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 Posted: Mon Dec 18th, 2017 05:11 pm
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Caught the 9:00 AM showing of TLJ on Sunday morning.

My initial reaction when leaving the theater was disappointment. Of course I realize that I have put Star Wars on a huge pedestal and anything less than an amazing movie would be disappointing. Now don't get we wrong, I did not hate TLJ, in fact, I really liked TLJ, however, I still have that nagging feeling of disappointment lingering.

Here is what I did like.

The space battle scenes were great. The visual of the flying red salt during the battle on Crait was visually awesome. The hyperspace jump through the First Order ship and the use of sound (or silence in this case) was really nice. The quick glimpse of the underwater X-Wing on Luke's island was a nice touch. Surprisingly, I did not hate the Porgs. I though they were used sparingly and actually got a chuckle out of me a few times.

Which brings me to what I did not like about the movie, the forced humor. Poe basically prank calling Hux near the beginning kind of set the tone for the rest of the film. I just didn't work for me. Poe being the brash, arrogant Rebel pilot making the call makes sense, but it went on for way too long and seemed out of place. There were several other attempts at humor that failed. I love subtle humor in films that are not a comedy, but it was too in your face and to me seemed like they were trying too hard to be funny instead if just letting the humor come naturally.

There were two scenes that really bothered me. The first was the milking of the space cow by Luke and the dying, flying Leia scene.

The milking was just terrible. It was a lazy shot aimed at getting a reaction. My guess is that they were looking for humor, but got disgust instead.

With Leia dying, coming back to life, and then awkwardly flying back to the ship to knock on the fucking door was just pitiful. Then everyone just pretends it didn't happen and carries on. During this, another iconic Star Wars character, Admiral Ackbar, is killed as well. I literally cringed in my seat as Leia fly/floated back to the ship.

There were a few other things like the Kylo/Rey ongoing conversion in their heads which were also awkward but didn't bother me as much.

I'll end on the positive. The Showdown between Kyle Ren and Luke could have been longer, but it worked, even the swerve, for me. The showdown between Fin and Phasma also was good but should have been longer. The meeting of Luke and Leia was touching and pulled on the emotions tremendously.

And finally, the demise of Luke Skywalker. Luke is one of my childhood heroes and the hero of millions of young boys my age. I pretended to be him on many occasions throughout my childhood. The scene was shot brilliantly. One of the most iconic scenes from the original Star Wars was Luke standing on the hill and looking out over the setting double suns of his home planet. It was his coming of age, when he became a hero to millions. It was fitting that he met his demise in a similar way. Looking out over the horizon and just fading away.




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I must say that when Leia was blown out into space, I expected that to be her death scene and was surprised when she returned to the ship, apparently using previously untapped powers of the force. Then at the end, I assumed she would replace Laura Dern and be the one to pilot the ship on its kamikaze mission to save the rebellion, even if editing, CGI, and some reshoots with Dern post Carrie Fisher's death were necessary to make it happen. That she survived the movie surprised me and I'm not sure how they get out of this in the next film.

All in all, I enjoyed myself although Force Awakens, for being more fun, and Rogue One, for being a straight up action flick, entertained me more. The crowd this past Friday night ate it up and everyone went home happy. I have plans to see it again at least once, either this week or next depending on how schedules work out.

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I confess to not having seen TFA, Rogue One or now TFJ for a variety of reasons (time, money, etc) Which is sad considering I saw the original 3 films in the theater when they first came out.

Anybody else old enough to remember when they used to loop movies, you walked in at some point in the movie and stuck around for it to start over again?

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tamalie wrote: I must say that when Leia was blown out into space, I expected that to be her death scene and was surprised when she returned to the ship, apparently using previously untapped powers of the force. Then at the end, I assumed she would replace Laura Dern and be the one to pilot the ship on its kamikaze mission to save the rebellion, even if editing, CGI, and some reshoots with Dern post Carrie Fisher's death were necessary to make it happen. That she survived the movie surprised me and I'm not sure how they get out of this in the next film.

All in all, I enjoyed myself although Force Awakens, for being more fun, and Rogue One, for being a straight up action flick, entertained me more. The crowd this past Friday night ate it up and everyone went home happy. I have plans to see it again at least once, either this week or next depending on how schedules work out.

