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 Posted: Mon Jul 16th, 2018 05:25 pm
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DaNkinator wrote: Ultimark wrote: Dan - they did influence votes but not in the way where there were actually any Clinton votes in the booth that were changed to Trump.

It is funny to see Trump figuratively sucking off Putin. So obvious he has a bromance with him. Maybe they really do have pics on Trump. Hard to explain why Trump goes out of his way to overly kiss this guys ass.He did more than that today.  He straight up sold out America by saying that he believed Putin over our own intelligence agencies.
He is a traitor.
He is a moron for saying that since everyone knows they did interfere by creating fake news online.  That has been proven.  However, all because he is a complete moron doesn't make him a traitor either.  That is taking 1+1 and getting 3.  Now, perhaps that will be proven in the future.  It is not yet.  Being an idiot is not the same as Treason.  

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The brilliance of Trump though is that he knows exactly what his audience at that moment wants to hear and he gives it to them in a way that mines the emotions these people are already experiencing. That is all instinct. That is why he can change positions from one day to the next and say irrational and outrageous things without these people caring. He gets to their core emotionally. All else is forgotten. The next best I ever saw at it was Bill Clinton. He may have done it in a more refined way, but he did it nonetheless.

So, while Trump has control of these people, the R pols have no option but to heel like good little dogs. He is NOT going to jail. He will NOT be removed as POTUS. None of that will happen. He CAN win again, especially if the economy is still strong. However, the economy is never in more peril than when everything looks great. That is when bad surprises seem to happen.

So, get used to this Dan. My advice is to try and get some distance from all of it, otherwise it will drive you insane. I think he is going to get even more insane and his supporters will love every second of it.

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You're not wrong about how he mines the motions and gets his base riled up.

But we absolutely disagree that what he said isn't treason. They did more than interfere simply by creating fake news online. Jesus christ man, read the indictments. Research a little past the hot topics that come so fast because he IS such a moron to see the evidence.

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I know the ex-CIA chief said that, but seriously, you are going to drive yourself completely insane.

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Really, I'm good. Just calling it what it is.

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DOJ announces the arrest of Russian National Mariia Butina, age 29, for "infiltrating organizations having influence in American politics, for the purpose of advancing the interests of the Russian Federation."

She infiltrated the NRA. She's just been charged with being a Russian agent.

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Not against you at all, Dankinator, but when does the hammer come down on the Trump’s? I know it is a slow and methodical process, but I thought some kind of charge would have been brought before the Supreme Court nominations.

If there are charges going to be against The Donald, he will have done some serious damage in the meantime.

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So what I'm wondering is how he blames the US in general for the relationship with Russia in the past few years? You're basically telling your own people that they're the failures in this process.

Having lived here for 20 years now, It's been easy to see why so many people latch on to his rhetoric. There is such a large base of simpletons who live here (especially in this region) who have never traveled beyond their limited state borders and their linear educational path has compromised their ability to see anything beyond what their pastor/minister tells them to think.

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So what I'm wondering is how he blames the US in general for the relationship with Russia in the past few years? You're basically telling your own people that they're the failures in this process.

Having lived here for 20 years now, It's been easy to see why so many people latch on to his rhetoric. There is such a large base of simpletons who live here (especially in this region) who have never traveled beyond their limited state borders and their linear educational path has compromised their ability to see anything beyond what their pastor/minister tells them to think.
This

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Even Fox News is critical

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/16/putin-eats-trumps-lunch-in-helsinki-this-is-no-way-to-win-against-russia.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So what I'm wondering is how he blames the US in general for the relationship with Russia in the past few years? You're basically telling your own people that they're the failures in this process.

Having lived here for 20 years now, It's been easy to see why so many people latch on to his rhetoric. There is such a large base of simpletons who live here (especially in this region) who have never traveled beyond their limited state borders and their linear educational path has compromised their ability to see anything beyond what their pastor/minister tells them to think.


Raditch gets game, set and match in this thread with that post.  Damn, that is so true. 

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KGB wrote: DaNkinator wrote: KGB wrote: Any signs of collluuuusssiiiooonnn??
 
One thing to quietly take from Rosenstein's presser today was his statement that the Russians used cryptocurrencies to fund these operations.  Somewhere there are people trying to come up with the rationale to take down these currencies and ensure that central banks keep a monopoly on all your financials dealings.  Don't be surprised when they trot out the excuse that banning Bitcoin and others simply has to be done in the name of national security. 
Not yet, but this is step 1.  The indictments show that GRU hacked the election.  Now it's about establishing who accepted took the stolen data.  It's a chess game and you're still playing checkers with your ignorance and lack of understanding. 
 
Step 1??  Two years into this and we're only on step 1?  Christ, how long is this going to take?

 
And please define "hacked the election".    The fuck does that mean?
Touche', so it's step 6 or 7 in a 10-15 step process.  Benghazi was FOUR years.  And nothing.  We're 14 months into this and have 31 indictments and 5 guilty pleas, plus Manafort.  So spare me the "how long is this going to take?" bullshit.  

