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 Posted: Thu May 28th, 2020 08:01 pm
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The thing in Minneapolis may be the most egregious one yet. When you think the police can't possibly sink any lower, they never disappoint. Plus, there was the second police shooting in a week in Hayward, CA. So with the riots in Minneapolis, COVID-19 insanity, record unemployment, a possible second wave of da virus, are we done as a human race? I say absolutely not. People in the 21st Century are A1 pussies. The riots in Minneapolis are not in protest of a murdered man, they to steal some free shit. We as a people are no longer made of sterner stuff. Therefore, the elite will crush us under their boot.



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The death of George Floyd was appalling. Seeing the footage definitely made me wonder how often this happens when no one is around to record and spread the footage as well as when the cop lays off and the victim survives. The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.

There were two phases to what happened. There has been legitimate protesting and demonstrating. The damage to the third police precinct building, whether one approves or disapproves of such action, can be put into that context. However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for. The guy wheeling three flat screen TVs out of Target and the people who took all the display phones at the AT&T wireless store (the non display phones were locked up too well to be taken) certainly weren't seeking justice for anyone.

There were people who treated the whole thing like a party and took the opportunity to burn buildings and smash windows because it was a riot and that's what people do at these things. Being lost in a massive crowd makes it easier for people to do things they would not do if they were out alone.

There is a pretty big anarchist/punk type faction in the Twin Cities. I didn't have to see much footage to see them out in force, striking against the capitalist machine or whatever. The Autozone fire seems to have stemmed from one of its members.

For that matter, there is absolutely a good sized white supremacist faction around here too and I saw a report of at least one instance of someone who appeared to be part of this group doing Charlottesville type high speed drive throughs in a pickup with no plates. There have been charges, minus verifiable information, of this ilk infiltrating the crowds to stir things up.

That someone could drive through the riot zone was in no small part due to the Minneapolis Police Department completely losing any semblance of control. They didn't even bother to close the roads on Lake Street and the cross street feeders for a long time after things completely went nuts. From what I can tell, they were so improperly and unevenly deployed that entire securable areas were surrendered to people bent on destroying them long after this ceased to be a protest about a cop killing a man who'd been cuffed and seemed to be no real threat.

I would love to know how many of the people who destroyed the Target, Aldi, and Cub Foods (large local supermarket chain) actually live and work in that neighborhood which has a range of very poor to working class to lower middle class people. A lot of jobs were jeopardized and now a great amount of people have no full service supermarket to shop at in a convenient location.

There will be more rioting tonight, although the amount is uncertain. It will also spill out of the initial riot zone. There have been some incidents on and off today and last I checked there was a shopping center in St. Paul that seemed on the brink of things going over the edge. The sad part is now so many people are using George Floyd for their own purposes. Al Sharpton came to town! Floyd is a symbol, but his plight is getting overlooked by people with other concerns but who won't admit it.

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tamalie wrote: The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.
This is incredibly optimistic in the face of 99% of previous examples. 



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I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.

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tamalie wrote: The death of George Floyd was appalling. Seeing the footage definitely made me wonder how often this happens when no one is around to record and spread the footage as well as when the cop lays off and the victim survives. The four police officers involved were summarily fired the next day and it is a given that all will be arrested and charged with the cop who knelt on top of the guy doing time for sure. An MPD cop was sentenced to prison for shooting a person by mistake about a year or so ago and the aftermath of that incident had far fewer eyeballs on it and public unrest than this one. The officer is going to do time. It is hard to say what will become of the other three.

There were two phases to what happened. There has been legitimate protesting and demonstrating. The damage to the third police precinct building, whether one approves or disapproves of such action, can be put into that context. However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for. The guy wheeling three flat screen TVs out of Target and the people who took all the display phones at the AT&T wireless store (the non display phones were locked up too well to be taken) certainly weren't seeking justice for anyone.

There were people who treated the whole thing like a party and took the opportunity to burn buildings and smash windows because it was a riot and that's what people do at these things. Being lost in a massive crowd makes it easier for people to do things they would not do if they were out alone.

There is a pretty big anarchist/punk type faction in the Twin Cities. I didn't have to see much footage to see them out in force, striking against the capitalist machine or whatever. The Autozone fire seems to have stemmed from one of its members.

For that matter, there is absolutely a good sized white supremacist faction around here too and I saw a report of at least one instance of someone who appeared to be part of this group doing Charlottesville type high speed drive throughs in a pickup with no plates. There have been charges, minus verifiable information, of this ilk infiltrating the crowds to stir things up.

That someone could drive through the riot zone was in no small part due to the Minneapolis Police Department completely losing any semblance of control. They didn't even bother to close the roads on Lake Street and the cross street feeders for a long time after things completely went nuts. From what I can tell, they were so improperly and unevenly deployed that entire securable areas were surrendered to people bent on destroying them long after this ceased to be a protest about a cop killing a man who'd been cuffed and seemed to be no real threat.

I would love to know how many of the people who destroyed the Target, Aldi, and Cub Foods (large local supermarket chain) actually live and work in that neighborhood which has a range of very poor to working class to lower middle class people. A lot of jobs were jeopardized and now a great amount of people have no full service supermarket to shop at in a convenient location.

There will be more rioting tonight, although the amount is uncertain. It will also spill out of the initial riot zone. There have been some incidents on and off today and last I checked there was a shopping center in St. Paul that seemed on the brink of things going over the edge. The sad part is now so many people are using George Floyd for their own purposes. Al Sharpton came to town! Floyd is a symbol, but his plight is getting overlooked by people with other concerns but who won't admit it.

