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 Posted: Mon Aug 5th, 2019 05:43 pm
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So like every year at my job, there's always a continual mess going on with Management. Back in Jan my former Manager quit ( no doubt helped out the door by a whistleblowing incident to JACHO, the overseeing body for Hospitals) At the time we had 15 RN's on days...4 quit/transferred immediately, and another 4 left when our new manager was announced back in May.  We had one move from Nights to days, but it still put us down to 8 RN's, pretty much 50% capacity.

So the last few months has been quite the shit show. Exceptionally short, and right now, they've only been able to hire new grads, which dilutes the experience on the floor. Well back in May I'd applied to go back on our Weekend Program where you jsut work Sat/Sun but get paid a full salary. I'd done it a few years back, but had to go off of it when my back went out in 2017 and ended up having surgery and being out for 3 months. So the spot had reopened. So months go by and I hear nothign about it. Question our new manager, and she does the "we're still gathering candidates" 

Last week I got fed up and emailed HR about it. I get a call on Wed midday to call the HR person back. So I do, and they offer me the position, which I accept.  Now about 3hrs later I have my review with my manager. She spends most of the time bitching at me about my attitude, yet I look at my scores that she wrote down and commented on, and they're all 5/5...in all 5 areas... perfect scores which puts in in the top 10% of RN's at the hospital.  Yet continues to bitch at me for not being an effective leader.

So then I bring up the Weekend Position again (knowing that I already have the job) and she tells me they're still interviewing for the job. Of course that confuses me, since I know I have the job...but I don't say anything. 

Today I go in to sign my contract for the remainder of this year, and next year, and notice there's a second contract next to mine. I didn't pay much attention to it, as I figured it was for another unit. Well come to find out that it was for my unit....but they never posted the job...and now I"m getting texts left and right from coworkers flipping out because if they knew there was an opening they would have applied for the job. So of course....next will be more people either quitting or transferring because our new manager tried to cicrumvent the rules. 


This is my 4th manager on this floor in just over 6 years. You would think that Administration would learn at some point....but obviously no. At this point I just have to get to Sept 1 and I will only have to see management one day a month at our meetings.

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Love these posts. The sad fact is that most are not equipped to manage and many of those who are, are not taught properly how to do it. It is a combination of art and science. At our peak, I had 19 employees. I was more the sales type so I took complete control of sales and relationship management. My COO (who was my DI) took control of operations and outside vendor management. We had nothing official though. My wife convinced me to name 2 people as managers - one in the sales line and 1 in the ops line. This would allow us to do more high value stuff. I got it.

Everything went fine in the ops line. I thought everything was going well in the sales line. I go out on a trip to a prospect with a sales guy (our cycle was long and complicated - I always got involved) and we are having dinner. I ask him how things are going with Tom (the newish manager - by then about 4 months). He hems and haws. I can tell something isn't right. I press him. He pulls out a piece of paper and hands it to me. It is a list of 23 bullet points that Tom wanted to review in the last "staff meeting". My policy was that meetings never go for more than one hour unless it is an emergency. This one went on for 3.5 hours.

OK, no problem. I thought I could talk to him and fix it. Uh oh. Another piece of paper comes my way. It is tilted - how to conduct yourself in meetings. There is no doubt he copied this from some site. It was absurd. Micro managing to the level where I would not put up with it myself. "How to have soft eyes" was actually listed! Then he tells me about the one on ones they have to have where he just lays out a litany of criticisms. There was more but you get the point.

It was a mistake on my part. I allowed the organization to get out of my control. I was never really a micro guy but I always knew what was going on. I talked to Tom and he took my suggestions to lighten up extremely personally. He quit 2 months later. I was glad. We did not replace him and, as it turns, out the business went into a tailspin about 15 months later from the great recession anyway.

The bottom line is that too many get into management that have no business being there. It creates havoc and I imagine in a hospital setting could potentially jeopardize patient care.

