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 Posted: Fri Nov 10th, 2017 01:55 pm
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The GOP is the party that tells us (or used to) that character counts.  This shit with Roy Moore is disturbing and I understand they are allegations.  However, the defense of this is now truly bizarre.  An elected GOP official gave this response on the situation:

“Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler told The Washington Examiner. “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

So, even if Moore did what his accusers claim, it is OK because of Joseph and Mary.  WTF????
Edit - elected at the state level in Alabama.  That is one truly fucked up place.  The scary part is that my daughter was just accepted into Auburn.  

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Ultimark wrote: The GOP is the party that tells us (or used to) that character counts.  This shit with Roy Moore is disturbing and I understand they are allegations.  However, the defense of this is now truly bizarre.  An elected GOP official gave this response on the situation:

“Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus,” Alabama State Auditor Jim Zeigler told The Washington Examiner. “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here. Maybe just a little bit unusual.”

So, even if Moore did what his accusers claim, it is OK because of Joseph and Mary.  WTF????
Edit - elected at the state level in Alabama.  That is one truly fucked up place.  The scary part is that my daughter was just accepted into Auburn.  

So what you're telling me is that after all these centuries you think that religious nuts are going to start condemning pedophilia now?  This is their bread and butter.

But seriously, aside from the hypocrisy of Roy Moore and the GOP defending him while having a field day with Hollywood, I'm just over the less severe accusations.  If it's not rape and it hasn't happened this decade, I don't give a flying fuck, period, across the board for both people I like and people I don't.  Moore hit on teenage girls and they turned him down.  Spacey hit on a teenage boy and he walked away.  Don't give a fuck.  Nothing happened.  It was creepy and they said no.  It's not rape.  If that scarred them for life then toughen the fuck up and be glad that's the worst thing that ever happened to you.  You should be allowed to hit on people and we probably need one national age of consent that's much lower than it currently is to be consistent and stop infantilizing teens who are now routinely sexting and getting boob jobs. 

The religious nutjobs have a point here in the sense that we're babying teens far too long past the point of what biology and science (not God) intended.  This goes for not just sex but the liberal nutjobs with their helicopter parenting and stranger danger nonsense and letting kids live at home and play video games until they're 25.  Biology says when you hit 13 you fuck and work.  We don't need to go back to that but we sure as hell can't be a productive society if we push all that back 10-15 years like we are now.  We have a shit-ton of 20-something virgins living in their parents' houses who have never had a real relationship beyond a computer screen, never had a real job, and can't function in or contribute to society.  That's a lot more detrimental to their health and future than a 16-year old fucking a 30-year old and realizing later that it might not be the best move without getting the cops involved.  I worry a lot now about how I can raise my son without either one of us getting arrested.  If I let him walk to school by himself at 10, someone could call CPS on me.  If I let him see an old western and he draws a gun at school, someone could call CPS on me.  God forbid he sexts a girl in his class when they're both 15, he could end up in jail.  Can you imagine the technological options that will be available to him in 15 years and the hysteria that will result from "keeping girls safe" from them?  It's going to be madness.  Thank God this shit didn't exist when I was in high school or me and every boy in the school would still be in jail today.    

And yeah Louie CK asked permission to jerk off in front of women and some of them even agreed to it although they felt uncomfortable.  Don't give a fuck about that either.  It's creepy and unprofessional but tell him to go fuck himself or kick him in the nuts when he drops his pants.  He didn't force himself on anyone. 

The creator of "Mad Men" is the latest.  He told sex jokes in the office and made women uncomfortable.  Get over it.  Quit or report him ASAP.  Don't wait years and then make a federal case over a joke.

Wake me up when someone is actually raped, and raped by pre-2010 standards meaning they actually said no and were forced.  I'll focus my hate and disgust on those people.  Bill Cosby is the OG of this stuff and he's a real story.  That guy is a sick serial rapist.  Most of this other stuff diminishes the seriousness of that crime.  I don't give a fuck about any of this other nonsense and I know that every day now for the next 2 years I'm going to have to hear more of this, 99% of it completely trivial.  We need to get back to a time when you could hit on people and make jokes and maybe even have a drink with someone and not have it be a career-ending situation or a criminal case.   

