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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Of course a ton of '80s sitcoms that are fondly looked back on today were just atrocious.  "Full House", "Perfect Strangers", "Growing Pains", these are impossible to watch now other than for nostalgia and wondering what people were thinking that not just kids but even adults of the '80s were watching this stuff.

Not just sitcoms. The standard of TV drama today compared to the 80s and 90s is night and day. Shows that were staples back in the day that wouldn't get past mid-season today. Even successful shows like Baywatch and Walker, Texas Ranger would have no chance today. Then you have the dross like Thunder in Paradise, Martial Law and Street Hawk.
What? You didn't like Martial Law? LOL .  It was so bad I had to watch.
My nominees are Manimal and Me and the Chimp

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: srossi wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: "Two Broke Girls"
Good call, what a horrendous show.  And it lasted way longer than it had any right to.  And it was a show all about hipsters in Brooklyn that was filmed in California with the worst NY sets I've ever seen.
But... tits

The one with the tits was ugly as balls. The blonde without the tits was actually the attractive one. See,
See, we can't even agree on that.  I'd take Kat Dennings any day of the week, but great call on the show Two Broke Girls.  The show is a total affront to the human race.  I unfortunately caught a couple episodes at dinner time when I forgot to change the channel from the previous show.  The show typifies the character one says something air headed, character two replies with an inuendo-laden punchline style of writing.  Completely bereft of actual situational humor. 


For once in my life I agree with KGB.  
Your take on the show is correct.  One person says a line and Kat zings them with an obvious come back.



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The Ultimate Sin wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: srossi wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: "Two Broke Girls"
Good call, what a horrendous show.  And it lasted way longer than it had any right to.  And it was a show all about hipsters in Brooklyn that was filmed in California with the worst NY sets I've ever seen.
But... tits

The one with the tits was ugly as balls. The blonde without the tits was actually the attractive one. See,
See, we can't even agree on that.  I'd take Kat Dennings any day of the week, but great call on the show Two Broke Girls.  The show is a total affront to the human race.  I unfortunately caught a couple episodes at dinner time when I forgot to change the channel from the previous show.  The show typifies the character one says something air headed, character two replies with an inuendo-laden punchline style of writing.  Completely bereft of actual situational humor. 


For once in my life I agree with KGB.  
Your take on the show is correct.  One person says a line and Kat zings them with an obvious come back.


It was a formula that was hugely successful with "Two and a Half Men", and I was embarrassed for America that it was so popular.



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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: srossi wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: "Two Broke Girls"
Good call, what a horrendous show.  And it lasted way longer than it had any right to.  And it was a show all about hipsters in Brooklyn that was filmed in California with the worst NY sets I've ever seen.
But... tits

The one with the tits was ugly as balls. The blonde without the tits was actually the attractive one. See,
See, we can't even agree on that.  I'd take Kat Dennings any day of the week, but great call on the show Two Broke Girls.  The show is a total affront to the human race.  I unfortunately caught a couple episodes at dinner time when I forgot to change the channel from the previous show.  The show typifies the character one says something air headed, character two replies with an inuendo-laden punchline style of writing.  Completely bereft of actual situational humor. 


For once in my life I agree with KGB.  
Your take on the show is correct.  One person says a line and Kat zings them with an obvious come back.


It was a formula that was hugely successful with "Two and a Half Men", and I was embarrassed for America that it was so popular.
It was actually the adult sitcom version of Ashley Tisdale and Brenda Song's characters  from the suite life.

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srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: srossi wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: "Two Broke Girls"
Good call, what a horrendous show.  And it lasted way longer than it had any right to.  And it was a show all about hipsters in Brooklyn that was filmed in California with the worst NY sets I've ever seen.
But... tits

The one with the tits was ugly as balls. The blonde without the tits was actually the attractive one. See,
See, we can't even agree on that.  I'd take Kat Dennings any day of the week, but great call on the show Two Broke Girls.  The show is a total affront to the human race.  I unfortunately caught a couple episodes at dinner time when I forgot to change the channel from the previous show.  The show typifies the character one says something air headed, character two replies with an inuendo-laden punchline style of writing.  Completely bereft of actual situational humor. 


For once in my life I agree with KGB.  
Your take on the show is correct.  One person says a line and Kat zings them with an obvious come back.