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My old department at work has been a complete shit show for years, and I got out last July.  I just couldn't work with my direct supervisor, and no one else could either.  I was on patenity leave when I returned in July 2017 to the best news ever.  My boss' post had been abolished.  People weren't saying it, but clearly it was to get rid of her.  She was going to be gone on Dec. 31, 2017.  So I stuck it out and dealt with her bullshit for another few months, at which point she managed to get an extension somehow.  There are 2 people there that really love her and fought for her.  I said fuck this and started looking for another division to move to.  My last performance review was remarkably similar to Raditch's, great scores on paper but having to listen to bitching anyway. 

So I had one job I really wanted and another that I wasn't crazy about.  I interviewed for the first job and hit it out of the park.  I went on vacation to New Orleans and got an e-mail about interviewing for the 2nd job.  I didn't even really want it so I just told them that I'd do a Skype interview from my hotel room rather than deal with scheduling it when I return.  I thought that would probably disqualify me, but they said yes.  So I did this remote interview completely unprepared and a little drunk, and I thought I pulled it off but I certainly wasn't fantastic.  So you know where this is going.  As soon as I got back to NY, they begged me to take the job.  I kept following up on Job #1 and couldn't get a straight answer, they loved me but hadn't made a decision yet, so I had no choice but to take the 2nd job to get out of my current spot.

So I leave and love my new position, and at my old job that bitch managed to get her post abolishment overturned.  I've never heard of such a thing.  My replacement then files an abuse of authority complaint against her within 2 months.  I was contacted for a statement and basically just said, "Yup, that sounds about right."  So as she's about to be formally reprimanded, she claims something is going on with her learning-disabled kid and show needs to take an extended leave without pay.  Before that, she was working from home with full pay for 4 days a week for quite a while because of this issue.  No one could even figure out what she was doing, if anything.  This started in February and she's supposed to be back next month.  The whole division is turning over and all her allies left and I hear her new boss already hates her without having met her based on everything he heard through the grapevine.  So now I hear that they want to try to get rid of her at the end of the year again.  She weaseled her way into about 2 extra years on the job and all they got for it was a formal complaint and her sitting at home on the couch.  It was like when the Yankees had agreed on a trade for A-Rod and then brought him back and immediately regretted it. 



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The thing is now, aside from the manager, I actually have good time at work. Most of the problem children left with the last manager. I get along fine with the Medical Staff and other departments. No problem with the job itself. My commute is 2 miles each way, what will soon be back down to 2 days a week. (This year I"m not even going to put on 3500 miles on my car). But they just keep on putting on shit administrators.

Out of the 4 Managers I've had, we only had one whom most respected. This one is either 27 or 28. No prior managerial experience, but is one of the pet projects of our Director, who is about to do the same thing on the floor below me where the Manager retired, and she's going to put in another young nurses with no Managerial experience running a Telemetry Unit.

Even the new hires are picking up on this. The woman I'm orienting with is supposed to meet with the Manager weekly to discuss progress over the 6 week orientation. First two weeks the Manager kept on blowing her off. Finally I forced a meeting last week, but my orientee came back and told me the manager basically did nothing, and even commented that they don't really need to meet (They do) If you show such a lack of interest in the staff you just hired and need to retain (based on our short staff situation) you have to give a reason to them to want to stay. She's already losing their respect, which doesn't bode well for getting them to stay even a short time (They basically need to stay for @ 2 years to getting any reasonable return on investment)

What might end up doing her in though is that our patient satisfaction scores are the shits lately because of the short staffing. If those don't improve, she'll hear from hit from the CNO, because it becomes a money issue (reimbursement from Medicaid/Medicare takes a hit if scores are low)

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A friend of mine works for a very large financial services firm in their fraud division and has been there forever.  He is extremely good at what he does and it is a very hard job.   He has to deal with multiple regulatory bodies and law enforcement agencies and they are all a pain in the ass according to him anyway.  I had to do the same with my firm but it was a different relationship and we almost always got along well. 

About 3 or 4 years ago this firm started to focus on placing certain types of young women (professional but hot as well) in management positions.  The age ranges were 23 to 28.  A consistent pattern across divisions.  He figures his div is safe because of how complicated it is.  

