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 Posted: Thu Feb 1st, 2018 05:16 am
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Payday was today.  I’ll take it!  Thanks Donald!

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My wife and her fellow teachers have gotten more in their checks for a while now. I get paid monthly and got the same this month as last, to the penny. So I really don’t know who this is affecting and who it’s not.



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I think it depends on the employer uploading the new tax tables...i guess. I did not think they were out but i just checked and yep, less to uncle sam and more to me. I’m good with it...

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Heck, so happy I decided to drink a Chateauneuf du Pape on a Wednesday.

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I get paid biweekly and this is an off week. My company said they'd have the tables implemented by the next paycheck, so I'll have to wait a few more days to see what's up.



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Ours are supposed to kick in on next week's paycheck. Going by stuff I read online, wife and I should bring home between $85- $100 more a month, where I live and work that's a NICE increase. Will pay most of my Directv bill..



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Married Jo wrote: Ours are supposed to kick in on next week's paycheck. Going by stuff I read online, wife and I should bring home between $85- $100 more a month, where I live and work that's a NICE increase. Will pay most of my Directv bill..
Individually or together?

My paycheck went up a whopping $68.00 a month

I get that people are happy and that for some families, this is a big deal.  But I hope all of you realize that this won't last long and that it'll disappear over the next few years.  All while the big money earners benefit off of this by keeping millions while the rest of us get scraps.

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You're going to need all that extra money when cheap imports are no longer cheap.

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Mine went up about $60/month. I'm grateful.



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Kriss wrote: You're going to need all that extra money when cheap imports are no longer cheap.
This is a fair point, but I'm so tired of hearing the talking point about how it's not going to last and the rich made out better than you did.  1) It's not going to last because the Democrats didn't vote to have it last, plus nothing lasts forever and almost anything Trump does is going to be ripped apart just like Trump is ripping apart a lot of what Obama did and 2) the economy has never been a zero sum game and someone else doing better than you doesn't diminish what you have so stop fucking whining. 



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: You're going to need all that extra money when cheap imports are no longer cheap.
This is a fair point, but I'm so tired of hearing the talking point about how it's not going to last and the rich made out better than you did.  1) It's not going to last because the Democrats didn't vote to have it last, plus nothing lasts forever and almost anything Trump does is going to be ripped apart just like Trump is ripping apart a lot of what Obama did and 2) the economy has never been a zero sum game and someone else doing better than you doesn't diminish what you have so stop fucking whining.

The democrats didn't vote for it to last because of how it's structured to pay for those tax cuts to the rich and what funds are left over, are being budgeted in for an increase in military spending while several dozen other programs lose funding altogether.  You may not give a shit now, but it will affect you...your kids and everyone over the next decade.




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DaNkinator wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: You're going to need all that extra money when cheap imports are no longer cheap.
This is a fair point, but I'm so tired of hearing the talking point about how it's not going to last and the rich made out better than you did.  1) It's not going to last because the Democrats didn't vote to have it last, plus nothing lasts forever and almost anything Trump does is going to be ripped apart just like Trump is ripping apart a lot of what Obama did and 2) the economy has never been a zero sum game and someone else doing better than you doesn't diminish what you have so stop fucking whining.

The democrats didn't vote for it to last because of how it's structured to pay for those tax cuts to the rich and what funds are left over, are being budgeted in for an increase in military spending while several dozen other programs lose funding altogether.  You may not give a shit now, but it will affect you...your kids and everyone over the next decade.

I'm well aware and obviously I'm not in favor of the military spending in particular, but my point is that these policies are fluid and are going to be changed again 5 times before my kid is old enough to have a job.  And honestly it's likely only going to get worse whether the next "tax reform" is championed by a Republican or a Democrat because they're all looking to take our money.  So yeah, I'll gladly take what I can get for now.  Liberals love talking about "voting against your best interests", but this is a perfect example of liberals doing that by bitching about having some of their stolen money returned to them.  Just take it!  

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So, all this extra money everyone now has has made the stock market folks fear that inflation and interest rates are going to go up. And now the markets are in freefall. Another thing Trump has beaten Obama at, a one-day Dow Jones drop.



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I really would like to know who, who is at least in the realms of the administration, was aware of that risk. I have to believe Trump will go to his grave not understanding it.



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indikator wrote: I really would like to know who, who is at least in the realms of the administration, was aware of that risk. I have to believe Trump will go to his grave not understanding it.
Not really any worse than his other economic misunderstandings.