I agree. Putting her in place of Dern for the suicide mission jump to lightspeed would be a perfect heroic ending for Leia and pretty fucking bad ass.



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Saw it last night. I may be the only person alive that thinks this way but I liked it better than The Force Awakens. Let me state immediately that it is NOT a better movie than TFA, I just like it better. It's got SERIOUS flaws in it. One, there's good humor but some weak attempts at humor in this one. The scene with Luke milking that space cow or whatever was GROAN-worthy. And Brodie is right, the Leia flying back to the ship made me cringe it was so cheesy and so NOT well done. They missed SO many great ways to write out Leia and make her out as a real hero and they missed it.

That said, I loved the Rey-Kylo stuff, next movie is going to be great seeing them face off, good vs evil. I think the reason I loved this movie though more than TFA is they sent Luke out PERFECTLY. The first 5 min or so of Luke in the movie I'm like "OMG, what is this shit?" but then business picked up and I couldn't have written a better ending for the Luke Skywalker character. I mean, I grew up with Luke, as a kid that character was like IT to me and to have him go out using the force to project himself like that, then have him crawl up on that rock and stare at the double suns and fade out like Yoda as a force ghost? Perfect..

Like I told my friend last night, the first hour felt DANGEROUSLY like the Lucas prequels, the last 90 min or so redeemed it and won me over. This movie has it's flaws but I think it will fare better with repeated viewings..



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I thought it was a awesome movie. Sure a few flaws but a fun movie that takes the 3rd Trilogy in another direction.

I would think there would have to be a time jump of between 5-10 Years in the timeline in the next movie. So I think they will say Leia died sometime in the period.

I agree that having Leia take Dern's place would have been great.

There is now a online petition for The Last Jedi to be removed from canon. And hold off Episode 9 and Re-do Episode 8.

The "fans" hated TFA because it was a rehash of ANH. Now they hate TLJ because it not like the other movies.

This is why I hate "fans" of anything...



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The person admitted it on his Facebook page, Down With Disney's Treatment of Franchises and Its Fanboys, and it sounds like he's serious about it. He claimed to have created bot accounts to cause the audience score to drop. His post included a screenshot of the Tomatometer from the review aggregate site. Here's what he wrote:

Guess who's back? And yes it was me that caused this. While that vile troll page No More Legends had me banned, they set in motion my ultimate revenge plan against a person and a fanbase that attacked me and my friends like Brendan who had to leave his page Alliance to Defend the DCEU & Star Wars EU ou of intimidation as well as the good people in the The Alliance to Preserve the Expanded Universe group and The New Canon Criticism Page.

Thanks to friends of mine who taught me a thing or two about Bot Accounts, I used them to create this audience score through Facebook accounts created that subsequently logged into Rotten Tomatoes who rigged this score and still keep it dropping.

It astounds me how I successfully bring out the worst in all of you and turn all of you against Disney. The Anti-EU fans bought this on themselves and I did what had to be done.

Shall we create something similar for Avengers: Infinity War?



He sounds like a classic evil villain but some would say that Disney is an evil empire, but who cares? This just sounds immature and is probably trolling for attention. I wouldn't be surprised if the audience score was rigged but I wouldn't be surprised if it was legit either. A lot of fans online have expressed disappointment about The Last Jedi, and you can read the Top 13 Reasons Why Some Star Wars Fans Hate The Last Jedi here.



Star Wars: The Last Jedi is now showing in theaters.

Read more: Mark Hamill Talks About Luke And Leia’s Reunion In Star Wars: The Last Jedi



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I liked it. Not as much as TFA, but I'd put it in the top 4 or 5 of the series.

Yeah, the milking was gross and Leia floating was lame and poorly done, and some of the humor was forced, but over all I enjoyed it.

I liked the mind-meld thingy between Rey and Kylo. I loved the use of silence in the background.

I really liked the code breaker & hope to get more of him in the future.

I liked the way Luke went out. It was much like the way Ben died only cooler.

I thought the whole casino scene was drawn out and relatively pointless other that to introduce the code breaker and get the back story on those kids. Maybe they will play a bigger part, or maybe that was just to show that the rebellion gives hope to the weak.

