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 Can anyone give me a rough schematic on how these games were booked? Was every "spot" choreographed ahead of time? Were the scores pre-determined? Were the standings set up before the season even started? Funny how the Roller Derby packed 50,000 into Comiskey Park but the league was completely dead a couple of years later in favor of Roller Games.



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I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.



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srossi wrote: I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.Yeah I thought similar. Most of these guys and gals were experienced and like pro wres fighters, they could call the match right on the track. I'd like to know a bit more in-depth though. Did the teams know who was going to win that night before they went to the arena? Plus the bumps seemed brutal. Did they teach bumping in Derby school? Did the Roller Derby have their own Loo Theis?



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I am also unaware of how Roller Derby was booked, but think that if you put the question to Dave Meltzer on Twitter, he might be able to shed some light on it. He's from the Bay Area which was long one of the absolute Roller Derby strongholds and he was a fan who's written a fair amount about it, and to a lesser extent Roller Games, in the Observer.

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tamalie wrote: I am also unaware of how Roller Derby was booked, but think that if you put the question to Dave Meltzer on Twitter, he might be able to shed some light on it. He's from the Bay Area which was long one of the absolute Roller Derby strongholds and he was a fan who's written a fair amount about it, and to a lesser extent Roller Games, in the Observer.Tamalie I am totally serious when I say that you were the one guy on here who I thought would have the answer :tongue:



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The 1970's Roller Derby was more a form of sports entertainment and was choreographed but no idea to what extent.
During thst timeframe I don't think the outcomes of the matches mattered as much as the showmanship of the combatants.
I don't think anywhere is available a list of yearly records and champions. 
Today's Roller Derby is far more on the up and up.



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Angelic Assassin wrote: The 1970's Roller Derby was more a form of sports entertainment and was choreographed but no idea to what extent.
During thst timeframe I don't think the outcomes of the matches mattered as much as the showmanship of the combatants.
I don't think anywhere is available a list of yearly records and champions. 
Today's Roller Derby is far more on the up and up.
It was actually the Roller Games that were more like sports entertainment. They had a Figure 8 track to increase the mayhem. I think you're right about stats and standings being saved. I can't find any on the interwebs.



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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.Yeah I thought similar. Most of these guys and gals were experienced and like pro wres fighters, they could call the match right on the track. I'd like to know a bit more in-depth though. Did the teams know who was going to win that night before they went to the arena? Plus the bumps seemed brutal. Did they teach bumping in Derby school? Did the Roller Derby have their own Loo Theis?
Charlie O Connell, Anne Cuvello and Joanie Weston were the Lou Thez of Roller Derby.
They still have roller Derby schools and leagues in San Francisco though its not like what you use to see on TV.

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Benlen wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.Yeah I thought similar. Most of these guys and gals were experienced and like pro wres fighters, they could call the match right on the track. I'd like to know a bit more in-depth though. Did the teams know who was going to win that night before they went to the arena? Plus the bumps seemed brutal. Did they teach bumping in Derby school? Did the Roller Derby have their own Loo Theis?
Charlie O Connell, Anne Cuvello and Joanie Weston were the Lou Thez of Roller Derby.
They still have roller Derby schools and leagues in San Francisco though its not like what you use to see on TV.
Which actually leads to another question. In the 60's and 70's where did they recruit skaters from? There were a couple of wrestling schools in that time frame most notably Mae Young's out the Olympic Auditorium and Tony Santos on the East Coast in New England. But where did the Roller stars pop out from? It's funny that there was not one single crossover star who did both pro wrestling and the Derby/Games.



