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Benlen wrote: Today's accused........Celebrity Chef Mario Batali
Mario Batali admitted everything and gave the greatest quote in any of these apologies when he basically said that even though the accusations are anonymous he knows he did it because it sounds like a lot of stuff he's done.  That's just fantastic. 



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When do we reach the point where almost everyone stops giving a shit or have we already reached it?

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Why should we stop caring? So many of these have come out as verifiable or admitted.

Shouldn't we hold people to better standards? I have a daughter, I'm hoping that by doing this now, that as she ages, it's not something she has to worry about.

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Samantha Fox accusing David Cassidy before the body gets too cold.

I do love the media narrative acting like only men in positions of power do this. Because there isn't thread after thread here of female teachers playing "Hide the Sausage in my Mouth" with students.

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DaNkinator wrote: Why should we stop caring? So many of these have come out as verifiable or admitted.

Shouldn't we hold people to better standards? I have a daughter, I'm hoping that by doing this now, that as she ages, it's not something she has to worry about.
I understand but these things always go too far.  

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DaNkinator wrote: Why should we stop caring? So many of these have come out as verifiable or admitted.

Shouldn't we hold people to better standards? I have a daughter, I'm hoping that by doing this now, that as she ages, it's not something she has to worry about.

For the most part, your daughter is pretty safe anyway.  So many of these accusations are 5-10 years old that it's just ridiculous.  And yes - times have changed a lot in those 5-10 years.  Things that were overlooked and considered even normal aren't anymore.  Is sexual harrassment a *current* problem?  I really don't think so, because so many people are afraid to do anything these days.  Five years ago, not anywhere near as much.

I am far from being political.  But the last election changed a lot of shit...people that you knew before Trump was elected won't talk to you if they know you are a Trump supporter.  I have a 24 year old niece and a 22 year old niece that are sisters, and of course, one supported Hillary and the other supported Trump.  They are still sisters, they still talk, everything is great.  But whenever politics is brought up (and to their credit, neither of them bring it up), the Trump supporter is a clueless moron and the Hillary supporter is just jealous and stupid.  What does that have to do with any of this?  I truly believe that a lot of the sexual harrassment claims are being made by people still butthurt about the election results, because they see that it's working and hurting other people.  They are tired of hurting, so they are turning it on the others.  I don't condone sexual harrassment, rape, etc.  But you know as well as I do that some of these claims are borderline.  People that you considered your friend and you screwed around back and forth with all of a sudden decided that it wasn't cool even though for years it didn't matter to them.

Mind you...Louis CK pulling out his cock and jerking off in front of women is not borderline!

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Superstar wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Why should we stop caring? So many of these have come out as verifiable or admitted.

Shouldn't we hold people to better standards? I have a daughter, I'm hoping that by doing this now, that as she ages, it's not something she has to worry about.

For the most part, your daughter is pretty safe anyway.  So many of these accusations are 5-10 years old that it's just ridiculous.  And yes - times have changed a lot in those 5-10 years.  Things that were overlooked and considered even normal aren't anymore.  Is sexual harrassment a *current* problem?  I really don't think so, because so many people are afraid to do anything these days.  Five years ago, not anywhere near as much.

I am far from being political.  But the last election changed a lot of shit...people that you knew before Trump was elected won't talk to you if they know you are a Trump supporter.  I have a 24 year old niece and a 22 year old niece that are sisters, and of course, one supported Hillary and the other supported Trump.  They are still sisters, they still talk, everything is great.  But whenever politics is brought up (and to their credit, neither of them bring it up), the Trump supporter is a clueless moron and the Hillary supporter is just jealous and stupid.  What does that have to do with any of this?  I truly believe that a lot of the sexual harrassment claims are being made by people still butthurt about the election results, because they see that it's working and hurting other people.  They are tired of hurting, so they are turning it on the others.  I don't condone sexual harrassment, rape, etc.  But you know as well as I do that some of these claims are borderline.  People that you considered your friend and you screwed around back and forth with all of a sudden decided that it wasn't cool even though for years it didn't matter to them.