I know it couldn't happen, but when Kylo asked Rey to rule the galaxy together I was really hoping she was going to say yes. The end of the Jedi, the end of the Sith, the end of the rebellion, and a new Empire. They didn't have to rule it as an Evil Empire. It would have started a clean slate for the next movie instead of the same old rebels vs. empire. I kind of liked that idea.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: I know it couldn't happen, but when Kylo asked Rey to rule the galaxy together I was really hoping she was going to say yes. The end of the Jedi, the end of the Sith, the end of the rebellion, and a new Empire. They didn't have to rule it as an Evil Empire. It would have started a clean slate for the next movie instead of the same old rebels vs. empire. I kind of liked that idea.
I thought for a second she was going to join him as well. It would lead into a whole new direction. Might have been interesting.



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What’s odd is that the rotten tomatoes score was initially super positive. Reviews were off the chart positive over the first two days. Then, Monday morning, after everyone had been fed the internet’s thoughts and “group think” over the weekend, then we started hearing the complaints. Kinda unbelievable but this is a microcosm of how the media and internet works.



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Saw it last night and avoided this thread until then.  I still haven't really read it in detail.  I liked the movie.  My 2 friends hated it.  And every single thing they said was captured in this article:  http://toofab.com/2017/12/17/star-wars-the-last-jedi-why-fans-hate-it/

I can't disagree with any of those points.  I still liked it because I don't view the Star Wars franchise with rose-colored glasses.  The original was filled with bad acting, cheesy dialogue, and plot holes (some of which were filled decades later).  It is what it is and it was never "Cassablanca".

Leia surviving the blown-out cockpit, that was the worst one for me.  Everyone in the theater groaned at that.  That was too much.  And The Force is looking a bit too much like Marvel superpowers now for my liking.  But that's really my main criticism.

I thought the movie was better acted than most in the franchise, especially the first 2 dreadful prequels.  I came to care a lot more about the new generation of characters (Rey, Po, Finn, Kylo) in this movie than in TFA.  The special effects were off the charts without distracting from plot, again like in the prequels.  The action scenes were very good, although more "Saving Private Ryan" and less iconic lightsaber battles.  The directing, especially during the scene when Laura Dern's character crashed into the enemy ship going into hyperdrive was really awesome.  This movie made we want to go back and watch TFA again.

I recognize all the complaints though, and I hope that some of the stuff, especially involving Rey's backstory, is resolved more to satisfaction in the next episode.  They need to pull out something good for that one because now Luke and Han are dead and Leia will most likely need to be killed off (or have a very small CGI part), so these new characters need to carry the next one.  I can see hardcore fans really revolting against it.  It's much like WWE not getting new talent over and then running out of older stars to draw a crowd.  Star Wars lost their older stars and better make these kids worth watching soon.  I do think they took a step in that direction with TLJ.



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If they're smart they just announce Leia's death during the opening scrawl and not bring it up again. No CGI, no thing of the sort.

I thought most of the forced humor was out of place for the movie. The first hour was kind of a mish-mash, IMO, and had me checking my watch. Once Rey saw the thousand copies of herself in the pit, I thought it picked up nicely and turned into a great movie.

The last 30 min. or so were some of the most enjoyable in recent movies to me. Rey and Kylo teaming up, Luke and Leia reuniting, Luke facing down an attack squad solo...just really great beats and made it feel more like a Star Wars movie than a lot of what led up to it.

Overall I liked it. I didn't think it was as good as TFA but it's a very good movie



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The one thing I missed is at the end Rey had the Jedi books that were thought burned up in the fire.

So just like Luke during the 6 months/year between TESB and ROTJ she can make herself a strong Jedi.



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bpickering wrote: The one thing I missed is at the end Rey had the Jedi books that were thought burned up in the fire.

So just like Luke during the 6 months/year between TESB and ROTJ she can make herself a strong Jedi.




There was another thing a lot of people seem to have missed but I noticed it immediately in the movie. At the end, where that kid is standing there on the casino planet, and he's got that rebellion ring on, when he walks out to sweep up, he uses the force to pull the broom to him..it's very quick but noticeable if you're paying attention, he sticks his hand out and the broom moves into his hand from like a foot away..very cool...



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