He touted his great ideas to lessen the trade deficit.  No such luck Captain Cheeto -

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/06/trump-trade-disaster-325749?lo=ap_f1

President Donald Trump came into office promising to reduce the U.S. trade deficit — and by that measure alone, his first year might be considered a dud.
The U.S. trade deficit increased more than 12 percent in 2017, to $566 billion — its highest level since 2008, according to figures released on Tuesday by the Commerce Department.

The bilateral trade deficit with China rose to a record $375 billion in 2017, and trade gaps with Mexico, Canada and Japan also increased.
During the 2016 campaign, Trump repeatedly zeroed in on the trade deficit, hammering it as a cause of U.S. economic decline and placing the blame on U.S. leaders, whom he accused of worshiping “globalism over Americanism.”

“This is not some natural disaster, it’s a political and politician-made disaster,” he said in a June 2016 speech in Monessen, Pennsylvania. “Very simple. And it can be corrected and we can correct it fast when we have people with the right thinking.”

Most economists, however, dispute that trade deficits are a sign of “American carnage,” as then-candidate Trump put it. Trade deficits tend to rise when times are good because businesses and consumers have more money to spend. Some of that spending is on goods and services produced in the United States and some is on goods and services from overseas. The last big drop was in 2009, when the United States plunged into the Great Recession and both imports and exports fell sharply.

Still, by Trump’s own litmus test, he not only failed to solve the problem, he arguably made it worse by signing a massive tax bill expected to add at least $1 trillion to the U.S. budget deficit over the next 10 years. That will require the United States to borrow more money from abroad, which has the effect of pushing the trade deficit higher, said Phil Levy, a senior fellow at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.
“I think your story should be titled 'the trade deficit is growing and that’s a good thing,'” said Christine McDaniel, a senior research fellow at the George Mason University Mercatus Center, a free market think tank. “There is no relation between the trade deficit and industrial decline or success."

While the trade deficit expanded during Trump’s first year in office, for instance, the U.S. unemployment rate fell to its lowest level in 17 years as employers hired more than 2 million additional workers. The U.S. economy picked up steam, helping to push the stock market 25 percent higher, although it has fallen in recent days on inflation fears.
“When you look in detail at the trade deficit, not only are imports going up, exports are going up. It’s just the fact that the United States is growing at a slightly faster pace than Europe and Japan at this point, or its primary trade partners in Canada and Mexico,” said Joe Brusuelas, chief economist at RSM, a financial advisory firm aimed at mid-sized companies. “This is a win-win for everyone.”

Both sides of the trade deficit debate agree that Trump did nothing in 2017 that can be seen as helping to reduce the trade deficit. While he recently announced tariffs on solar products and washing machines, those items account for a tiny fraction of overall U.S. imports, which totaled more than $2.8 trillion last year.
“They’ve got a lot of irons in the fire and some of the things that they are proposing are good ideas” that could help balance trade, said Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch. “But if you look at ... the laws and policies in force, they are the same as they were a year ago and not surprisingly, you have the same kind of results that Trump attacked as a candidate.”

Those irons include two Commerce Department investigations that could lead to tariffs on aluminum and steel imports from around the world to protect U.S. national security — a rarely-used justification that could be copied by other countries to the detriment of U.S. exports.
The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative is also conducting a separate probe that could lead to restrictions on Chinese imports in retaliation for Chinese policies and practices that force American firms to transfer valuable technology.

“I have very serious concerns about the long-term ramifications of justifying protectionism under the guise of national security,” said Clark Packard, trade policy counsel at the R Street Institute, a public policy research group that promotes free markets and limited government. “If your goal was to completely unravel the international trade system, I think natural security would be the string you would pull because countries are given such wide latitude to restrict imports in the name of security.”
There’s more justification for the USTR probe aimed solely at China's forced technology and intellectual property practices, but “any attempt by the Trump administration to cut the trade deficit using trade policy would be a mistake. Imposing tariffs is going to be a drag on the economy and you’d see retaliation against American exports, potentially ensnaring unrelated industries,” Packard said.

So, what could Trump actually do to reduce the trade deficit if going at it through trade policy is a dead end?

“You have to rewrite the tax code to reduce incentives for consumption and increase incentives for Americans to save,” McDaniel said. “Going at it through trade policy — it’s not only clumsy, it’s just not going to work.”

Guess he didn't have people with the right thinking after all.

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