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However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.
There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
Hmm, what "types" would that be? In fact, it would be more honest to say "type". And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything.
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor.
I can see where this is going, so I'll put it this way. It's a low income neighborhood, resided in mostly but not exclusively by persons of color, and from the footage taken by reputable reporters, both outside that Target and actually inside the store as well, there weren't many middle class people who drove in from the burbs to take advantage of the situation to grab some TVs, smartphones, and other pricy or desirable stuff. By definition anyone stealing doesn't want to pay for the item, regardless of their wealth and background. However, the protesting turning to rioting turning to looting in the area around that shopping center was absolutely taken advantage of by persons seizing the opportunity to get stuff they could not otherwise afford as opposed to persons who could have afforded the stuff but just didn't want to pay, though I won't discount the presence and participation of the latter group entirely.
When you say, "middle class" people didn't drive in from the 'burbs to loot and steal, you really mean "white" people. There's no getting around that fact. Believe me, for years and I years I also engaged in that canard and like a good conservative I boiled everything down to the marketplace, reducing humans to economic beings. I just can't keep lying to myself anymore. We've had generations of whites and blacks trying to make it work, trying to promote the "vibrant" mix of cultures, and it hasn't worked. It's time to conclude that it will never work. Anecdotally, yes, it can happen, but in the macro sense we're not the same people. I don't think much can be done to remedy this in the short term, but at the very least we've got to be honest about our differences. A good start would be to completely restore freedom of association. Let people self-segregate and learn from the results.
Generations? It's only been about 50 years of supposed racial equality in America. Not sure where you're getting generations from when millions can still remember the days of segregation.
Yeah, it is amazing that we’re only about 150 years removed from slavery, followed by a disastrous Reconstruction period that in many ways was worse than slavery, and only about 50 years past segregation. When you’re under 50, it might as well be a million years ago, but many still remember those days well, and have grandparents who were slaves.
Many have grandparents who were slaves? Come on. Are there blacks in their 80s and 90s who may have had grandparents who were children at emancipation? A few perhaps, but let's not torture the connections to make them seem more numerous than they really are. And even where such people still do exist, so what? Seriously, what does that have to do with the average rioter in the streets today? Not a thing.
We're three generations into the post-1964 era and the default reaction of the black community to perceived affronts continues to be rioting and looting. And it doesn't matter the historical antecedents, either. There are 125,000 Somalis that live in Minneapolis. The city was 93% white in 1970; by 2000 it was 63%. What historical grievances are they protesting? When were the people of Minneapolis asked if they were willing to absorb such a significant change to their lifestyle and culture? Does anyone think that in 1970, the average Lutheran Swede looked around his hometown and said, "you know what we need here? More black people." No votes were taken, instead the government teamed up with Lutheran, Catholic, and NGO charities to undertake a massive replacement program. The results? A reading of crime statistics in Minneapolis shows that, despite being a minority, the percentages of violent crimes committed by its more vibrant denizens is overwhelming. Noticing these facts can't remain a forbidden subject any longer. Are there calls to discuss race relations today? Great. Let's have that conversation. Let's lay everything on the table.
That’s a ridiculously long post made in response to a simple statement about the passage of time. I’m not sure what your point was in any of that, nor do you seem to understand my point, since I really didn’t have one (even though you seemed to try to extrapolate 30 or 40). I’m not sure why some people are so defensive of the fact that these things happened in the past.
Let me put it to you in non-black terms so that maybe you can comprehend the passage of time without your racism defenses up. John Tyler was our 10th President and was born in 1790. He has 2 living grandchildren. It’s a bit of an extreme case given he had 15 children and some were born when he was very old, but people had lots of kids at very old ages back then. If a black person was born into slavery 70 years after John Tyler was born (another whole generation) then yes, they easily could have grandchildren alive today. Because that’s how time works when something only ended 150 years ago. Understand? I’m pointing out an interesting fact, not making a political statement that undermines your delicate view of American exceptionalism.
Last edited on Sat May 30th, 2020 05:24 pm by srossi
This thread was great before AA ruined it.