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I am not getting it with the backlash against this commercial? 

https://youtu.be/koPmuEyP3a0



Why is the Me 2 Movement pissed? 

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Because the Me Too Movement is nothing more than a special interest group. Special interest groups cease to exist unless they're pissed at something. Even if that something is nothing.

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Yeah, I get the angry female stuff, but what is the substance of them being upset with this ad?

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No angry female stuff at all. I didn't mean that. I honestly think the Me Too Movement was started from the heart, and meant well when it began. True testimonials.


My point is now, like most of these groups that help people that need(ed) help, they eventually turn into special interest, sometimes radical groups. They usually have tunnel vision and try to destroy anybody who even remotely disagree with their personal views.


I personally don't see why MTM would disagree with this add, other than the fact it is very cheesy.



These ladies (and a few men) made a brave and courageous effort to go public and confront people in high power that took advantage of them, and that power. I was proud of them then, and I'm proud of them now.


But my point was - in my first post, MTM has become just another special interest group now. Guilty before innocent. Let's ruin lives just for fun.



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I didn't even know the #MeToo nuts were pissed at this, but they'll always find a way to get offended about something. I thought you were asking why men and conservatives were angry about this ad, because that's where I've seen the backlash.



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srossi wrote: I didn't even know the #MeToo nuts were pissed at this, but they'll always find a way to get offended about something. I thought you were asking why men and conservatives were angry about this ad, because that's where I've seen the backlash.
Yeah, that's what I thought he meant.  (Some) men have had to their back teeth with the assumption that by virtue of possessing a meat and two veg you're born a drooling rapist.  Make no mistake, when they say "toxic masculinity" they simply mean "masculinity". 
As for Gillette, fuck 'em.  I switched to Harry's a year ago because they're half the price.  Then, a few months ago, I went to order Harry's replacement blades online (this was before they got shelf space in Walmart and Target) and their web page was plastered with homosexual propaganda.  So I wrote them off, too.  Look, all you have to do is make an affordable, reliable product and I'll give you a chance.  Once you've got my money, it's yours to spend it how you see fit.  What I don't want is for you to pound me with the idea that you're going to use your product to bind me to your ideologies.  Whatever you think of Chick-fil-A, you don't get assaulted with conservative propaganda when you visit their online presence or eat at their restaurants. 
The good news is that Walmart has now started selling an equivalent to the Gillette Sensor/Harry's razor, under their Equate label, and it's even cheaper.  An 8 pack of replacement blades is only $11, about 1/3 the cost of Gillette, and so far I'd say the performance is just as good.  Problem solved.    



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Guess I'm dumb. I just don't get it. I don't but Gillette anyways because in stores there's a guy standing in the blade aisle offering bank loans so you can afford to buy Gillette products(kidding).
The Pound Me Too ( growing up this # meant pound, not hashtag would turn some guy peeling and orange into some psuedo-sexual assault against women if it fit their narrative.
Not saying most of the allegations aren't true but we live in a time where people spend more time analyzing and getting bent over things that mean nothing because their lives would be boring and pathetic or more so otherwise.
Guess I have to read up more but I really don't get the outrage.Women upset because none are shown shaving their bearded clam? I dunno.



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I learned that White males are sexual deviants and can only be contained by poc. Unfortunately for the Black maid that was groped by the White male, there was no courageous Black man to come to her rescue like the other two incidents. At the pool party, I can't figure out if the person coming to the defense of the girl was Black or Middle Eastern. If it was Middle Eastern, that would make a lot of sense. Middle Eastern men are renowned for being gentlemen when it comes to the opposite sex.


Seriously, this whole thing was just stupid. Race aside, what's wrong with wanting to approach an attractive female? Also, if my son was wrestling around with another kid and some pear shaped male with a high pitched feminine voice broke them up, I'd give him an earful about masculinity.

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The cheese factor is so through the roof it's almost impossible to take seriously.  It seems like an SNL parody at times.  The white guy lunging out of a doorway with his hands out in the classic "titty-grabber" pose while his black friend holds him back and says "Not cool, bro."  Come on, that one is laugh-out-loud funny.  It almost seems like they're trolling us.

I'm sure Gillette spent countless hours doing market research on how this would affect their image and bottom line and someone decided it was a good idea.  I don't get it and think that maybe they should just be trying to sell razors, but what do I know?

Anyway, this has been making the rounds to point out Gillette's hypocrisy.

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BlueThunder wrote: I learned that White males are sexual deviants and can only be contained by poc. Unfortunately for the Black maid that was groped by the White male, there was no courageous Black man to come to her rescue like the other two incidents. At the pool party, I can't figure out if the person coming to the defense of the girl was Black or Middle Eastern. If it was Middle Eastern, that would make a lot of sense. Middle Eastern men are renowned for being gentlemen when it comes to the opposite sex.


Seriously, this whole thing was just stupid. Race aside, what's wrong with wanting to approach an attractive female? Also, if my son was wrestling around with another kid and some pear shaped male with a high pitched feminine voice broke them up, I'd give him an earful about masculinity.