It was a formula that was hugely successful with "Two and a Half Men", and I was embarrassed for America that it was so popular.

Were you embarrassed by Two and a Half Men, too?  That's another show that would get my vote for worst of all time.  When you watch The Odd Couple you're witnessing two men who are adults, dealing with adult issues.  By the time you get to Two and a Half Men, you've got the same premise but the characters are completely adolescent.  It's cheap humor and from show to show the characters and dialogue are all essentially the same.   I caught a few minutes of the old Will and Grace show and the rot was clearly evident at that point.  The humor of every character was predicated on the same premise:  She's funny because she's neurotic, he's funny because he's fruity (and neurotic), she's funny because she's got a squeaky voice (and is neurotic), he's funny because he's strait-laced (and neurotic).  Combine neurotic characters with heaping spoonfuls of body humor and you've just described Friends and pretty much every post-Friends sitcom.   



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lobo316 wrote: Angelic Assassin wrote: Sledge Hammer was pretty terrible.
Then there was a cop show, a comedy that was so bad it lasted all of one episode. 
Cant seem to come up with the name of it.


I loved Sledge Hammer. To each his own.

I actually liked it myself and his partner( not his gun) but the broad was pretty hot. But in reality it was good awful. Try watching it now. Kind of painful.



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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote: KGB wrote: srossi wrote: Arnold_OldSchool wrote: srossi wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: "Two Broke Girls"
Good call, what a horrendous show.  And it lasted way longer than it had any right to.  And it was a show all about hipsters in Brooklyn that was filmed in California with the worst NY sets I've ever seen.
But... tits

The one with the tits was ugly as balls. The blonde without the tits was actually the attractive one. See,
See, we can't even agree on that.  I'd take Kat Dennings any day of the week, but great call on the show Two Broke Girls.  The show is a total affront to the human race.  I unfortunately caught a couple episodes at dinner time when I forgot to change the channel from the previous show.  The show typifies the character one says something air headed, character two replies with an inuendo-laden punchline style of writing.  Completely bereft of actual situational humor. 


For once in my life I agree with KGB.  
Your take on the show is correct.  One person says a line and Kat zings them with an obvious come back.


It was a formula that was hugely successful with "Two and a Half Men", and I was embarrassed for America that it was so popular.

Were you embarrassed by Two and a Half Men, too?  That's another show that would get my vote for worst of all time.  When you watch The Odd Couple you're witnessing two men who are adults, dealing with adult issues.  By the time you get to Two and a Half Men, you've got the same premise but the characters are completely adolescent.  It's cheap humor and from show to show the characters and dialogue are all essentially the same.   I caught a few minutes of the old Will and Grace show and the rot was clearly evident at that point.  The humor of every character was predicated on the same premise:  She's funny because she's neurotic, he's funny because he's fruity (and neurotic), she's funny because she's got a squeaky voice (and is neurotic), he's funny because he's strait-laced (and neurotic).  Combine neurotic characters with heaping spoonfuls of body humor and you've just described Friends and pretty much every post-Friends sitcom.   

That's what I'm saying  "Two and a Half Men" was the popular show, "Two Broke Girls" never reached that level.  People actually complained that the show got bad after Charlie Sheen left, but it was at such a low standard to start with that wouldn't be possible.

And the original "Will & Grace" was OK.  Lots of cheap humor but a few decently written episodes too.  The reboot is as big an abomination as I've ever seen.  It's just awful.  They decided to go over-the-top and now everyone is acting as goofy as Karen and Jack when before at least Will and Grace were the semi-normal ones.  I can't watch it anymore. 

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The cop show I referenced earlier was Public Morals.The original episode was apparently scrapped and the one episode that did air was supposedly worse.

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Arnold_OldSchool wrote: Erick Von Erich wrote: Circa 2001, I would do a lot of those consumer surveys. I was mailed a VHS copy of a TV pilot called "Dads". Egads... it was horrible. The tape was coded some way so that it would erase as soon as it ran, so you were only allowed one viewing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crSt5XqqmN4
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Holy cats! That's it. I only remembered the long-haired goofy guy on the playground. I had to answer some questions and provide some comments about the pilot, after watching. That was REALLY hard.
While the YouTube link credits "Dads" as being 1997, I definitely received the tape in the 2000-2002 era. It could've been produced in 1997, but sat around until 2000-2002.