"Hacked the election" means -
Plenty of information to read here
Cambridge Analytica was armed with Voter Registration files that they were using with scripts they wrote to target 50 million down to the precinct level.  Now we find their servers were being accessed from Russia.  Servers accessed by Russia which was simultaneously hacking our Voter Registration Files. Identify the most likely votes against you in areas where their data shows they were at risk and leave it on a Server for Russia to take it from.
This info is out there and easily accessible.  Just because you haven't taken the time to learn or understand what happened doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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Papa Voo wrote: Not against you at all, Dankinator, but when does the hammer come down on the Trump’s? I know it is a slow and methodical process, but I thought some kind of charge would have been brought before the Supreme Court nominations.

If there are charges going to be against The Donald, he will have done some serious damage in the meantime.
It's all happening pretty fast if you think about it.  How much longer, I don't know.  But Mueller has recently gotten another 25 or so open indictments lined up, so I think it steamrolls from here.  And yeah, he's already done serious damage. 

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Principal_Raditch wrote: So what I'm wondering is how he blames the US in general for the relationship with Russia in the past few years? You're basically telling your own people that they're the failures in this process.

Having lived here for 20 years now, It's been easy to see why so many people latch on to his rhetoric. There is such a large base of simpletons who live here (especially in this region) who have never traveled beyond their limited state borders and their linear educational path has compromised their ability to see anything beyond what their pastor/minister tells them to think.
We have to accept that there are huge masses of people who will turn on America if it means they get tax cuts or get to hate minorities and immigrants. That will not change. Trumpism, at its core, relies on the ignorance, uneducated, and prejudice of its base.

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Ultimark wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Ultimark wrote: Dan - they did influence votes but not in the way where there were actually any Clinton votes in the booth that were changed to Trump.

It is funny to see Trump figuratively sucking off Putin. So obvious he has a bromance with him. Maybe they really do have pics on Trump. Hard to explain why Trump goes out of his way to overly kiss this guys ass.He did more than that today.  He straight up sold out America by saying that he believed Putin over our own intelligence agencies.
He is a traitor.
He is a moron for saying that since everyone knows they did interfere by creating fake news online.  That has been proven.  However, all because he is a complete moron doesn't make him a traitor either.  That is taking 1+1 and getting 3.  Now, perhaps that will be proven in the future.  It is not yet.  Being an idiot is not the same as Treason.  I want to revisit this Ultimark.  I came across this and thought I'd share.
"Trump's hand-picked Republican Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, has the same intel on Russia's attack on America Trump has—by definition. It's undisputed. Or would be, if we didn't know that there is one difference between the two men's intelligence sources.

The one difference between the intel Coats has and the intel Trump has is that Trump has met privately with Russians on multiple occasions. He did so—without the necessary meeting attendees, including advisers and witnesses—in the Oval Office, at a prior summit, and yesterday.
So the only explanation for Trump saying that he "disagrees" with intel his own DNI is 100% on is if he's relying on the sources he has that DNI Coats doesn't—namely, Sergey Kislyak and Sergey Lavrov (the Oval Office), Putin (first summit), and again Putin (Helsinki summit).
So what did Trump do with the additional intelligence he received from the Russians in his three (at a minimum) protocol-busting meetings with hostile foreign actors? He used that intelligence—and the disagreement with Coats it bred in him—to attack the United States on TV.
In doing so, Trump literally was acting as an agent of Russia, relying on Russian intelligence as his marching orders in spreading dangerous propaganda on international television. THAT is why Brennan called his actions treasonous—because they literally (by law) are.

Lest you say, "What if he thinks the U.S. intelligence he's receiving is false?", realize that *if he in fact believed that*, he'd have a duty under his Oath of Office to root out and publicly identify who was spreading false (made-up) intelligence. But he can't and won't.
To be clear, "rooting out and publicly identifying who's spreading false intel" wouldn't involve Trump alleging FBI agents were biased against him—all investigators have personal biases. He would need to have unimpeachable evidence of a "deep state" conspiracy against him.
In 18 months, Trump hasn't produced a single piece of evidence, publicly or privately, of a "deep-state" conspiracy against him—and indeed all his claims (e.g. wiretapping) have been proven false. So we're as far from the "unimpeachable" evidence Trump would need as we can get.
The bare minimum Trump outing himself as a Russian agent—in legal terms—should result in is an immediate, Watergate-style bipartisan commission to investigate whether the president's use of Russian intel to harm U.S. interests was caused by him being compromised by Russia.
Instead, the GOP has failed to demand Trump explain his intelligence sources—either by admitting he's using Russian intel to attack America or by demanding that he provide actual proof that he received false intelligence *about Russia's actions* from his own intel community.
The reason Trump has never offered any proof that he's received false intel about Russia's actions as part of some deep-state conspiracy is because no such proof exists—he has literally zero defensible basis for saying any of the intelligence Coats provided him is false.
Think about this....How have Putin and Mueller responded? Putin literally said he supported Trump because Trump said he'd normalize US-Russia relations; Mueller charged the *woman Trump made that statement to in 2015* with being a Russian agent. The question—did Trump know she *too* was a Russian agent?  I'd bet a very big yes.

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