And the whole race thing is the other half of the "white male" equation.  For example, in the Gillette ad, as Blue Thunder pointed out, you can't help but notice that with one exception the troglodytes are white, while the "woke" men are generally POC.   Find me a commercial where the opposite is portrayed.  Just one.  Mind, I can show you 50 more that depict the white person (almost always a male) in a negative light.  It's racism on a scale comparable to the minstrel/Amos 'N Andy era, and fortunately more and more people are tired of trying to sheepishly ignore it. 
 
And BT's also right about the masculinity part.  Why is it wrong for a man to feel strong attraction to a woman?  Why is it wrong for two or more boys to rough house?  That's what I mean when I say that they really define all masculinity as "toxic".  Those are natural behaviors. The guy in the boardroom who condescended to the woman like it was 1950?  Seriously, has anyone here actually witnessed such a thing at their job?  Even once?
 
You're far more likely to have encountered something like this recent story out of Google (you know, the totally impartial and trustworthy near-monopoly that acts as gatekeeper for much of the information in today's world) where dozens of employees threw a royal fit over the use of the term "family friendly" during a company presentation.  You see, he-shes, ankle scratchers, rug munchers, and cat ladies tend not to have children, therefore the word "family" is a form of assault and... burn the witch!!!
 
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/01/16/google-family-triggered-meltdown/ 



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KGB wrote: The guy in the boardroom who condescended to the woman like it was 1950?  Seriously, has anyone here actually witnessed such a thing at their job?  Even once?

I've never seen anything remotely like that, and I worked at Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan, and financial recruiting firms that had them and companies like them as clients, for many years.  These would considered epicenters of toxic masculinity and I've never seen anything like that. 

Now at happy hours after work, yeah I saw some shit.  Even though this was only 10-20 years ago, it might seem like the '50s by today's standards.  Everyone would've been dragged to HR on a daily basis.  But it went both ways.  I had a female co-worker pinch my ass at a happy hour once when she was standing 2 feet from her husband and I was standing 2 feet from my girlfriend.  She was drunk, whatever, I somehow got over the intense emotional pain and found a way to move on with my life.

Another time we had to drag a guy of the bar when he kept hitting on this chick who wasn't interested to such an aggressive point that like 15 guys in the bar who didn't even know her were going to kick his ass.  And when I say we dragged him out, I mean we dragged him out.  I hooked one arm, another guy hooked the other, and 2 guys got his feet.  He wound up literally getting dropped (mostly accidentally, but we were a little annoyed too) in a pile of garbage bags on the street corner.  Then his fiancĂ© called him while he was still laying there and we were trying to get him a cab.  He was virtually incoherent by this point so one of the guys took the call for him and claimed he was in the bathroom but was coming home any minute.  That marriage never took place, and I'm wondering if it had anything to do with the state he was in when he got home that night drunk off his ass and smelling like garbage. 

My favorite story, which I think I told here before, is when we were at a company Christmas party.  Our company was heap so we had them in January to save on rates and they rented out the top floor of a lounge.  We had a co-worker who was always a little off, the typical Napoleon complex guido type.  He came in the first day on the job and told me he was my boss and the boss of 3 others and pulled us into a meeting where he laid out how he wanted things run.  an Hour later, we got pulled into another meeting by his boss who was like, "Yeah, there's been a major misunderstanding.  He's not your boss, disregard anything he said."  So that was how he started his 16-month run at our company.  So fast-forward to the Christmas party, we're all drunk but nothing too bad, especially for our standards at the time.  I had JUST had a 15 minute conversation with him where he seemed fine.  He says it's time for him to go.  5 minutes later, people come running up the stairs saying there's a fight.  We all run down to find him flat on his ass with a busted lip and a swollen eye.  What happened is that 2 black guys had called a taxi and were trying to get into it.  My co-worker tried to steal it.  There was some shouting and he called the black guys the "n" word.  They rightfully beat him, and not as badly as they probably should've.  So he comes into work the next morning (our party was a Thursday night instead of Friday night, maybe for cost reasons but that was typically our happy hour night anyway).  He looks like death.  His face is swollen and he's claiming he can't remember anything.  He asks me what happened and I tell him he needs to go home ASAP.  I'm dragging him out of the office when the big boss sees us and yells at him to get in her office.  15 minutes later, security is escorting him out and that was the last we ever saw of him.  From his LinkedIn I see he relocated to Florida and is still basically doing the same thing.  

From 1999-2009 I probably went to at least 2 happy hours a month, and since then I've been to maybe 2 total.  We used to drink from 6:00 PM - 2:00 AM regularly on Thursday nights and then come into work on Friday.  Now that I'm over 40, I can't even comprehend how we did that, and I also envy how much free time and energy I must've had back then because I come straight home, feed the baby, put him to bed, and am ready to pass out on my couch by 7:30 PM.

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srossi wrote: KGB wrote: The guy in the boardroom who condescended to the woman like it was 1950?  Seriously, has anyone here actually witnessed such a thing at their job?  Even once?


