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 Posted: Fri Nov 10th, 2017 03:26 pm
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KHawk - I am not talking about awkward interactions when we were all teens. A 32 year old with a 14 year old is not acceptable ever. Again, don't know if it is true. My point was the religious angle to defend the behavior. That is what I found to be repugnant.

Understood and yes, it is. No question about that to me. The religious comparison part of it, especially.
What I think of here and am trying to get to is that such an action will be/is going to be/already is equated by many to, say, a 14 year old girl dating or getting caught making out with, say, a 17 or 18 year old boy she knows from school. In a culture that seems to be making all claims equal, something like that is going to be held up as an equal example of sexual misconduct. And that isn't right, and goes back to what rossi is talking about with his son and his fears moving forward.
The harder it becomes for people to differentiate between things like that the worse off everyone is, and people are being basically told not to differentiate. 
It's a big problem. 



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khawk wrote: Ultimark wrote:

KHawk - I am not talking about awkward interactions when we were all teens. A 32 year old with a 14 year old is not acceptable ever. Again, don't know if it is true. My point was the religious angle to defend the behavior. That is what I found to be repugnant.

Understood and yes, it is. No question about that to me. The religious comparison part of it, especially.
What I think of here and am trying to get to is that such an action will be/is going to be/already is equated by many to, say, a 14 year old girl dating or getting caught making out with, say, a 17 or 18 year old boy she knows from school. In a culture that seems to be making all claims equal, something like that is going to be held up as an equal example of sexual misconduct. And that isn't right, and goes back to what rossi is talking about with his son and his fears moving forward.
The harder it becomes for people to differentiate between things like that the worse off everyone is, and people are being basically told not to differentiate. 
It's a big problem. 

This has already been happening for years.  In the age of sexting, it's just awful.  Even in states where the age of consent is 16, the age of consent for sexting is still 18 and one state is trying to raise it to 21.  A high school boy who can legally fuck his girlfriend can be, and is, arrested for sexting her.  It's always on the boy, never the girl.  Same thing with sex itself, of course.  15 year-old boy fucks 16-year old girl, the boy is still at risk of getting arrested.  And parents use this as weapons in a silly attempt to keep their little princesses pure, ruining kids' lives along the way.  These kids have to register as sex offenders even if they serve relatively short jail sentences and that's it for them, they can never get a real job or live in a nice neighborhood for the rest of their lives. 

This is why I say I'm so glad the technology didn't exist when I was that age.  I wasn't having sex with anyone but I'm sure I would've been sexting and that would've opened up a whole world of trouble for me that could've still affected me now at 40.  I remember when I was in college and chat rooms were just becoming a thing.  I didn't get into that and was a bit of a late adopter, but some of my friends basically had an early form of online sex 5 hours a day on AOL and God knows what was going on there in the Wild West days of the Internet.  I don't think there were videos or even pictures back then, just chatting and you had to use your imagination and hope the girl on the other end was really doing what she was saying she was doing, and you had to hope that she was even really a girl.  I guarantee some friends of mine who all have families and good jobs and are respected members of the community right now all broke a minimum of 26 laws when they first discovered this.    

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srossi wrote:
This has already been happening for years.  In the age of sexting, it's just awful. 

Yes it has. No question. 





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A 32 year old has no business being with a 14 year old in any capacity.

And in the case of Joseph and Mary, it was a Virgin Birth* so that's a fucking stupid argument.  Rough for Bannon though, looks like he just took up for a pedo!

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broke wrote: And in the case of Joseph and Mary, it was a Virgin Birth* so that's a fucking stupid argument.  Rough for Bannon though, looks like he just took up for a pedo!
This is actually a good point (if one can have good points about make-believe) because I always thought that Christians believe that Mary was only a virgin when Jesus was conceived, but I recently found out that Christians are actually supposed to believe that Mary was ALWAYS a virgin.  The official story is that she never fucked her husband at any point, which is absurd, but at the time these stories were written I think they found any type of sex to be so dirty for the mother of Jesus that they had to pretend that she never performed her wifely duties and died pure.  Keep in mind that at the time refusing to have sex with your husband was grounds for divorce or even death, so even when the story was first written it made no sense.  A wife simply would never not have sex with her husband, it wouldn't happen.  But the people who made up all this shit wrote themselves into a corner and didn't care much about logic anyway (probably the forefathers of WWE's creative staff).  You can look this shit up, Christians actually argue about this.  So yes, in that context it makes the whole defense even sillier.

https://www.thoughtco.com/who-was-virgin-mary-mother-248818

"In Catholic tradition, Mary is referred to as the Virgin Mary because of the doctrine of her perpetual virginity: even after giving birth to Jesus she never had sexual relations with her husband, Josephus, and never gave birth to more children. Many Protestants also believe that Mary remained a virgin, but for most, it’s not a doctrine of faith. References to brothers and sisters of Jesus in the gospels suggest that Mary did not remain a virgin. This is one of many cases where traditional Christian doctrine runs into direct conflicts with text in the Bible. Given a choice, most Christians go with tradition.

