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I'm not a Trump lover (not a hater either) but I don't get it. 


Isn't it removing his 'right to free speech'?

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Well they're private platforms so obviously not a free speech issue.

The question is whether or not Facebook and Twitter have reached such a status in our society that they need to be considered "public utilities", in which you're basically advocating for government to step in and tell private business owners how they should conduct business because these things are so essential in the modern world, like electricity or general Internet access. That is not a step to be taken lightly.

Facebook and Twitter obviously have competition from other social media platforms, as the rise of Parlour shows, but those other ones are so small that they seem to be irrelevant. But Facebook overtook Myspace and if you let the free market work there are no exceptional barriers to entry that would make one think that it's impossible to overtake Facebook and Twitter too. In fact Facebook has already lost tons of ground to other social media that cater more to a younger crowd, and most 20-year olds wouldn't be caught dead on there. So I'm not sure how anyone can actually say they need to be regulated, even though every Republican and Democrat loves regulation and hates free enterprise.

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They can do whatever they want. This is not a free speech issue. Trump can still say whatever he wants and there are plenty of platforms out there for him to say it. Any site can delete or ban whoever or whatever they choose. If I come and write all over your front door, you aren't infringing on my rights by cleaning it off and telling me not to do it again.



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beejmi wrote: I'm not a Trump lover (not a hater either) but I don't get it. 


Isn't it removing his 'right to free speech'?

I don't know if there is such a thing anymore. Every word someone utters or posts somewhere is recorded out there on one platform or another for all eternity.

Not like the old days where one could say something and then plausibly deny they said it. 

I'm not sure what the point of all the social media platforms is really , like FB, twitter, SnapFace, etc if saying something someone disagrees with often means censure. 


Not something that happened to me but FB has banned people for sharing something they "FOUND " on FB.

FB and other platforms are littered with people who doing nothing all day but sit in their shit stained jimmies posting crap so that people can respond, get in an argument and have crazy Karen report them and get them banned. It's like a sport.

And yet media outlets post/print complete rubbish, half truths, out and out lies and for the most part escape unscathed.They enflame the Karen's of the world who go out and multiply and then proceed to drag people down into their morass of stupidity. 
Trump is an idiot but what happened to just scrolling on by, or just not following  him.  Even with his social media accounts shut down he wins in a sense because people are giving him the attention he craves. 
If a crying baby knows you will pick them up every time they cry then that is what they will do. Ignore them ( if it's clear the crying is just for attention) and they stop. 



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Anthony Cumia got banned from Twitter for complaining about the woman that "got him fired" from SiriusXM. So no, you are not taking away Trump's free speech, you are simply not allowing him to use your platform. It's similar to how you banned CampCornette, or whomever it was, because they were acting like a cock on the board.

For what it's worth, both Facebook and Instagram have said he's banned until at least after the inauguration, if not longer. Twitter let him back on meaning he must've deleted the three tweets that they hated.

My opinion? Maybe I'm getting to be an old man, but the POTUS should NOT be using Twitter as his source of getting the word out. He comes off as a total joke when he does this. And I would say the same for Biden, or Obama, or any other POTUS that spent even one day per week on Twitter. When you are that important, you should not be dialed in to social media.....and if you want to send a message out to the youth that uses social media as their only source of news, have your publicist run your account so that you don't fuck it up.



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Superstar wrote: Anthony Cumia got banned from Twitter for complaining about the woman that "got him fired" from SiriusXM. So no, you are not taking away Trump's free speech, you are simply not allowing him to use your platform. It's similar to how you banned CampCornette, or whomever it was, because they were acting like a cock on the board.

For what it's worth, both Facebook and Instagram have said he's banned until at least after the inauguration, if not longer. Twitter let him back on meaning he must've deleted the three tweets that they hated.

My opinion? Maybe I'm getting to be an old man, but the POTUS should NOT be using Twitter as his source of getting the word out. He comes off as a total joke when he does this. And I would say the same for Biden, or Obama, or any other POTUS that spent even one day per week on Twitter. When you are that important, you should not be dialed in to social media.....and if you want to send a message out to the youth that uses social media as their only source of news, have your publicist run your account so that you don't fuck it up.

Trump was requested to delete 3 posts in particular and he complied.  This was a bit of grandstanding on Twitter's part as they surely could've removed those posts themselves and issued him a warning, but they obviously wanted to make a statement with the ban.  Zuckerberg seems to be more politically motivated than Twitter, and more sensitive since his company was specifically blamed for all those Russian bot posts that got Trump elected in the first place, so I would not be surprised if his FB and IG bans are more permanent. 