That's my rant for the day.  Fuck it all.

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As it happens, I have a 14 year old daughter and I would fucking kill a 32 year old who did what he did to her. So, maybe it is personal to me. Also, bringing fucking religion into as some type of defense pisses me off to no end.

I also don't think we are babying teens by protecting them from fucking monsters. Not even sure what your point is there. You equate this with 20 + year old virgins living in the house?

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So it is OK that a 32 year old fondled a 14 year olds breasts and probably helps her in the long run because then she won't become a 20+ person living in her parents basement?

I appreciate that you don't give a shit about things like that. Fortunately, some of us do.

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I do agree with the point that every man is a target and that isn't right. Your analogies though are bizarre.

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Ultimark wrote: So it is OK that a 32 year old fondled a 14 year olds breasts and probably helps her in the long run because then she won't become a 20+ person living in her parents basement?

I appreciate that you don't give a shit about things like that. Fortunately, some of us do.

Oh stop, we both know I said nothing of the sort.  There's a whole point about arrested development that I'm making where sex is a relatively small component of it.  You just read the part you wanted to read. 

As far as the sex stuff goes, if someone did that to your daughter you have every right to beat the shit out of him and call the cops immediately but less of a right to wait 25 years until the guy became famous to drudge up old accusations that now cannot be proved or disproved.  I'm assuming as a caring parent you might want to get a jump on that pretty quickly, right?  Fondling someone against their will is sexual assault and goes far beyond hitting on someone, I made that point very clear.  You need to keep your hands to yourself.  I did not read he fondled someone, just that he hit on them.  At this point, who knows what happened?  Even the people involved won't have clear memories after all this time.  That's the point. 

You have a daughter and I have a son, so my concerns are going to be different.  I fear for the witchhunt mentality that could very well affect his life in another 15 years if we keep heading in this direction where every awkward mistake is a criminal matter instead of a learning experience.  That's how you actually get weird dudes like Louie CK.  Somewhere along the way during his younger years, he got some weird sexual hang-ups that have stayed with him even after becoming rich and famous.  We need to encourage normal sexual development.  I was reading an article not long ago about millennials and sex and dating, and man, these kids are fucked up today and are going to become perverted adults because of the cocoons they live in.  

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srossi wrote: Ultimark wrote: So it is OK that a 32 year old fondled a 14 year olds breasts and probably helps her in the long run because then she won't become a 20+ person living in her parents basement?

I appreciate that you don't give a shit about things like that. Fortunately, some of us do.

Oh stop, we both know I said nothing of the sort.  There's a whole point about arrested development that I'm making where sex is a relatively small component of it.  You just read the part you wanted to read. 

As far as the sex stuff goes, if someone did that to your daughter you have every right to beat the shit out of him and call the cops immediately but less of a right to wait 25 years until the guy became famous to drudge up old accusations that now cannot be proved or disproved.  I'm assuming as a caring parent you might want to get a jump on that pretty quickly, right?  Fondling someone against their will is sexual assault and goes far beyond hitting on someone, I made that point very clear.  You need to keep your hands to yourself.  I did not read he fondled someone, just that he hit on them.  At this point, who knows what happened?  Even the people involved won't have clear memories after all this time.  That's the point. 

You have a daughter and I have a son, so my concerns are going to be different.  I fear for the witchhunt mentality that could very well affect his life in another 15 years if we keep heading in this direction where every awkward mistake is a criminal matter instead of a learning experience. 
You typed it, not me.  I also was directly referring to the Moore situation and stipulate that it is alleged.  However, part of the defense from an elected official in AL is that even if Moore fondled a 14 year olds breasts as a 32 year old, that is OK because of the age difference between Joseph and Mary.  That was the point I was making.  You took that and made it something else altogether in your self admitted rant which had very little to do with what I actually posted.  
Despite your displeasure if something else of interest comes to light in this situation I will post on it.  And, I do NOT think religious people have a point here. 

