copping a feel on a nurse in the home his kids put him in



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"It's just a character I play in the old folks home" is gonna be my defence



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A third woman, author Christine Baker Kline, has come forward and said Bush did the same exact thing to her 4 years ago, even down to the David Cop-A-Feel joke.  As she and her husband were driven home by a Bush associate, they were asked to be "discreet" about the incident and the implication was that he does this all the time.  Kline recounted the episode in Slate and didn't seem overly upset by did it, but did say she believed Bush was in control of his faculties because he had lucid conversations that evening and was controlling his impulses at other times.

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