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 Posted: Fri Feb 7th, 2020 03:56 am
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I am convinced that elections have evolved into these super-complicated clusterf$%#s  so that the results can be manipulated and leaves the common man with no vote or voice.
For once I agree with Trump - if politicians and the political system can't even get election results right, how are they gonna handle more complicated issues like health care?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/iowa-dems-release-100-percent-of-caucus-vote-totals-showing-buttigieg-ahead-amid-calls-for-recanvass/ar-BBZK3t8?li=BBnb7Kz

The Iowa Democratic Party announced that 100 percent of precincts were finally reporting results late Thursday night -- 72 hours after the state's first-in-the-nation caucuses concluded on Monday, and after numerous irregularities led the head of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to call for a complete recanvass.

The state party's numbers showed that Pete Buttigieg would be awarded 564.012 SDEs, or state delegate equivalents, while Bernie Sanders would receive 562.497 SDEs. Sanders held a sizeable popular vote lead, though, and finished ahead of Buttigieg by a 43,671 to 37,557 vote margin. He fell behind in delegates due to Iowa's unusual voting system that gave different delegate weights to different precincts.

After the "second alignment" -- meaning the popular vote after the elimination of candidates who received less than 15 percent of the vote in the first round of caucusing -- Sanders was still ahead of Buttigieg, 45,826 votes to 43,195.


Nevertheless, as the results posted, Buttigieg was speaking on-stage at a CNN town hall, and anchor Chris Cuomo suggested the former South Bend, Ind., mayor had won the caucuses.


"That is fantastic news," Buttigieg said. "We are looking to New Hampshire and beyond."

But Sanders, minutes earlier and throughout the day, had said he won the race, considering his popular vote advantage.


The disastrous caucuses drew mockery from President Trump earlier in the day, as he argued in the East Room of the White House that Democrats could not be trusted to run the nation's health care system if they couldn't even count votes in a timely and reliable manner.

Elizabeth Warren finished with 387 SDEs, Joe Biden with 341, Amy Klobuchar with 264, and Andrew Yang with 22. By popular vote, Warren had 32,533 votes after the first round of caucusing and 34,771 after the second; Biden had 26,384 after round one and 23,691 after round two; and Klobuchar had 22,469 after round one and 21,181 after round two. Yang plummeted from 8,821 in the first round to 1,780 in the second.

Those numbers were catastrophic for Biden, who has run his campaign on the notion that he's the most electable candidate. For other candidates, the confusion threatened to overshadow the typical media-driven momentum boost that results from a strong Iowa performance.

At the same time, it remained unclear whether the results would stand, or whether there could be more changes. DNC head Tom Perez earlier Thursday called for a recanvass of the results of the Iowa caucuses, saying it was needed to "assure public confidence" after three days of apparent technical issues, vote-counting irregularities and delays.

"Enough is enough," Perez wrote on Twitter.

Meanwhile, The Associated Press said Thursday it was unable to declare a winner of the Democrats' Iowa caucuses.

"The Associated Press calls a race when there is a clear indication of a winner. Because of a tight margin between former Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Bernie Sanders and the irregularities in this year’s caucus process, it is not possible to determine a winner at this point," wrote Sally Buzbee, AP's senior vice president and executive editor.

The caucus crisis was an embarrassing twist after months of promoting Iowa as a chance for Democrats to find some clarity in a jumbled 2020 field. Instead, after a buildup that featured seven rounds of debates, nearly $1 billion spent nationwide and a year of political jockeying, caucus day ended with no winner and no official results.


Campaigning in New Hampshire, Sanders called the Iowa Democratic Party's management of the caucuses a “screw-up" that has been "extremely unfair" to the candidates and their supporters.

"We've got enough of Iowa," he said later Thursday at a CNN town hall, just before Buttigieg spoke. "I think we should move onto New Hampshire."

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All political feelings aside I think when polls cant give accurate and timely results it really brings into question what is going on and why. It’s not like voting is in its infancy stage.



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I think this is a perfect example of the expression “Don't attribute to malice what can best be explained by stupidity.” There’s no way the Democrats wanted this fiasco just to give fucking Mayor Pete of all people some delegates 72 hours later.  If Biden had won then I’d be wondering, but not Pete.  No, they really are this dumb. And I’ve seen so many liberals in the last 2 days finally come to the realization that Trump has no chance of losing to any of these guys. The lightbulb finally went off. They fucked up again.

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It's so ridiculous that the actual number of people who voted for someone is treated like some minor piece of trivia. It happens with the electoral college and it happens in the UK ad well.



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That is whacked.


I don't even know what to say...and to top it off they spent a billion dollars in the lead-up?

It's mind boggling how they can justify spending all tht money. Especially when they have no chance like rossi said.

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People forget the 2012 GOP Iowa caucus wasn't finalized until 2 weeks after the polls closed.



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yellowdog wrote: People forget the 2012 GOP Iowa caucus wasn't finalized until 2 weeks after the polls closed.
Thanks to Ron Paul and his supporters.  That was just a good old-fashioned political screwjob where they couldn't let the best candidate win, not gross incompetence like this one.  

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They totally hit the "screw Bernie" button. They just thought Biden was going to be the one to benefit. Once it was clear it was Pete, they (CNN, MSNBC) just switched the narrative.

All day Wednesday and Thursday, as the results came trickling in, all you heard was "what a boon for Pete", as his small lead kept getting smaller, instead of presenting this as a virtual tie.

There were also numerous counts of votes being tallied for wrong people, and most of them were against Bernie. Black Hawk County gave 100s of votes to Deval Patrick that were from Bernie's caucus goers.

Also, a lot of this stuff came out because Bernie's precinct captains had their own apps and tallied votes from precincts around Iowa, and the campaign sent their lawyers to the IDP after it happened, almost like they expected it.

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"Shadow Inc. was launched by ACRONYM, a nonprofit corporation founded in 2017 by Tara McGowan, a political strategist who runs companies aimed at promoting Democratic candidates and priorities. McGowan, 34, is married to Michael Halle, a senior strategist for Pete Buttigieg’s presidential campaign, which records show has also paid Shadow Inc. $42,500 for software."

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/02/04/us/politics/ap-us-election-2020-app.html

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I'm not convinced the Dems actually want to win in 2020 (they're a longshot at best). Not when they can cry corruption and virtue signal from the sidelines.



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srossi wrote: yellowdog wrote: People forget the 2012 GOP Iowa caucus wasn't finalized until 2 weeks after the polls closed.
Thanks to Ron Paul and his supporters.  That was just a good old-fashioned political screwjob where they couldn't let the best candidate win, not gross incompetence like this one.  

It's been fucked forever,  2012 was gross incompetence too
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/report-santorum-finished-34-votes-ahead-of-romney-in-new-iowa-tally-votes-from-8-precincts-missing/2012/01/19/gIQAJGuRAQ_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_18



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