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srossi wrote:
You have a daughter and I have a son, so my concerns are going to be different.  I fear for the witchhunt mentality that could very well affect his life in another 15 years if we keep heading in this direction where every awkward mistake is a criminal matter instead of a learning experience.    

This is pretty much where I'm at with all of this. 
I would bet every single one of us made some sort of "awkward mistake" growing up, and probably more than one. I know I did, and I'm glad I was allowed to pay for them by learning that I had fucked up and feeling shame about being such an idiot, and then not doing it again.
I have already chronicled my own disgust with the things happening now that to me take away from the real assaults and sex crimes perpetrated by some since everything has to equate now. It drags down the serious stuff where most won't want to pay enough attention to see the difference. I hate that. But it's a reality now.



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Ultimark wrote: srossi wrote: Ultimark wrote: So it is OK that a 32 year old fondled a 14 year olds breasts and probably helps her in the long run because then she won't become a 20+ person living in her parents basement?

I appreciate that you don't give a shit about things like that. Fortunately, some of us do.

Oh stop, we both know I said nothing of the sort.  There's a whole point about arrested development that I'm making where sex is a relatively small component of it.  You just read the part you wanted to read. 

As far as the sex stuff goes, if someone did that to your daughter you have every right to beat the shit out of him and call the cops immediately but less of a right to wait 25 years until the guy became famous to drudge up old accusations that now cannot be proved or disproved.  I'm assuming as a caring parent you might want to get a jump on that pretty quickly, right?  Fondling someone against their will is sexual assault and goes far beyond hitting on someone, I made that point very clear.  You need to keep your hands to yourself.  I did not read he fondled someone, just that he hit on them.  At this point, who knows what happened?  Even the people involved won't have clear memories after all this time.  That's the point. 

You have a daughter and I have a son, so my concerns are going to be different.  I fear for the witchhunt mentality that could very well affect his life in another 15 years if we keep heading in this direction where every awkward mistake is a criminal matter instead of a learning experience. 
You typed it, not me.  I also was directly referring to the Moore situation and stipulate that it is alleged.  However, part of the defense from an elected official in AL is that even if Moore fondled a 14 year olds breasts as a 32 year old, that is OK because of the age difference between Joseph and Mary.  That was the point I was making.  You took that and made it something else altogether in your self admitted rant which had very little to do with what I actually posted.  
Despite your displeasure if something else of interest comes to light in this situation I will post on it.  And, I do NOT think religious people have a point here. 

There are 15 subjects right now on this board on similar topics.  I could've typed this in any of them.  I'm allowed to expand on a point and not stick to exactly the topic you started.  I'm commenting on all of it.  Comparing Roy Moore to characters from a fairy tale book is obviously stupid and we all know about the GOPs hypocrisy.  Shitting on religious nutjobs is like shooting fish in a barrel, they have mental deficiencies and weaknesses believing in any of the stuff they believe in anyway, so it shouldn't be a surprise when they say stupid stuff.  So there, I made a direct comment related to your post.  I used that as a jumping off point to go beyond that.  The rest of the rant goes for everything we've been discussing the past 2 weeks.  The timing of the Roy Moore allegations are certainly relevant to all the Hollywood stuff and can be discussed together, with your permission of course. 

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OK - fair enough Rossi. I do get some of the points you are making for the record. Years ago my wife wanted me to pick up one of her friends teenage daughters and bring her back to my house where I would be alone (my daughters had sporting events) for almost 3 hours. I flatly refused. After explaining the type of risk that could expose me to, she understood.

KHawk - I am not talking about awkward interactions when we were all teens. A 32 year old with a 14 year old is not acceptable ever. Again, don't know if it is true. My point was the religious angle to defend the behavior. That is what I found to be repugnant.

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Srossi - I am granting you permission to post. JK

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Ultimark wrote: Srossi - I am granting you permission to post. JK
I'm glad we could settle this online without you buying a plane ticket to NYC. 



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Just for the record - it would be easier for me to take a train.

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