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Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

Yep. These racist thugs are the only police we have, so we better just accept it.....

There's no easy answer to this very difficult problem. Even if you could replace every cop with a saint, you couldn't do it overnight.



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srossi wrote: Actor John Cusack was assaulted by the cops with batons for peaceably filming the cops during the protests, which time and time again has been ruled as legal by every court.Well there's at least one police action I can get 100% behind.



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Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



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This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.



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Kriss wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

Yep. These racist thugs are the only police we have, so we better just accept it.....

There's no easy answer to this very difficult problem. Even if you could replace every cop with a saint, you couldn't do it overnight.


I’m not saying we have to accept anything I’m asking some questions because I feel like we are in a real weird place right now in America. 

We have politicians on the left that want to disarm the population

We have police forces across the nation that have been having some real issues for a long time. 

We are seeing the rise of Karen / SJW culture that bombard law enforcement with complaints. 

How many lives have been ruined because of this? I wasn't kidding earlier In this thread people are going to be tracked down and arrested for committing these crimes. You Can’t obtain employment in certain fields with a felony on your record.  Not every business destroyed will be blessed with an overflowing go fund me to rescue it.

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Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. How does asking cops not to murder people affect anything you’re talking about?  I would like police to do less actually since their “more” is usually inciting violence and escalating situations. I also don’t agree with most laws do I’d be fine with them just enforcing the big ones, if that’s what you’re asking. Cops don’t protect or prevent, they mostly just show up after the fact anyway, so none of that would significantly affect crime rates (which are at historic lows as police violence rises) anyway. 

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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.
This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD? 

I agree with those general statements. Getting paid, you knew what the deal was when you signed up so on an so on but what I was asking was if a cop was going to be second guessed every step of the way and they chose to turn in C+ effort instead of A- effort would anyone be able to tell the difference and could that lead to discipline? Do people sue for slow response time?  



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WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.
This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.

Amen. I don’t know if that answers the questions, but people always act like cops are forced to serve at gunpoint and do it for free. They’re making a choice, and although they don’t get paid millions the incentives compared to any other normal blue collar job are astronomical. Keep your head down and do your job and retire in 20 years while the rest of us are working until 70. 



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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. How does asking cops not to murder people affect anything you’re talking about?  I would like police to do less actually since their “more” is usually inciting violence and escalating situations. I also don’t agree with most laws do I’d be fine with them just enforcing the big ones, if that’s what you’re asking. Cops don’t protect or prevent, they mostly just show up after the fact anyway, so none of that would significantly affect crime rates (which are at historic lows as police violence rises) anyway. 

Floyd was being arrested because someone called 911 over him using a bad $20 or something like that if I remember correctly. Do we get to a point where the operator disregards the call due to lack of worthiness? 

Watch Live PD or cops and watch the officers rushing to a scene To jump out to confront someone. Maybe if they didn’t rush they would be able to think more clearly and make better decisions. 



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Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.
This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD?  

$42,000 on day one, not great for NY but great for a kid without much education, and it goes up quickly from there. But it’s really about the benefits. 



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Franchise wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.

I’m not really sure what you’re asking. How does asking cops not to murder people affect anything you’re talking about?  I would like police to do less actually since their “more” is usually inciting violence and escalating situations. I also don’t agree with most laws do I’d be fine with them just enforcing the big ones, if that’s what you’re asking. Cops don’t protect or prevent, they mostly just show up after the fact anyway, so none of that would significantly affect crime rates (which are at historic lows as police violence rises) anyway. 

Floyd was being arrested because someone called 911 over him using a bad $20 or something like that if I remember correctly. Do we get to a point where the operator disregards the call due to lack of worthiness? 

Watch Live PD or cops and watch the officers rushing to a scene To jump out to confront someone. Maybe if they didn’t rush they would be able to think more clearly and make better decisions. 

