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 Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2017 04:40 pm
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My wife's cousin visited us on Saturday. She is a proud socialist who thinks Obama was basically the 3rd and 4th term of GWB. However, she is wildly inconsistent. On the one hand, she will not vote for anyone who doesn't support 100% gov controlled, universal health care (no incremental steps allowed), yet on the other hand bemoans the Bernie people who didn't vote for Hillary.

Now she is saying that it is Warren or nothing for 20.

Anyone who thinks it is impossible for Trump to win in 20 is not facing reality.

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Ultimark wrote: My wife's cousin visited us on Saturday. She is a proud socialist who thinks Obama was basically the 3rd and 4th term of GWB. .
Well she couldn't be more right about that part.  Seems indisputable to me.



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Ultimark wrote: My wife's cousin visited us on Saturday. She is a proud socialist who thinks Obama was basically the 3rd and 4th term of GWB. However, she is wildly inconsistent. On the one hand, she will not vote for anyone who doesn't support 100% gov controlled, universal health care (no incremental steps allowed), yet on the other hand bemoans the Bernie people who didn't vote for Hillary.

Now she is saying that it is Warren or nothing for 20.

Anyone who thinks it is impossible for Trump to win in 20 is not facing reality.

A lot of what we consider socialist in this country is actually quite moderate when compared globally.
There are 2 things I am extremely socialist on, healthcare and education.  I believe people with money scam this system far worse than the poor.
I don't want a communist or pure socialist economy, but unbridled capitalism begets just as much corruption.



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srossi wrote: Ultimark wrote: My wife's cousin visited us on Saturday. She is a proud socialist who thinks Obama was basically the 3rd and 4th term of GWB. .
Well she couldn't be more right about that part.  Seems indisputable to me.

Bushcare?

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KGB - I thought of that as well. As bad as Obamacare was, Trump has managed to fuck it up even more.

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Been ages since I admired any President.

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Ultimark wrote: Been ages since I admired any President.
Calvin Coolidge was our last good president.



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According to CNN, White House Counsel Don McGahn told Trump that Flynn misled the FBI and should be fired *before* Trump told FBI Director James Comey to drop the investigation against Flynn. That explains why Trump’s lawyers are worried about obstruction.

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Yep. The timeline isn't good for Trump in that regard. Still, there is no mechanism other than Impeachment/Conviction or the application of the 25th amendment to take him out. They aren't close on Impeachment and are a universe away on the 25A.

As for the Russian thing, I am perplexed on why the Trumpers think this is some binary exercise. Flynn is giving them everything and that includes any collusion. IMO - I think Jared is in big trouble on that account. As for obstruction, Trump's own statements including his NBC interview make that pretty easy to prove beyond a reasonable doubt however not sure what they can do about it.

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I am amazed at how quick it has moved. Getting Flynn this early is saying something. He is near the top of the food chain.

I did have to laugh. Saturday I heard a Trumper refer to Flynn as an Obama appointee. Yea, one Obama fired and told Trump directly not to hire. These people really do live in an alt fact world.

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Not to mention the issue with his tweets over the weekend, admitting to obstruction. Only to have his lawyer say that HE tweeted it out.

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 Posted: Mon Dec 4th, 2017 08:14 pm
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I know. It is beyond bizarre. Trump is convicting himself on Twitter and doesn't seem to realize it. Since the R's have no balls, it doesn't matter. He has to be voted out and the Dems need to run a solid candidate.

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Trump isn't running. It's a publicity stunt- Wrong 
Trump is dead in the water after his speech on Illegals being rapists- Wrong
Trump will drop out of the primaries-  Wrong 
 Trump will tank after the John McCain dig-Wrong Trump won't win the nomination- Wrong
Trump is finished after the argument with Gold Star Father- Wrong
Trump is truly done after Hollywood access tape- Wrong
Trump will lose in a landslide-Wrong
Trump will lose after the recount- Wrong
The electors will break from tradition- Wrong
Trump will be impeached within two weeks-Wrong
The stock market will tank and lead to a global recession-Wrong
Donnie Jrs meeting with Russia will finish Trump- Wrong


See a pattern here?

Last edited on Tue Dec 5th, 2017 05:18 pm by BlueThunder

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Oh he will have to be voted out, no doubt. The party that openly supports Pedophiles has no shame. I completely agree with you.

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BlueThunder wrote: Trump isn't running. It's a publicity stunt- WrongTrump is dead in the water after his speech on Illegals being rapists-WrongTrump will drop out of the primaries- Wrong Trump will tank after the John McCain dig-Wrong
Trump won't win the nomination- Wrong
Trump is finished after the argument with Gold Star Father- Wrong
Trump is truly done after Hollywood access tape- Wrong
Trump will lose in a landslide-Wrong
Trump will lose after the recount- Wrong
The electors will break from tradition- Wrong
Trump will be impeached within two weeks-Wrong
The stock market will tank and lead to a global recession-Wrong
Donnie Jrs meeting with Russia will finish Trump- Wrong


See a pattern here?

So see, being morally bankrupt is the conservative/christian GOP platform.  Never again can you and your ilk claim you're moral.  At all.  You're ok with the lying and all of the proof out there that he's not in this to help anyone other than himself and his brand.

I don't recall anyone with credibility claiming that he'd be impeached within two weeks.  Most experts who followed the story and all of it's intricacies said that it could be at least a year or more.  So, if looking at it from that point of view, things are on schedule.

I don't know that he'll be impeached, I don't trust this GOP lead congress to do anything that will put their own jobs at risk.   But I do think he'll be voted out.  I've said all along, we'll wait and see.  And we have a bit to go before we know for sure.  

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