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 Posted: Tue Feb 12th, 2019 06:24 am
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Spatulapup wrote: The Grateful Dead. Could never get into them.
I agree with this one. Cool guys, but their music sucked.



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Considering the criteria in the OP, this thread begins and ends with KISS, and it's not even close imho!



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srossi wrote: KISS might be the answer when you use the correct definition of “overrated”. There’s a generation of people out there that consider them their Beatles, the reason they listen to music, the reason every band after them exists. And musically they’re awful but even in the areas where you have to give them some credit like stage shows, overrated is definitely the word.

I'll start with the fact that I'm a KISS fan so I'm not the most objective...

There was a generation of Musician that followed that list KISS as their biggest influence.  Their stage shows were game changing, and Paul Stanley is one of the greatest frontmen of all time.

KISS is the Hulk Hogan of Music.  They put tons of asses in seats.  Were they technically as a good as other musicians, no.  Les Thornton could wrestle circles around Hogan, but no one said come watch Hogan vs. Andre at WMIII it's going to be a scientific wrestling spectacular.  I've never heard anyone say Gene is a virtuoso on the bass, but they pop like hell when he spits blood and breath fire.

Have they hung around too long?  Of course, but people will keep giving them a pay day.  Have they screwed over a ton of people along the way?   Absolutely. Are they completely full of shit?  No doubt.  Just like Hogan.  Are they the most recognizable faces of their era?  No question.


I don't think you can say they are overrated because no one rates them as top notch musicians.  That's like saying Tom Brady is overrated at football because he sucks at tackling and blocking.  They are highly rated as stage performers and that is a fair ranking.



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Heenan Fan wrote: katook wrote: Add Led Zeppelin to the list, yes they had some good shit but for every one good there were 5 awful, unlistenable atrocities.That's your wrong opinion. I tell what, name all these unlistenable atrocities, The good still out way the bad. Seriously, you honestly think Zeppelin is overrated?

I would agree with Katook. I think Zep is in the same vein of Queen- their hits are hits indeed, but the rest of their tracks are mostly forgotten for good reason: they stink



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srossi wrote: broke wrote: Queen, and I think Freddie is one of the best vocalists of all time
I love Queen but I’ll say this, all their hits are masterpieces and all their non-hits aren’t just unlistenable, they’re not even rock. This is not a band that has a lot of hidden gems. They have 25 amazing songs and maybe 125 awful ones. If someone tries to play a Queen deep cut that isn’t named “Ogre Battle”, run. 


Their first album is a great 70s rock album, but this was before Freddie had any real influence on the band. Other than that, there are one or two album tracks that became popular in live sets such as Tie Your Mother Down and Spread Your Wings. But you are right, most of their albums are 2 or 3 great songs and 6 crap ones. If you watch Bohemian Rhapsody (the movie), you get a taste of why this was. They mostly wrote songs by themselves, and everyone got a couple of songs on each album. The great songs, everyone gave 100%, and you get what you got, their two albums of Greatest Hits. Then there is stuff like I'm In Love With My Car, which was a Roger Taylor song that Freddie didn't want anything to do with, and Taylor sings lead vocals. So, yeah, play Hot Space, and you'd wonder what all the fuss was about, but stick on a live album and they were fucking fantastic.



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Some strange answers here with Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Queen. I think even 5 all time classics take a band out of the overrated category, and these bands had more than that.

You could pick When I'm Sixty-Four and Wild Honey Pie claim the Beatles were overrated.

Maybe more one for the few Brits here, but I'll tell you who were overrated. Oasis and Blur. I loved them when I was 15, but it's just garbage now. I just didn't know any better.



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Kriss wrote: Some strange answers here with Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Queen. I think even 5 all time classics take a band out of the overrated category, and these bands had more than that.

You could pick When I'm Sixty-Four and Wild Honey Pie claim the Beatles were overrated.

Maybe more one for the few Brits here, but I'll tell you who were overrated. Oasis and Blur. I loved them when I was 15, but it's just garbage now. I just didn't know any better.

IMO if you're going to name overrated bands you might as well shoot for the stars.  Who rates Blur?  I barely know who they are.  And Oasis is known for one song and 100 fights.  Maybe it's a British thing. 

I love Zeppelin.  But they're fair game considering their plagiarism, although they re-worked those old blues songs to create something entirely different and innovative and awesome.  But to not give credit and pretend you never even heard of some of the songs you were lifting, that's just a dick move.  It was a different time before "sampling" was accepted and they didn't want to admit what they were doing, but that really was scummy, especially after they made millions and the bluesmen and their children were living in slums. 



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I wouldn't invest much time defending Blur, but I will say that Parklife is a brilliant album; I've always felt it was a worthy successor to The Kinks' Village Green Preservation Society.
Oasis... I was never a fan and don't own anything by them, but Johnny Marr seems to think they're all right and I wouldn't argue with him about music. 
Zeppelin??  Are you fucking kidding me?  I don't care how much of the first couple albums were ripped off.  As stated above, they reworked them in an original way.  And beyond that, they have song after song that are instantly recognizable and influential. 



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srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Maybe more one for the few Brits here, but I'll tell you who were overrated. Oasis and Blur. I loved them when I was 15, but it's just garbage now. I just didn't know any better.
Who rates Blur?  I barely know who they are.  And Oasis is known for one song and 100 fights.  Maybe it's a British thing.


From 1994-1997, the entire British music scene, "Cool Britannia", was Oasis vs Blur.



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The Beatles were overrated. When I'm Sixty-Four and Ob-La-Di Oh-Bla-Da are nursery rhyme quality.



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Heenan Fan wrote: Considering the criteria in the OP, this thread begins and ends with KISS, and it's not even close imho!
Coincidentally I was listening to a podcast about rock philosophy.  Journalist was saying Gene Simmons never wants to discuss KISS in interviews because he is so bored with his own music and during the soundcheck she attended they were playing Peter & The Wolf.  He only wanted to talk mediaeval history and Mrs Kiss was checking facts on her iphone.



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Kriss wrote: srossi wrote: Kriss wrote: Maybe more one for the few Brits here, but I'll tell you who were overrated. Oasis and Blur. I loved them when I was 15, but it's just garbage now. I just didn't know any better.
Who rates Blur?  I barely know who they are.  And Oasis is known for one song and 100 fights.  Maybe it's a British thing.


From 1994-1997, the entire British music scene, "Cool Britannia", was Oasis vs Blur.

And the view at the time was Oasis were plagiarists and Blue bandwagon jumpers.
The view of Oasis now hasn't changed.  But Damon Albarn of Blur is considered something of a genius, because he has constantly switched gear with different projects (Gorillaz, The Good The Bad & The Queen, and the rumour is he wrote the fantastic Elastica debut album). 



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I've not heard any of The Good, The Bad & The Queen, but Gorillaz is pretty spotty. Some very interesting tunes, but a lot of dreck.



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Papa Voo wrote: Rush

This willl have people going in defense mode. 


I hate them as well 



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