Is it an emergency call?  Clearly not. Do I particularly care if the cops respond to that?  Not really. Here’s the thing. Security had already detained the guy. It was already over before the cops showed up. Their job at that point was literally to read him his rights and process him for for a crime in which, even if guilty, wouldn’t have likely resulted in jail time. If you’re scared of that guy, who is going to be walking free alongside you on the street in another 3 hours anyway, then why not just randomly attack everyone you ever see?  They chose to completely and totally turn it into a fiasco. 4 cops shouldn’t have even been there for a non-violent crime where the suspect is already detained. I mean fuck, if private security had the authority he’d just call an Uber and take him to be processed himself without incident. 

Maybe we need another number other than 911. 911 is supposed to be for emergencies. But if you’ve detained a guy and need the cops, I understand you don’t know who else to call do you call 911. And then they come running guns blazing. I don’t blame the person who called 911 this time. I’d do the same in this situation because I’m not the professional and I just want someone to take him off my hands quickly. But I do blame people for abusing 911 in many other situations they turn violent when 911 never should’ve been called. 

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If everything was that cut and dry I wonder why they would dispatch so many for something so insignificant?



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Franchise wrote: If everything was that cut and dry I wonder why they would dispatch so many for something so insignificant?
Why are SWAT Teams sent to do no-knock raids at 3am for a suspected case of growing weed when 2 officers can knock on the door at 3pm with a search warrant?  Because they’re always fearing for their lives. Which is more likely, the cops getting accidentally shot storming into a house that may of may not be the correct one without identifying themselves, or the cops politely announcing their intentions?  How many people are really willing to kill cops unprovoked and get the death sentence or life in prison?  But they think 100% of even low-level criminals want to kill them all, even though few are ever killed in the line of duty. Will a cop ever stumble into a really bad situation even while investigating a minor crime?  Of course! But that’s the job, and statistically they’ll be safer than they are right now if they don’t escalate. 

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srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.
This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD?  

$42,000 on day one, not great for NY but great for a kid without much education, and it goes up quickly from there. But it’s really about the benefits.
Yep...but topping out at 116k in four short years. Free medical, free pension, unlimited overtime. Sometimes I think I should have took that in 1979 when I was called instead of working for the phone company.



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Those no knock raids combined with red flag laws make for some real weird situations. We really need to come together and vote that stuff down.

I don’t pretend to follow or see everything but I heard a bit about the Duncan lemp no knock raid In Maryland that resulted in him being killed and his Pregnant girlfriend wounded based off of a red flag tip a few months earlier.

I don’t know what the answers are but I’m still not sure what burning business down is going To solve.



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WongLee wrote: srossi wrote: Franchise wrote: WongLee wrote: Franchise wrote: Ok so say all of the police officers in the killing of George Floyd get arrested where does the rest of it end?

What is the incentive for any police officer to do a good job going forward? Why drive fast to a call when you can drive the speed limit? Why be first on scene when you can be 3rd? Someone calls 911 and if the crime isn’t big enough do the police decline to respond? Will we ever hear about the police not providing enough services?



I’m no defender or apologist I’m just asking questions.
This is a valid question. What's the incentive? The incentive should at least be you're paid to do a job. It's a very high paying job with unbeatable benefits. Full pension and medical for life for you and your spouse. It's a job that you choose to take. You know virtually anything and everything that can possibly happen to you going in. If it's not for you, study accounting. Learn coding. Take an EMT course. Way too many people look at police work as a sacred calling that can only be done by a chosen few amongst us. That's where "The Finest" tag comes from. These jobs are civil service jobs. Same as working at DMV. There is no real academic requirement except a high school diploma, though some larger departments are now asking for an Associates Degree aka 13th grade.


Growing up In Los Angeles county I was always told LAPD paid poor and often times was used as a stepping stone to get in the door with LAFD. 

What is the starting salary for NYPD?  

$42,000 on day one, not great for NY but great for a kid without much education, and it goes up quickly from there. But it’s really about the benefits.
Yep...but topping out at 116k in four short years. Free medical, free pension, unlimited overtime. Sometimes I think I should have took that in 1979 when I was called instead of working for the phone company.

Tripling their pay in 4 years? That’s incredible 



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