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 Posted: Sat Oct 13th, 2018 08:51 pm
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TerryWWWF wrote: WongLee wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: WongLee wrote: TerryWWWF wrote: Those were all No. 1 on the R & B charts, not the Billboard Hot 100.Sooooooooo....because it's colored race music it doesn't count?

The designation "No. 1 record" applies to the Billboard Hot 100, which has been the standard for decades. Being No. 1 on the R & B chart is like being No. 1 on the Easy Listening chart. It's competition limited to a particular genre of music.
Kind of like the difference between an "All-America" football player and a Small College All-America football player.
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. However, they still went to the top of the charts even if it was "only" a sub-genre. Maybe they could get the band back together and try to get on top of the white mans chart :cool::tongue:It's not the "white mans chart," it's the chart, the one that's always cited.
By the way, KC & The Sunshine Band had four No. 1 hits on the Billboard R & B chart, and front man KC is only slightly less white than Bob Backlund.
Well that's where it starts. Next thing you know they'll be listening to swing music, smoking marijuana, and dancing with colored folk.



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beejmi wrote: Stupid question: Once you allow 'R & B' aren't you opening the door to 'Hip Hop' in the R & R Hall of Fame?

Hip hop is already in so I don’t get the question. And I really don’t see much resemblance between R&B and hip hop anyway, other than black people play it. But blues is black too and all the rock pioneers started there and are in the HOF. 



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The connection to R&B and Hip Hop stems from the sampling of the former by the latter and the fact that so many rap songs from the last twenty years have R&B singers and R&B songs have rap verses, not to mention that you now have a lot of rappers who are flat out singing. I think of the two as intertwined since the early 1990s.

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The 2019 inductees will be:

Def Leppard (winner of the fan vote)
Radiohead
Stevie Nicks
Janet Jackson
The Cure
The Zombies
Roxy Music



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Maybe the worst class ever, Def Leppard had 1 good album, Radiohead is a hipster band that if I heard them on the radio I couldnt tell you who they were, Janet Jackson is a cheese pop diva and deserving of being honored but it a separate pop wing (with Madonna, Etc)
The Cure - a ok 80's post punk band probably deserving
Stevie Nicks, again her pop solo career was 1 good album
Zombies- very deserving
Roxy Music good band hipster before there were hipsters



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Count Grog wrote: Janet Jackson is a cheese pop diva and deserving of being honored but it a separate pop wing (with Madonna, Etc)
It's true. She's the Harold Baines of pop music.



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WongLee wrote: - Def Leppard - definitely yes. They sold several metric tons worth of albums. Not without its controversy though. I firmly believe Pete Willis should be up there. Do you ignore Vivian Campbell who has been with them (and everyone else seemingly) for well over 20 years?

- Devo - as far as originality goes. A definite yes. They have a boatload of great tunes and were indeed very popular in the late 70's and 80's. Borderline choice.

- Janet Jackson - Janet was a super-duper star for a while almost in the same ballpark as Michael. She was gutsy enough to experiment with different genres of music and was a fashion icon. Maybe

- John Prine - I went over to KKKlassics to see if Crimson Danny was salivating at the thought of this guy going in. Surprisingly he wasn't. If Dan Chernau doesn't think he's good enough, WongLee doesn't think he's good enough

- Kraftwerk - even Kraftwerks moms don't like Kraftwerk. The Fuhrer would have thrown these guys in Treblinka and have been done with them.

- LL Cool J - the guy was a massive star in his day. Decent actor too. But then you have the age old argument do colored hippity hoppity guys belong in a R8R HOF.

- MC5 - everyones kneejerk reaction is usually...YES, YES, HELL YES. But can you name one song besides Kick Out the Jams? Plus that song was only famous because they used the word motherfucker. Yeah they influenced a subgenre of music that was never that big to begin with. Neckbearded critics from the 70's through the 90's thought these guys were revolutionary but me, I'll take the Stooges anytime.

- Radiohead - probably yes because they were huge. Not a fan at all. However, millions are so that trumps me.

- Rage Against the Machine - sure. Great songs, great live band. But keep in mind, these guys aren't revolutionaries along the lines of Che and Pancho Villa. They are millionaire rock stars who sleep on mattresses stuffed with hundred dollar bills.

- Roxy Music - loved these guys in the 70's. Great, great albums and fashion icons. They will not make the cut though.

- Stevie Nicks - Stevie is just an enormous talent. Her solo albums are easily as good as anything Mac put out. I would vote yes.

- The Cure - too depressed to type anything

- Todd Rundgren - as a producer this is a no brainer. As a performer, totally meh.

- Rufus & Chaka Khan - I would vote yes. No, my "white guilt" is not making me do so. I say these guys at Shea Stadium in 1975 and they rocked as hard as any of their contemporaries. Everyone in this band were elite level musicians. Very enjoyable to listen to and watch on stage. Plus, for the decade of the 70's, Chaka Khan was the hottest woman on the planet. That was until her manager kept giving her two-fer coupons to Arbys.

- The Zombies - why?

Out of this list I rated these as the following:1. Stevie Nicks. As the Wonger said, she could sing her ass off.2. Janet Jackson. "Sorry Ms. Jackson, ooh, I am for real" She went against the grain at times and even had a few hard rockin' type of songs.3. Todd Rundgren. Incredible producer.4. LL Cool J. had some great songs and is a multi- faceted talent.5. Rage Against the Machine. Huge Tom Morello fan6. Rufus & Chaka Chan. great middle of the road band.
The Rest, nah.



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Erick Von Erich wrote: That Alice in Chains/Warrant story is interesting. When AiC first came out in late 1990 with the single "We Die Young", they were going for that hair band/pop metal vibe. I remember seeing it and thinking they were like a Lynch Mob, Babylon AD, Love/Hate or any other second/third level metal band.

Then, about 3-4 months later, they released "Man in the Box" as a single and they had changed quite a bit... even though it was the same album. So, uh, good marketing?

That summer (1991) they were the opener on the "Clash of the Titans" tour with Slayer and Anthrax. They were almost boo'ed off the stage when they played the Red Rocks (Denver) stop.

So I always thought the "grunge" thing was a little unfair, especially to AiC and Soundgarden. I feel that they were metal bands, first, and got lumped with grunge for marketing purposes.

Alice In Chains opened up for Van Hagar around 1991 or so and someone threw a beer bottle at Layne Staley and he stormed off the stage. Before leaving he said, "Fuck Philly and fuck Van Halen". Good times.



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