Mind you...Louis CK pulling out his cock and jerking off in front of women is not borderline!
Didn't see anything wrong with that!:)

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Superstar wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Why should we stop caring? So many of these have come out as verifiable or admitted.

Shouldn't we hold people to better standards? I have a daughter, I'm hoping that by doing this now, that as she ages, it's not something she has to worry about.

For the most part, your daughter is pretty safe anyway.  So many of these accusations are 5-10 years old that it's just ridiculous.  And yes - times have changed a lot in those 5-10 years.  Things that were overlooked and considered even normal aren't anymore.  Is sexual harrassment a *current* problem?  I really don't think so, because so many people are afraid to do anything these days.  Five years ago, not anywhere near as much.

I am far from being political.  But the last election changed a lot of shit...people that you knew before Trump was elected won't talk to you if they know you are a Trump supporter.  I have a 24 year old niece and a 22 year old niece that are sisters, and of course, one supported Hillary and the other supported Trump.  They are still sisters, they still talk, everything is great.  But whenever politics is brought up (and to their credit, neither of them bring it up), the Trump supporter is a clueless moron and the Hillary supporter is just jealous and stupid.  What does that have to do with any of this?  I truly believe that a lot of the sexual harrassment claims are being made by people still butthurt about the election results, because they see that it's working and hurting other people.  They are tired of hurting, so they are turning it on the others.  I don't condone sexual harrassment, rape, etc.  But you know as well as I do that some of these claims are borderline.  People that you considered your friend and you screwed around back and forth with all of a sudden decided that it wasn't cool even though for years it didn't matter to them.

Mind you...Louis CK pulling out his cock and jerking off in front of women is not borderline!

I can see some of the point that you're attempting to make, but when I see that people continue to try to rationalize this type of behavior, I don't buy that it's not happening still.  It's happening.  And it will continue to happen as long as we try to excuse it away.

Especially as our very own POTUS does it in bold words on Twitter for eternity to see, as he did today.  


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FOX News is projecting that Doug Jones has scored the monumental upset over Roy Moore in Alabama. This is the first time Alabama has gone Democrat in 25 years and it’s 100% because of the sex scandals. Alabama’s other Republican Senator Richard Shelby dropped a bombshell when he announced that he didn’t vote for Moore shortly after the polls opened (he likely voted third party).



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DaNkinator wrote: 
I can see some of the point that you're attempting to make, but when I see that people continue to try to rationalize this type of behavior, I don't buy that it's not happening still.  It's happening.  And it will continue to happen as long as we try to excuse it away.



I think the issue is more that a simple accusation results in immediate suspension/firing from job/etc. without any real investigation or "due process" so to speak.
I do realize that is the norm now, but it inadvertently makes it a lot harder to take the accusations seriously (in terms of sympathizing with the alleged victim) when you see the accused immediately turfed from their job and your thoughts go to how...unfair?...that seems.
Add to that how many are coming out right now with these accusations and the overwhelming volume keeps the ability to separate them limited. That does nobody any favours.
The court of public opinion always permanently convicts, innocent or guilty, once the charge is leveled. But, even if every single one of these turns out to be true, I hate the idea that a woman (or a man I suppose) with an agenda could basically get this done to almost anyone, anytime.
That should scare people, but I don't think it does.

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DaNkinator wrote: Superstar wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Why should we stop caring? So many of these have come out as verifiable or admitted.

Shouldn't we hold people to better standards? I have a daughter, I'm hoping that by doing this now, that as she ages, it's not something she has to worry about.

For the most part, your daughter is pretty safe anyway.  So many of these accusations are 5-10 years old that it's just ridiculous.  And yes - times have changed a lot in those 5-10 years.  Things that were overlooked and considered even normal aren't anymore.  Is sexual harrassment a *current* problem?  I really don't think so, because so many people are afraid to do anything these days.  Five years ago, not anywhere near as much.