Took the family up to Minneapolis last summer and took the Blue Line downtown from the airport.  I happened to Google the locations of the parties last night, and that Target was right off the Blue Line.  I kinda remember that stop on the ride downtown and when we went out to the Mall of America.  How were things in downtown proper?  Was most of this nonsense happening about ten minutes from the city?



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tamalie wrote: I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.
I’ll believe it when I see it, but I certainly hope you’re right. For the first time that I can remember, in addition to the counter-productive looting, there was an actual strike on a police dept. and I understand that it’s in ruins. So that was fantastic so far. 



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tamalie wrote: I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.
Agreed. Anyone with a working set of eyes and any common sense can see what happened. 



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How truly sad! Some of you here still support this guy :(
https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/28/colin-kaepernick-tweet-violence-protests-fight-back-george-floyd-killing/



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stingmark wrote: How truly sad! Some of you here still support this guy :(
https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/28/colin-kaepernick-tweet-violence-protests-fight-back-george-floyd-killing/

Yeah, a football player's tweets are the sad part.  Don't ever change.



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BuddyPSHayes wrote: tamalie wrote: I understand and respect that viewpoint but you’re not from here and are not on the ground here. From the reaction of the general public, even people who generally deify the police and fear minorities if not actually outright hating them, the mayor, the chief of police, the DA, and governor, the chances of that cop walking are pretty much zero. He might not get convicted on the charges some will want, and might plead guilty to something else to get less time while avoiding a trial that would be a media circus, but I have rarely been more certain of anything than the belief that the officer who knelt on Floyd’s neck is going to prison.
Agreed. Anyone with a working set of eyes and any common sense can see what happened.

Here's the thing.  The severity or obviousness of the crime doesn't really matter.  I've given this a lot of thought and the fact is that the police truly in their hearts don't believe in an unjustified killing, and believe that if the possibility of one is even put out into the universe that their chances of going home at night are somehow diminished.  You can't argue logic with that cultish mentality.  So the unions fight these to the last breath, and the cops get the best lawyers money can buy.  In the meantime, the prosecutors know that they're  in deep shit if they get on the wrong side of the cops because they have a parasitic relationship with each other, so they're not trying too hard and in some cases are blatantly throwing it.  This makes everything that the public is seeing and doing completely irrelevant.  It's not just finding 12 people willing to send a cop to jail, which is hard enough, it's also dealing with a systemic problem that makes sure that reality is not reality in their sheltered world.  If anyone is even willing to indict, they'll find a way to go somewhere where the jury doesn't know about this case and make sure that the video and his past record isn't allowed into evidence, and then it's over.  It's just a black guy who shoplifted in high school once which meant that he was probably a serial killer too who resisted arrest and an officer feared for his life.  And everyone else will wonder what happened.  Again.  And the prosecutors, the judge, the DAs office, and the police union will all go the bar that they always hang out in together and toast to the status quo.  The cop that did this won't be there, he's fired and no one really gives a shit about what happens to him either.  It's all about keeping the system going the way it's been going for decades.  And then the super liberal mayor and governor and whoever else is in power will go on TV and feign shock and dismay, but mostly they will preach calm and tolerance for a justice system that is flawed but works really well most of the time.  Fast forward a few years and one of those super liberal politicians will run for a higher office, and with a tear in his eye he will swear that if you elect him, what happened under his watch will never happen under his watch again. And the police union will mercilessly boo him as they donate several million dollars to his campaign. And he will win, and the story will have a happy ending, and that politician will probably call his shoe shine boy “George” in honor of this fallen hero, or maybe just because all black people look alike to him.  And that is America, one nation under God, and don't you know that Trump just tweeted about a carrier pigeon that delivered indisputable proof that Obama is half lizard?  Where are your priorities?!  Why are you not paying attention to the important stuff?!

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And you either Rossi

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stingmark wrote: And you either RossiWOW!!! You completely dismantled Rossi here. You took every single one of his points and CRUSHED them unmercifully. After a virtual beating like that I don't think you'll be seeing much of Rossi around here again. I wish I could craft such a clever shutdown of a guy who is so very wrong on all his counts. Your response was meticulous, well researched, witty, and devastating all at once.



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Seven people shot by the pigs last night in Louisville. This one was over the murder of Breonna Taylor in I'm sure what was called a righteous kill. I might be wrong. Maybe it IS going down.

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tamalie wrote: However, the rioting and looting beyond that particular location is mainly opportunists of various types taking advantage of this guy's death to push their own agendas.

There were poor people cleaning out Target and other stores to get their hands on consumer goods they either couldn't afford or just didn't want to pay for.
 
Hmm, what "types" would that be?  In fact, it would be more honest to say "type".   And let's be honest, anyone cleaning out a Target simply didn't want to pay for what they were taking.  It has nothing to do with not being able to afford anything. 
 
I'm not shy about my disgust at what's become of law enforcement in this country, and I hope the pigs that killed this man are served justice, but pretending for the last 50 years that communities of joggers aren't a big problem hasn't done any of us a favor. 



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The Minnesota police has arrested a black journalist reporting live on CNN, as well as his crew, all while cameras kept rolling.  They even confiscated the camera that was still transmitting. The reporter was remarkably calm as he basically reported his own arrest.  To say this is an affront to the first amendment would be the understatement of the century.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/h_4ed08403663fa4ed3518221d0f2a1552?fbclid=IwAR2fXSXi8Gx04jq4Qdlt7TP4KJHIMRORuyz3AAcykFdCJZ6WoDbYaO_jDpw

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