Wrong.  They receive an email from the managing director welcoming their new Principal of Fraud, so and on.  She is 27, a Columbia grad and just completed the super, duper management trainee program.  He types a text to me, 'yipppeeee"!  

He has been in the division for almost 20 years.  Pretty much he runs it but doesn't get the credit.  She scheduled a meeting with him and cancelled twice at the last moment.  Then, finally the 3rd time they meeting.  Her first question was and I shit you not, "What is fraud?"  She was trying to ask an open ended question I guess but came off looking stupid. He tells her, "people who use the financial services industry to rip people off" or something to that effect.  She then says, "go on".  He laughs, gets up, walks out and calls HR to inform them that he wants to retire.  

The MD gets the news somehow and calls him in a panic.  Please stay!  Give us 6 months. She needs to be trained!  Oh, so this was the plan all along.  He decides to stick it to them.
  6 months in exchange for $100,000 is the only way he would do it.  The MD consults with the newish CEO (the one who loves all the young women).  He says no.  My friend left the next week.  After 2 weeks, he gets a call and they are now fine with paying him.  He ups the amount - $125,000 and an extra 3 years credit for the health insurance (not sure what he means by that).   They cave. 

He goes back and it is utter chaos.  This young lady has managed to alienate all the various partners, internal and external, that the firm needs to work with on cases.  We are talking numerous agencies, even down to a couple of DA offices.  It takes him a month just to put the lid back on the bottle.  He does and she, of course, takes the credit.  

So, the MD tries to tell my friend that the agreement was for him to stay a year.  It wasn't and the agreement was in writing.  Finally, he tells the MD to go screw himself after the MD made some empty threats.  This just ended a couple of weeks ago.  They gave him what he needed in the end.  

The bottom line is that this young lady took zero interest in learning anything from him.  Avoided him and would run the department wide meetings from a set of notes given to her by her chief of staff or something like that. 

Now the train wreck starts all over again.  He is VERY happy now.

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What's ironic is that since I work Med/Surgical, it's not a destination unit for Managers...Most use it to move on to something more desirable (ICU/Cardiac/Renal/Pulmonary which get bigger budgets) So when these managers come in, you're lucky if you get them to stay for 2 years..and start this shit all over again.

Going back to 2016 when I actually got coaxed into applying for the manager vacancy, they knew I was willing to stay in for the long haul, that I wasn't interested in to shifting into other units, they again opted for an outside hire which became an unmitigated disaster. They chose not to learn from that experience, so I don't even see this one lasting as long, because she walked into a mess to start, and has not tackled it efficiently, and is already alienating a good portion of the few who stuck around after the changeover.

In a way I"m hoping we see a big purge like we did back in 2015, where they went nuts firing the CEO, Chief Nursing Office and Director of Patient Care along with a bunch of Managers because the patient satisfaction scores were become a huge problem. It's cycling to that again, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

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What's ironic is that since I work Med/Surgical, it's not a destination unit for Managers...Most use it to move on to something more desirable (ICU/Cardiac/Renal/Pulmonary which get bigger budgets) So when these managers come in, you're lucky if you get them to stay for 2 years..and start this shit all over again.

Going back to 2016 when I actually got coaxed into applying for the manager vacancy, they knew I was willing to stay in for the long haul, that I wasn't interested in to shifting into other units, they again opted for an outside hire which became an unmitigated disaster. They chose not to learn from that experience, so I don't even see this one lasting as long, because she walked into a mess to start, and has not tackled it efficiently, and is already alienating a good portion of the few who stuck around after the changeover.

In a way I"m hoping we see a big purge like we did back in 2015, where they went nuts firing the CEO, Chief Nursing Office and Director of Patient Care along with a bunch of Managers because the patient satisfaction scores were become a huge problem. It's cycling to that again, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

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What's ironic is that since I work Med/Surgical, it's not a destination unit for Managers...Most use it to move on to something more desirable (ICU/Cardiac/Renal/Pulmonary which get bigger budgets) So when these managers come in, you're lucky if you get them to stay for 2 years..and start this shit all over again.

