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Summary of what I have read so far (feel free to correct or add any details)...

Migrant caravan makes a break for it, crosses the Tijuana River, and attempts to cross the border into the US illegally. Some news reports state that some of the migrants are throwing rocks and assaulting border patrol. Other news reports state that the migrants are being non-violent and are just trying to cross the border.

Some reports state that the majority of migrants are families seeking to escape deplorable conditions while other reports state that the majority of the migrants are single males with gang-related criminal records.

Agents at the border use tear gas to squash the border crossing. Since they are part of the migrant group, women and children are exposed to the tear gas. Now medical doctors are weighing in that the children could develop lifelong medical problems as a result of the tear gas exposure.

Additional report of migrants being injured during the border crossing attempt. Most interesting one I have read so far is that one woman impaled herself on rebar when trying to scale the border fence while her children watched. The woman was treated at a local hospital for non-life threatening injuries (many infuriated that the US taxpayers are gonna foot the bill for her care)

Social media is in an uproar as people blame Trump for authorizing the use of tear gas on children. Other praise Trump for the tear gas use to keep the invaders out of the US at all costs (the migrants shouldn't be using the children as human shields). There seems to be a 50% split on the number of the "c'mon in - doors are open" supporters vs. the "fuck 'em, we are full" team.

Some conspiracy theorists think this whole thing has been orchestrated so that Trump can get the $5 billion dollars that he has been demanding for the border wall.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 28th, 2018 02:06 am
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Tough situation. One thing I found weird was seeing some of the migrants waving flags of their countries. Wouldn't it be in their best interests to wave an American flag?

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What we need to do is watch out for the crappy legislation and policy changes that are being made while we are being distracted by the migrant caravan.
Something that will fuck most of us over is getting ready to happen.  

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Democrats run Congress now. They're not funding shit unless they get something their way.

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I must be living in the Twilight Zone. I can't believe there are actual Americans outraged at what transpired a few days ago. First off, Honduras is a violent shithole. They have 10x the homicide rate the U.S has. Anyone with two working brain cells should know that what we've been doing on the border for the last 30 years will just invite bad people from said shithole.


These people are not asylum seekers. They ceased to be asylum seekers once they rejected Mexico's offer of refuge. What was that old saying about beggars and choosers?


So this "caravan" ignore the authorities of Mexico and the U.S by bum rushing and throwing bottles and rocks. They're lucky all they got was non-lethal gas. Sorry, but anyone who sides with these illegal aliens over our government is anti-American.


What should be done? Trump should tell the Congress to fuck off and use his power as the Commander-in-Chief to build the wall by using military funds. This is an emergency situation. It'll invariably go to SCOTUS, and I'm sure he'll win 5-4.

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I saw an kind of interesting conspiracy theory on Facebook about this. The theory is that the caravan is a staged event funded by someone like Soros. The main reason they think it's staged is because the caravan marched all the way up to Southern California. They could have shave 1,500 miles off their journey if they went to Brownsville Texas. Hey, I'm amused easily.



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US should teargas a few more kids. You know, to make America greater!



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Send them all back

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Ron wrote: Send them all backNot enough Ubers to do that.

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My ancestors immigrated from Ireland during the 1840's the time of the Famine. At the time Ireland was considered to be a "shithole" country; violent law breakers drunks and so on. The vast majority of the people were not, they were just people trapped in a hellish situation looking to do better for themselves.

How is the situation today any different?



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The way this story has developed has been strange. Conspiracy theories on both sides. The right saying that the caravan was some kind of plot by the Dems. The left saying that we wouldn't here about the caravan after the midterms and that they weren't a threat. None of this was true. Just some poor souls who think that walking for thousands of miles to enter a country whose president says they are not welcome. We're a rotten species who deserve a comet or an alien invasion.



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Cause they were white...(not necessarily the right kind of white for some people though) and these are brown (which is not the right kind of color for many in key positions) The funny thing is, there are a large amount of illegal Canadians who live stateside. Having gone through the green card process years ago, this country is not set up cost wise for anyone who doesn't have a large amount of $$$ to try to come here legally.

What's interesting is that even those who do come here legally through H1B's like I did, you still have a ton of people pissed because they think they're still not the right people (ie in medical field/tech field there are a ton of Indians who come on H1B's) Even those majority of these immigrants are more productive than 99% of the people who already live her, jim bob in West Virginia who dropped out of school in grade 7 still bitches that some Indians came and stole a job. Well most people here aren't educated well enough to fill that job or don't want to move to where that job is being filled. The America first bullshit when it comes to immigration is hilarious. I never had any intention of moving here. I had no interest. I was 27, living well in Toronto when I had a recruiter come after me to come and work here. I have 2 other Canadian's on my unit, and have worked with plenty more...and that's just in a small hospital in Kansas City. Somehow though I stole someone's job? Meh, I didn't steal shit. I filled a role that wasn't being done by a local.