I am far from being political.  But the last election changed a lot of shit...people that you knew before Trump was elected won't talk to you if they know you are a Trump supporter.  I have a 24 year old niece and a 22 year old niece that are sisters, and of course, one supported Hillary and the other supported Trump.  They are still sisters, they still talk, everything is great.  But whenever politics is brought up (and to their credit, neither of them bring it up), the Trump supporter is a clueless moron and the Hillary supporter is just jealous and stupid.  What does that have to do with any of this?  I truly believe that a lot of the sexual harrassment claims are being made by people still butthurt about the election results, because they see that it's working and hurting other people.  They are tired of hurting, so they are turning it on the others.  I don't condone sexual harrassment, rape, etc.  But you know as well as I do that some of these claims are borderline.  People that you considered your friend and you screwed around back and forth with all of a sudden decided that it wasn't cool even though for years it didn't matter to them.

Mind you...Louis CK pulling out his cock and jerking off in front of women is not borderline!

I can see some of the point that you're attempting to make, but when I see that people continue to try to rationalize this type of behavior, I don't buy that it's not happening still.  It's happening.  And it will continue to happen as long as we try to excuse it away.

Especially as our very own POTUS does it in bold words on Twitter for eternity to see, as he did today.  



I'm not trying to rationalize the behavior, I'm trying to point out that it's nowhere near as prevalent as it was even five years ago.  And yes, the President has done it too.  And I would bet that most of his predecessors did at one point or another too.  My point, as a father of two boys, is that I don't think your daughter is growing up in a society that will be accepting to the behavior and in fact has already pushed the correction button far too many times to the point that we've over-corrected this.  Morons that did stupid things years ago shouldn't be punished for this, but they deserve to be shamed and pointed out. 



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khawk wrote: DaNkinator wrote: 
I can see some of the point that you're attempting to make, but when I see that people continue to try to rationalize this type of behavior, I don't buy that it's not happening still.  It's happening.  And it will continue to happen as long as we try to excuse it away.



I think the issue is more that a simple accusation results in immediate suspension/firing from job/etc. without any real investigation or "due process" so to speak.
I do realize that is the norm now, but it inadvertently makes it a lot harder to take the accusations seriously (in terms of sympathizing with the alleged victim) when you see the accused immediately turfed from their job and your thoughts go to how...unfair?...that seems.
Add to that how many are coming out right now with these accusations and the overwhelming volume keeps the ability to separate them limited. That does nobody any favours.
The court of public opinion always permanently convicts, innocent or guilty, once the charge is leveled. But, even if every single one of these turns out to be true, I hate the idea that a woman (or a man I suppose) with an agenda could basically get this done to almost anyone, anytime.
That should scare people, but I don't think it does.

This is absolutely correct and it's going to trickle down and effect us all eventually, but as far as 90%+ of these celebrity scandals go, they're almost all immediately admitting to all or at least some of the accusations.  And even when they don't, like Roy Moore, they say enough to dig their own grave and make it clear that they're at least partially guilty.  The only one really fighting hard who was fired is Danny Masterson, and for his sake, and maybe everyone else's, I hope he exonerates himself.  But it's hard to feel sorry for people who throw their hands up and confess to everything before the accusers can even finish their sentence. 

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True enough. Hopefully it allows for pause in people when some of the future accused stop and fight the accusation.



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Tavis Smiley

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From that article:
"Variety reports that the law firm MSK was hired by PBS and "took reports from 10 witnesses, a mix of men and women of different races and employment levels in Smiley’s organization, most of them former staffers," who claim he fostered a hostile work climate while verbally abusing his employees, according to the report."
No mention about the specifics of a sexual misconduct complaint, reads more like he is just an asshole boss. 
Not saying it's not there but I would hope there would be at least some mention of what the sexual misconduct part is...and if there isn't any and he was just a verbally abusive boss, then the net has just been cast wider and possibly been misnamed. 
That's a weird way to note "sexual misconduct".



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