The self-erasing tape--- I have no idea how it was possible. I remember that I was still really into VHS tapes, so I kept the tape around my house to re-use. Finally went to re-use it and, just for giggles, checked to see if it did erase itself. Yup, it did. Weird.
One popular sitcom that I absolutely hate is "Big Bang Theory". Everyone tells me: "oh, you'd like that show, since you like nerd stuff!" I've tried, and while I do understand most of their (shitty) references, the best description of that show is probably: "nerd blackface". Nerd stuff or not, I think the jokes and gags on that show are awful. Thankfully I have a VERY small sample size, but I really despise that show.

Around spring 1994, MTV had some "experimental" drama series called "Dead at 21". I was the target audience, but it was quite terrible.

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Oh...I kinda' liked "Martial Law". With Sammo Hung and (later) Arseniooooooo Hall.

I wanted to bang the blonde detective chick who was in the first few episodes.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Oh...I kinda' liked "Martial Law". With Sammo Hung and (later) Arseniooooooo Hall.

I wanted to bang the blonde detective chick who was in the first few episodes.

I don't remember her but I know there was an incredibly hot Asian chick on this show.

I remember "Martial Law" as being a fairly fun show that was stuck in the death slot on Saturday night, so not much was expected of it.  I'd always be out and tape it sometimes.  Jackie Chan was all the rage back then, so they gave this chubby guy who was in Jackie Chan movies back in Hong Kong his own TV show.  Why not?  To a TV exec, this makes perfect sense.  To make things better, unlike Chan, who spoke passable English, the star of this show spoke about as much English as Shinsuke Nakamura.

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Right with ya', srossi. I used to tape it, as well.

Looked up the blonde chick-- Google "Tammy Lauren Martial Law". She was only in the first 6 episodes and I think my viewership tailed off, after that.

"Martial Law" felt like something that would've been on USA-- like that crappy "Silk Stalkings" series. I'm sure we could dig up a ton of stinkers from USA in the 90's. Like that show about cops on bikes or "whatever show came on after RAW" in the late 90's.

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Erick Von Erich wrote: Right with ya', srossi. I used to tape it, as well.

I actually have fond memories of this because watching "Martial" Law" became part of my Sunday morning hangover routine when I was in my very early 20s.  The only problem was, I'd forget to tape it half the time back in the days when you had to physically put in a VHS tape and spend a good 3 minutes programming it.  It took real dedication to tape shows in the days before one-click DVRs. 



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"Martial Law" starred Sammo Hung who has had a long career as a Hong Kong based movie star, producer, and fight choreographer. It was no work of art, but was fine for what it was and was exactly what its audience wanted. It was unpretentious and wasn't looking to win any awards. I tend to think of truly bad shows as those with some horrible concept that doesn't come off right, have aspirations for high art that aren't met or shows with a tortured development and production process.

This is sort of a spinoff, but one way to tell when a show is bad is when there are major changes during the first and often only season. Characters are dropped. Settings are changed. The tone gets switched up. Sometimes the focus of the show is altered from one character to another or to an ensemble. Stunt casting occurs for guest starring spots. Sometimes these changes get a show turned around. Often, however, it digs a show into a deeper hole from which it can't climb out.

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Benlen wrote: Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Of course a ton of '80s sitcoms that are fondly looked back on today were just atrocious.  "Full House", "Perfect Strangers", "Growing Pains", these are impossible to watch now other than for nostalgia and wondering what people were thinking that not just kids but even adults of the '80s were watching this stuff.

Not just sitcoms. The standard of TV drama today compared to the 80s and 90s is night and day. Shows that were staples back in the day that wouldn't get past mid-season today. Even successful shows like Baywatch and Walker, Texas Ranger would have no chance today. Then you have the dross like Thunder in Paradise, Martial Law and Street Hawk.
What? You didn't like Martial Law? LOL .  It was so bad I had to watch

Martial Law kicked ass! It can thank Jackie Chan for its television run since Chan had recently broke onto the US movie scene with "Rumble In The Bronx". Plus it had a good timeslot partner with Walker, Texas Ranger.

Gotta give Sammo Hung props! Big dude his size able to do a backflip? Unreal!

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