"Mary's perpetual virginity means that she is the one human to be both a mother and a virgin; unlike other women, she escapes the curse of Eve. Other women are cursed with a sexuality that forces men to control and restrain them.

This created in Christian tradition the virgin-whore dichotomy: all women are either virgins who follow in the footsteps of Mary (like for example becoming nuns) or who follow in the footsteps of Eve (by tempting men and causing them to sin). This, in turn, helped limit opportunities for women throughout Christian society."

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Shit, I know the Bible better than Roy Moore! Time for me to move south and run for Senate!



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broke wrote: Shit, I know the Bible better than Roy Moore! Time for me to move south and run for Senate!
Most atheists know the bible better than the Christians that claim to follow it.

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DaNkinator wrote: broke wrote: Shit, I know the Bible better than Roy Moore! Time for me to move south and run for Senate!
Most atheists know the bible better than the Christians that claim to follow it.

In fairness, I believe this is more of a Catholic thing and them good old boys don't like Catholics much.  They still can't believe JFK was elected.



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srossi wrote: DaNkinator wrote: broke wrote: Shit, I know the Bible better than Roy Moore! Time for me to move south and run for Senate!
Most atheists know the bible better than the Christians that claim to follow it.

In fairness, I believe this is more of a Catholic thing and them good old boys don't like Catholics much.  They still can't believe JFK was elected.

Most atheists are judgmental assholes and preach their beliefs (or lack of beliefs) more than Christians. I don't know who is worse, atheists or vegans.



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Atheists, Vegans, Born again Christians.... take your pick. They can all be pretty grating under the worst circumstances.


Interestingly enough I was at a friends wedding a couple weeks back outside Montreal and the groom alerted me after the service that all the food at the reception was going to be vegan per the request of his wife. I skipped out for a burger while they were doing pictures.



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Moore picked up more than $100,000 in donations since the pedo claim came out.

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Jeff Sessions just tossed Roy Moore has under the bus. Should be a fun couple weeks.



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The additional accusation that came out yesterday was really bad.  He flirted with this waitress and she had proof that he signed her yearbook.  There was nothing in the message that bad (he did sign it "Love Roy") but what the hell is some old dude doing signing a stranger's yearbook?  Then she claims that he offered to drive her home from the restaurant and tried to rape her in the car, but she fought him off.  He then told her no one would believe her. 



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The Bible implies that Mary & Joseph did the dirty after Jesus was born but doesn't flat out say it which is why the Catholic Church is able to cling to that virgin nonsense.

The whole thing about Joseph being so much older than Mary is rationalized a couple hundred years after the fact to explain away the reasons they didn't have sex. In truth, nobody knows how old they were when the whole thing supposedly went down.


"Joesph?"
"Yeah"
"You know how we've never made love?"
"Yeah"
"Well last night an angel visited me and now I'm pregnant."
"JESUS CHRIST!!!"
"Oh you already know about it"

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srossi wrote: The additional accusation that came out yesterday was really bad.  He flirted with this waitress and she had proof that he signed her yearbook.  There was nothing in the message that bad (he did sign it "Love Roy") but what the hell is some old dude doing signing a stranger's yearbook?  Then she claims that he offered to drive her home from the restaurant and tried to rape her in the car, but she fought him off.  He then told her no one would believe her. Roy's wife, on Twitter, tried to say that the restaurant wasn't even open during that time frame.  Needless to say, that was not helpful in the end.  She has locked down her Twitter now.  
Yea, the lady yesterday was believable to me.  She doesn't want to sue, will testify under oath and is a Trump supporter.
I am sure Bannon's team will turn her into the biggest whore on Earth by Friday.  
I actually hope Moore stays in the race.  Makes Alabama interesting because, let's be honest, this is the only way a Dem can even compete statewide there. 

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