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 Posted: Fri Feb 16th, 2018 10:37 pm
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I would agree to an armed presence on school grounds. However, only for very well trained individuals. The idea of having teachers armed is beyond ludicrous. I don't want them making that life or death decision. Leave it in the hands of professionals. That would be a good place to start for the safety of our kids at school but will the pols spend the money? I mean don't we need it for the wall and the welfare programs?

That would only be the start. The slaughter will continue unabated. Of that, I am 100% certain.

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Ultimark wrote: Kriss wrote: wittman2 wrote: Kriss wrote: wittman2 wrote: broke wrote: When some backwoods yokel's right to have an automatic weapon trumps your children's right to life, your country is beyond saving.
Plus side, Rubio is getting roasted like a little bitch for his pathetic spin on this. 

Except AR-15's aren't automatic. 


Is that honestly your contribution to the discussion? Pathetic.

I think the biggest issue is all the money in politics which means that many of your elected officials are being paid by the NRA not to debate this.

Arguing about the minutia of the nomenclature of guns? It'll just keep on happening if you think that's the way to go.

Wow thoughtful insight as always Kriss. Way to have an open mind and not be a raging douche. Thoughts and prayers indeed.
The type of gun isn't the issue. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to change the magazine of a handgun. So unless we go back to muzzle loaders, the laws need to be stricter and/or changed, not the herd mentality of "BAN ALL TEH GUNZ!". 



What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

You felt the most important thing to point out was that he got his gun terminology wrong. I'm telling you nothing will change while the gun manufacturers can pay off the politicians through the NRA.
I have no issue with law abiding people owning guns.  I am a gun owner myself.  However, any attempt to apply any sensible reform has been meant with steadfast resistance by the NRA.  I agree with Kriss that all you really need to do is to follow the money.  At the end of the line, that is absolutely what this all boils down to.  They use propaganda to misdirect.  I even know people who SWEAR the founding fathers did not write a "well regulated militia" in the 2nd A and that was added by "libruls" later on.  Really.  

Well, first the NRA is not an organization that defends 2nd Amendment rights.  They are a Republican fundraising arm and lobbying firm.  They sell out 2nd Amendment rights all the time when it doesn't suit Republican narratives, particularly when it comes to lawfully armed citizens getting murdered by cops.  So fuck the NRA.  I know many, many conservatives and Libertarians who no longer support them.  Organizations rarely have anything to do with the causes they supposedly support.  The NRA, PETA, GLAAD, the NAACP, all groups in the business of raising money and trading them for political favor and power while the higher-ups in the organizations make a fortune.

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Ehm.... I don't really think that hip teenagers would all be like "OMG, I want to be on the evening newzzz". They want Instagram followers, not TV news crews



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indikator wrote: Ehm.... I don't really think that hip teenagers would all be like "OMG, I want to be on the evening newzzz". They want Instagram followers, not TV news crews
These aren't hip teenagers.  These are deeply disturbed loners who have mostly been alienated or picked on their whole lives.  They probably get bullied on Instagram if they have any followers at all. 



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Yea, they definitely don't fit that profile.

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the social climate is definitely a factor, in our day there were tons of disturbed loners who never killed anyone. the world was a lot smaller



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The FBI says it failed to investigate a specific report in January that Nikolas Cruz could be plotting a school shooting.
The agency said in a statement Friday that the tip should’ve been investigated thoroughly because it was a potential threat to life. Cruz has been arrested and charged with killing 17 people at a high school earlier this week.
On Jan. 5, a tipster who was close to Cruz called the FBI and provided information about Cruz’s guns, desire to kill people, erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts. The FBI says the caller expressed concerns Cruz could attack a school.


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FFS. 



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People from the FBI should be fired over this. Should be jailed IMP for dereliction of duty. Then we can get to the pols who continually offer thoughts and prayers and then do absolutely nothing.

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Ultimark wrote: Further the founding fathers did NOT want to just anyone to have weapons. However, they understood the need to have citizens ready for war since we had almost no standing military when the Constitution was drawn up and war with either England or France was a definite possibility. Here is the actual text:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yes, they believed it needed to be regulated.

Except... the meaning of "regulated" at the time the Constitution was written, especially as pertained to the military (militia), was more akin to describing soldiers as trained and skilled in firearms.  For example, during Paul Revere's ride he shouted to the home of John Hancock "the regulars are coming out!"  This was to alert the people of the area that actual British soldiers were on the march. 

A well-regulated militia meant a body of citizen soldiers who were armed and trained with a regularity and uniformity that would enable them to successfully wage war.  It didn't mean a militia under the regulatory thumb of this government or that.  



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Ultimark wrote: I would agree to an armed presence on school grounds. However, only for very well trained individuals. The idea of having teachers armed is beyond ludicrous. I don't want them making that life or death decision. Leave it in the hands of professionals. That would be a good place to start for the safety of our kids at school but will the pols spend the money? I mean don't we need it for the wall and the welfare programs?

That would only be the start. The slaughter will continue unabated. Of that, I am 100% certain.

A friend of mine is the principal at a local HS where I live. They have a gun in a lock box and she, the VP and one other have access to it. They all had to take CCW courses, go through some sort of psych testing, and put in a lot of hours with the local PD practicing active shooter situations before they put it into effect at the school. So I agree it requires a lot of training and implementation.
I'd love for someone to sponsor a bill that would mandate this- or even put it on a levy and see if the average joe voter would vote for it. 



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yes more guns is the solution !



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Ultimark wrote: I would agree to an armed presence on school grounds. However, only for very well trained individuals. The idea of having teachers armed is beyond ludicrous. I don't want them making that life or death decision. Leave it in the hands of professionals. That would be a good place to start for the safety of our kids at school but will the pols spend the money? I mean don't we need it for the wall and the welfare programs?

That would only be the start. The slaughter will continue unabated. Of that, I am 100% certain.
There was an armed cop assigned to the campus and was right there when the shooting started. I'm sure after the first 17 minutes of shooting he was just about ready to spring into action and take the perp down. God bless our police for keeping us safe.



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WongLee wrote: Ultimark wrote: I would agree to an armed presence on school grounds. However, only for very well trained individuals. The idea of having teachers armed is beyond ludicrous. I don't want them making that life or death decision. Leave it in the hands of professionals. That would be a good place to start for the safety of our kids at school but will the pols spend the money? I mean don't we need it for the wall and the welfare programs?

That would only be the start. The slaughter will continue unabated. Of that, I am 100% certain.
There was an armed cop assigned to the campus and was right there when the shooting started. I'm sure after the first 17 minutes of shooting he was just about ready to spring into action and take the perp down. God bless our police for keeping us safe.

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Married Jo wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Is there any other 1st world western nation where this shit happens as regularily? .
This shit didn't happen regularly HERE until around 30 years ago. So what changed in 30 years?

Gangster rap

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Big Garea Fan wrote: Married Jo wrote: Principal_Raditch wrote: Is there any other 1st world western nation where this shit happens as regularily? .
This shit didn't happen regularly HERE until around 30 years ago. So what changed in 30 years?

Gangster rap
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