Another time we had to drag a guy of the bar when he kept hitting on this chick who wasn't interested to such an aggressive point that like 15 guys in the bar who didn't even know her were going to kick his ass.  And when I say we dragged him out, I mean we dragged him out.  I hooked one arm, another guy hooked the other, and 2 guys got his feet.  He wound up literally getting dropped (mostly accidentally, but we were a little annoyed too) in a pile of garbage bags on the street corner. 

 
And there's the rub.  If these cucks succeed in removing the stain of masculinity from much of the world, then who's left to confront the remaining men who won't adapt?  "Toxic" masculinity isn't just the creep who won't stop hitting on a girl, it's also the 15 guys in your story who were ready to kick his ass. 



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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: KGB wrote: The guy in the boardroom who condescended to the woman like it was 1950?  Seriously, has anyone here actually witnessed such a thing at their job?  Even once?


Another time we had to drag a guy of the bar when he kept hitting on this chick who wasn't interested to such an aggressive point that like 15 guys in the bar who didn't even know her were going to kick his ass.  And when I say we dragged him out, I mean we dragged him out.  I hooked one arm, another guy hooked the other, and 2 guys got his feet.  He wound up literally getting dropped (mostly accidentally, but we were a little annoyed too) in a pile of garbage bags on the street corner. 

 
And there's the rub.  If these cucks succeed in removing the stain of masculinity from much of the world, then who's left to confront the remaining men who won't adapt?  "Toxic" masculinity isn't just the creep who won't stop hitting on a girl, it's also the 15 guys in your story who were ready to kick his ass. 


I made a similar argument over at WC in the Kavanaugh thread. The good libs were convinced that Kavanaugh was running a rape ring for a couple of years. I attempted to tell them if this did actually happen, there would have been men that would have kicked the shit out of him. I know that would have been the case when I was going to high school parties that had liquor. 

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KGB wrote: BlueThunder wrote: I learned that White males are sexual deviants and can only be contained by poc. Unfortunately for the Black maid that was groped by the White male, there was no courageous Black man to come to her rescue like the other two incidents. At the pool party, I can't figure out if the person coming to the defense of the girl was Black or Middle Eastern. If it was Middle Eastern, that would make a lot of sense. Middle Eastern men are renowned for being gentlemen when it comes to the opposite sex.


Seriously, this whole thing was just stupid. Race aside, what's wrong with wanting to approach an attractive female? Also, if my son was wrestling around with another kid and some pear shaped male with a high pitched feminine voice broke them up, I'd give him an earful about masculinity.

And the whole race thing is the other half of the "white male" equation.  For example, in the Gillette ad, as Blue Thunder pointed out, you can't help but notice that with one exception the troglodytes are white, while the "woke" men are generally POC.   Find me a commercial where the opposite is portrayed.  Just one.  Mind, I can show you 50 more that depict the white person (almost always a male) in a negative light.  It's racism on a scale comparable to the minstrel/Amos 'N Andy era, and fortunately more and more people are tired of trying to sheepishly ignore it. 
 
 
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/01/16/google-family-triggered-meltdown/ 

Yep! Whenever there's a commercial for an alarm company, it's always the White guy that's the burglar. Other commercials always portray the Black man or his family as being rational, hip and normal, while the White guy is effeminate or just completely awkward.

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KGB wrote: srossi wrote: I didn't even know the #MeToo nuts were pissed at this, but they'll always find a way to get offended about something. I thought you were asking why men and conservatives were angry about this ad, because that's where I've seen the backlash.
Yeah, that's what I thought he meant.  (Some) men have had to their back teeth with the assumption that by virtue of possessing a meat and two veg you're born a drooling rapist.  Make no mistake, when they say "toxic masculinity" they simply mean "masculinity". 
As for Gillette, fuck 'em.  I switched to Harry's a year ago because they're half the price.  Then, a few months ago, I went to order Harry's replacement blades online (this was before they got shelf space in Walmart and Target) and their web page was plastered with homosexual propaganda.  So I wrote them off, too.  Look, all you have to do is make an affordable, reliable product and I'll give you a chance.  Once you've got my money, it's yours to spend it how you see fit.  What I don't want is for you to pound me with the idea that you're going to use your product to bind me to your ideologies.  Whatever you think of Chick-fil-A, you don't get assaulted with conservative propaganda when you visit their online presence or eat at their restaurants. 
The good news is that Walmart has now started selling an equivalent to the Gillette Sensor/Harry's razor, under their Equate label, and it's even cheaper.  An 8 pack of replacement blades is only $11, about 1/3 the cost of Gillette, and so far I'd say the performance is just as good.  Problem solved.    
If you use those fucking Equate blades along with the Equate shave gel, I can guarantee you haven't ever given yourself a better shave.  I was stunned.  I bought the Equate blades because I'm cheap, figured everything Equate I've tried was decent, so why not?  I've never gone back to Gillette.  My wife still uses Gillette to shave her box because she won't trust a no-name brand down there.



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