Make no mistake about it. This type of stuff isn't just about illegal immigration. I live in an area filled with too many extreme right wing evangelicals who will give lip service to the idea that legal immigration = good, illegal = bad. But make no mistake about it...they hate the legals who aren't white, right wing conservatives and who dare challenge their ideals.

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What should the US do?

The answer to this is almost always "nothing".  About everything.  I'm reading a book about Coolidge now (the 3rd or 4th I've read about him).  What a fantastic and underrated president.  He made doing nothing an art form, he worked harder at doing nothing than anyone has ever worked at doing something.  And he was our best president of the 20th century. 

The biggest problem with politicians is that they all think they should be doing something.  And the more people hysterically claim that "You have to do something!", the more you know that it's imperative to do nothing. 

The shining moment of Obama's presidency was when Republicans shouted at him about doing something about the Ebola epidemic that would surely kill us all, and Obama calmly said that he would do absolutely nothing.  And that was his one good decision in 8 years, because everything else he did was something.  Can you imagine the government programs and freedom restrictions that we'd be stuck with today for absolutely no reason if Obama had done something? 

Imagine how much better the world would be today in retrospect if after 9/11 Bush did nothing.  No Patriot Act, no wars, absolutely nothing.  He would've been crucified, and he would've been right.  People made fun of Bush for reading to those kids in a befuddled state in the minutes after 9/11, but those were the best 15 minutes of his presidency, and the only honest ones.  If only he had read to those kids for 8 years instead of doing something. 

Almost always do nothing.  And if someone claims that kids will die, then do double nothing.  Anything done in the name of dead kids winds up being a million times worse than something.  I don't care about this silly topic because it's just the topic of the day that even Trump forgets to talk about sometimes in moments of lucidity.  It can be any topic, and the answer is almost always nothing. 

Unless the something is to undo something that was already done to get back to a blissful state of nothing.  Then do something to get back to nothing. 

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srossi wrote: What should the US do?

The answer to this is almost always "nothing".  About everything.  I'm reading a book about Coolidge now (the 3rd or 4th I've read about him).  What a fantastic and underrated president.  He made doing nothing an art form, he worked harder at doing nothing than anyone has ever worked at doing something.  And he was our best president of the 20th century. 

The biggest problem with politicians is that they all think they should be doing something.  And the more people hysterically claim that "You have to do something!", the more you know that it's imperative to do nothing. 

The shining moment of Obama's presidency was when Republicans shouted at him about doing something about the Ebola epidemic that would surely kill us all, and Obama calmly said that he would do absolutely nothing.  And that was his one good decision in 8 years, because everything else he did was something.  Can you imagine the government programs and freedom restrictions that we'd be stuck with today for absolutely no reason if Obama had done something? 

Imagine how much better the world would be today in retrospect if after 9/11 Bush did nothing.  No Patriot Act, no wars, absolutely nothing.  He would've been crucified, and he would've been right.  People made fun of Bush for reading to those kids in a befuddled state in the minutes after 9/11, but those were the best 15 minutes of his presidency, and the only honest ones.  If only he had read to those kids for 8 years instead of doing something. 

Almost always do nothing.  And if someone claims that kids will die, then do double nothing.  Anything done in the name of dead kids winds up being a million times worse than something.  I don't care about this silly topic because it's just the topic of the day that even Trump forgets to talk about sometimes in moments of lucidity.  It can be any topic, and the answer is almost always nothing. 

Unless the something is to undo something that was already done to get back to a blissful state of nothing.  Then do something to get back to nothing. 


I'm no fan of Bush, but in his defense, he would have been rightfully roasted if he didn't do anything about 9/11. He handled it wrong, but in the end, bin Laden was taken out. 

Trump was elected on his signature promise of border control. If he doesn't follow through, he's done. No offense to you or anyone else, but unless someone hasn't felt the adverse effects of illegal immigration, they can't possibly understand what makes others tick. I lived in a working class community that was mostly White ethnics and about 10-15% Americanized Mexicans. It was a mill town. There weren't Harvard bound kids, but it was a decent, safe community. There were no homicides or gangs. That all changed in 1990 when half the neighborhood became Mexican. Many of these were illegals. The neighborhood resembled the dump they came from. We were culturally enriched in the form of graffiti, burglaries, gang disputes, and shootings. The schools had to now accommodate bilingual kids. In short, the neighborhood turned to shit. I moved in 2003 when I got married because I didn't want my kids growing in that environment. What happened in my community wasn't isolated. Many communities changed for the worse. So yeah, when Trump gave his speech about thieves, rapists, and drugs, that instantly resonated with me. 

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Oh, and I'm also a fan of Silent Cal. Gotta question for you, Rossi. Did he not run in 1928 because he saw the Great Depression on the horizon?

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