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WongLee wrote: Benlen wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.Yeah I thought similar. Most of these guys and gals were experienced and like pro wres fighters, they could call the match right on the track. I'd like to know a bit more in-depth though. Did the teams know who was going to win that night before they went to the arena? Plus the bumps seemed brutal. Did they teach bumping in Derby school? Did the Roller Derby have their own Loo Theis?
Charlie O Connell, Anne Cuvello and Joanie Weston were the Lou Thez of Roller Derby.
They still have roller Derby schools and leagues in San Francisco though its not like what you use to see on TV.
Which actually leads to another question. In the 60's and 70's where did they recruit skaters from? There were a couple of wrestling schools in that time frame most notably Mae Young's out the Olympic Auditorium and Tony Santos on the East Coast in New England. But where did the Roller stars pop out from? It's funny that there was not one single crossover star who did both pro wrestling and the Derby/Games.

The obvious answer is they popped out of their mother's vaginas.



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WongLee wrote: Benlen wrote: WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: I always wondered this myself. Pretty hard to work if you ask me. I always assumed they just basically created characters and feuds and big spots and couldn't possibly choreograph every spot.Yeah I thought similar. Most of these guys and gals were experienced and like pro wres fighters, they could call the match right on the track. I'd like to know a bit more in-depth though. Did the teams know who was going to win that night before they went to the arena? Plus the bumps seemed brutal. Did they teach bumping in Derby school? Did the Roller Derby have their own Loo Theis?
Charlie O Connell, Anne Cuvello and Joanie Weston were the Lou Thez of Roller Derby.
They still have roller Derby schools and leagues in San Francisco though its not like what you use to see on TV.
Which actually leads to another question. In the 60's and 70's where did they recruit skaters from? There were a couple of wrestling schools in that time frame most notably Mae Young's out the Olympic Auditorium and Tony Santos on the East Coast in New England. But where did the Roller stars pop out from? It's funny that there was not one single crossover star who did both pro wrestling and the Derby/Games.

The obvious answer is they popped out of their mother's vaginas.



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"Roller Games" was with the T-Birds and Ms. Georgia Haas, right?


There's a Roller Derby league in Houston. A friend of a friend is on one of the teams, she swears it's a shoot. Sure.

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: "Roller Games" was with the T-Birds and Ms. Georgia Haas, right?


There's a Roller Derby league in Houston. A friend of a friend is on one of the teams, she swears it's a shoot. Sure.

I’m pretty sure there are some shoot leagues now. 



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BuddyPSHayes wrote: "Roller Games" was with the T-Birds and Ms. Georgia Haas, right?


There's a Roller Derby league in Houston. A friend of a friend is on one of the teams, she swears it's a shoot. Sure.

I hink so. I recall the TBirds on Roller Games along with Wally George hosting the halftime show with a musical act. First time. I everI heard Bust A Move by Young MC.



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DJP wrote: BuddyPSHayes wrote: "Roller Games" was with the T-Birds and Ms. Georgia Haas, right?


There's a Roller Derby league in Houston. A friend of a friend is on one of the teams, she swears it's a shoot. Sure.

I think so. I recall the TBirds on Roller Games along with Wally George hosting the halftime show with a musical act. First time. I everI heard Bust A Move by Young MC.
If I remember correctly, I think that ESPN aired roller derby weekly either before or after AWA wrestling. This series featured a main storyline where Ms. Georgia Haas somehow got the contract of Randi Whitman from the LA T-Birds and forced her to skate for her team against her will. By the end of the season, somehow Whitman was reunited with her T-Birds team and the team won the championship.
I believe that RollerGames evolved a couple of years later that was syndicated and featured many of the same teams/players. However, the teams no longer had cities associated with them. For example, the Los Angeles Thunderbirds were now referred to as just the T-Birds. Again, Ms Georgia Haas was the featured villain and the storylines featured Ms. Haas capturing the contracts of "The T-Bird Twins" and the forced retirement/hall of fame induction of Ralphie Valedaris.
I enjoyed the ESPN version much better than the syndicated RollerGames version. While both shows were obviously "sports entertainment", the RollerGames version seemed too hokey and cartoonish to me (much like 80s WWF wrestling).

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