Going back to 2016 when I actually got coaxed into applying for the manager vacancy, they knew I was willing to stay in for the long haul, that I wasn't interested in to shifting into other units, they again opted for an outside hire which became an unmitigated disaster. They chose not to learn from that experience, so I don't even see this one lasting as long, because she walked into a mess to start, and has not tackled it efficiently, and is already alienating a good portion of the few who stuck around after the changeover.

In a way I"m hoping we see a big purge like we did back in 2015, where they went nuts firing the CEO, Chief Nursing Office and Director of Patient Care along with a bunch of Managers because the patient satisfaction scores were become a huge problem. It's cycling to that again, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

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What's ironic is that since I work Med/Surgical, it's not a destination unit for Managers...Most use it to move on to something more desirable (ICU/Cardiac/Renal/Pulmonary which get bigger budgets) So when these managers come in, you're lucky if you get them to stay for 2 years..and start this shit all over again.

Going back to 2016 when I actually got coaxed into applying for the manager vacancy, they knew I was willing to stay in for the long haul, that I wasn't interested in to shifting into other units, they again opted for an outside hire which became an unmitigated disaster. They chose not to learn from that experience, so I don't even see this one lasting as long, because she walked into a mess to start, and has not tackled it efficiently, and is already alienating a good portion of the few who stuck around after the changeover.

In a way I"m hoping we see a big purge like we did back in 2015, where they went nuts firing the CEO, Chief Nursing Office and Director of Patient Care along with a bunch of Managers because the patient satisfaction scores were become a huge problem. It's cycling to that again, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

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What's ironic is that since I work Med/Surgical, it's not a destination unit for Managers...Most use it to move on to something more desirable (ICU/Cardiac/Renal/Pulmonary which get bigger budgets) So when these managers come in, you're lucky if you get them to stay for 2 years..and start this shit all over again.

Going back to 2016 when I actually got coaxed into applying for the manager vacancy, they knew I was willing to stay in for the long haul, that I wasn't interested in to shifting into other units, they again opted for an outside hire which became an unmitigated disaster. They chose not to learn from that experience, so I don't even see this one lasting as long, because she walked into a mess to start, and has not tackled it efficiently, and is already alienating a good portion of the few who stuck around after the changeover.

In a way I"m hoping we see a big purge like we did back in 2015, where they went nuts firing the CEO, Chief Nursing Office and Director of Patient Care along with a bunch of Managers because the patient satisfaction scores were become a huge problem. It's cycling to that again, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

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What's ironic is that since I work Med/Surgical, it's not a destination unit for Managers...Most use it to move on to something more desirable (ICU/Cardiac/Renal/Pulmonary which get bigger budgets) So when these managers come in, you're lucky if you get them to stay for 2 years..and start this shit all over again.

Going back to 2016 when I actually got coaxed into applying for the manager vacancy, they knew I was willing to stay in for the long haul, that I wasn't interested in to shifting into other units, they again opted for an outside hire which became an unmitigated disaster. They chose not to learn from that experience, so I don't even see this one lasting as long, because she walked into a mess to start, and has not tackled it efficiently, and is already alienating a good portion of the few who stuck around after the changeover.

In a way I"m hoping we see a big purge like we did back in 2015, where they went nuts firing the CEO, Chief Nursing Office and Director of Patient Care along with a bunch of Managers because the patient satisfaction scores were become a huge problem. It's cycling to that again, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch.

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Raditch, that last post of yours was absolutely riveting.
Glad you posted it 6 times. 
That way all the mooks here should be able to comprehend it.Do you have some kind of online form of Tourette's?



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Angelic Assassin wrote: Raditch, that last post of yours was absolutely riveting.
Glad you posted it 6 times. 
That way all the mooks here should be able to comprehend it.Do you have some kind of online form of Tourette's?
YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AN...just playin'.

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Angelic Assassin wrote: Raditch, that last post of yours was absolutely riveting.
Glad you posted it 6 times.

 I was gonna clean up the sextuple post, but this was pretty funny and wouldn't make sense if I deleted them. Carry on.
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