As far as POTUS using Twitter, obviously it's a resource in this day and age, but Trump literally thought that tweeting policy in 25 characters or whatever was "official".  He was making executive decisions on Twitter, at least until he changed his mind, and often without them having any basis in reality.  That's why it was seen as a complete joke.  POTUS should be using Twitter to wish people a Happy Memorial Day and shit like that, in professional-sounding soundbytes with correct grammar and spelling vetted by a social media manager.  Beyonce literally has someone on payroll doing this for her, as does every other mega-celebrity.  But the fucking POTUS is ranting incoherently at 3:00 AM like any other Twitter user who just had a fight with his wife and drank a bottle of rum.  His team wakes up every morning dreading the fall-out from whatever he wrote while they were asleep.  It's just insane.

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I've tried to use Twitter, on occasion, for the past 10 (?!) years, but just could NOT get into it. Mainly for self-promotion, but I can't stand the entire concept and feel it's responsible for the dumbing-down of the Internets. A lot of "reporting" nowadays has devolved to simply "they said THIS on Twitter".

I've seen laughable efforts by local government agencies, the police and even RNO's to use it... but their use and quality of content is consistently inconsistent.

When the James Holmes shooting happened (the "Batman movie shooting" in 2012), it seemed useful for communicating what was happening... but that quickly went away within 10 minutes and reddit was actually a better source of up-to-date info.

I feel Twitter is best used for promotional purposes (company announcing new product, event, movie, etc.) or for "celebrities" to babble off about stuff (actors and athletes, mostly). It's not a good platform for communicating politics. Trump, being a "celebrity", never got that.

Of course, it's too late now and Twitter seems to be rolling along just fine. Yet we said the same thing about Facebook about five years ago, and it's been losing relevancy and heading for the toilet.

I'm the old man yelling at the sky when I say: Gimme Internets Messaging Boards!



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It was Twitter who deleted Trump's tweets in the end.



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Erick Von Erich wrote: I've tried to use Twitter, on occasion, for the past 10 (?!) years, but just could NOT get into it. Mainly for self-promotion, but I can't stand the entire concept and feel it's responsible for the dumbing-down of the Internets. A lot of "reporting" nowadays has devolved to simply "they said THIS on Twitter".

I've seen laughable efforts by local government agencies, the police and even RNO's to use it... but their use and quality of content is consistently inconsistent.

When the James Holmes shooting happened (the "Batman movie shooting" in 2012), it seemed useful for communicating what was happening... but that quickly went away within 10 minutes and reddit was actually a better source of up-to-date info.

I feel Twitter is best used for promotional purposes (company announcing new product, event, movie, etc.) or for "celebrities" to babble off about stuff (actors and athletes, mostly). It's not a good platform for communicating politics. Trump, being a "celebrity", never got that.

Of course, it's too late now and Twitter seems to be rolling along just fine. Yet we said the same thing about Facebook about five years ago, and it's been losing relevancy and heading for the toilet.

I'm the old man yelling at the sky when I say: Gimme Internets Messaging Boards!

I'm with you, I never got Twitter.  I tried to create a professional account, and almost never used it.  I just couldn't ever find a single thing worth tweeting that anyone would care about.  Within a few days of me trying though, there was an incident about 2 blocks from where I work.  I can't even remember what, a shooting or a building collapse or something.  I tweeted something about it, and a legitimate reporter immediately tweeted at me if I could give details as an "eye witness".  That's when I realized how bad Twitter reporting was.  I ignored her, but I bet I could've told her anything and she would've tweeted it as fact.  Twitter reporting is as bad as Twitter presidenting, and I absolutely despise how almost every real news source now has articles filled with nothing but tweets and they call this a news article.

So now when there's a major incident I just scroll through my feed occasionally, but it's all depressing shouting and fear-mongering and unsubstantiated reports and crazy opinions.  Then I have my "wrestling account" where I just follow a few hundred people from this world and I'll scroll occasionally during a Raw or Dynamite to hear everyone complain or kiss-ass or share an old clip or something. 

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Angelic Assassin wrote: beejmi wrote: I'm not a Trump lover (not a hater either) but I don't get it. 


Isn't it removing his 'right to free speech'?

I don't know if there is such a thing anymore. Every word someone utters or posts somewhere is recorded out there on one platform or another for all eternity.

Not like the old days where one could say something and then plausibly deny they said it. 

I'm not sure what the point of all the social media platforms is really , like FB, twitter, SnapFace, etc if saying something someone disagrees with often means censure. 


Not something that happened to me but FB has banned people for sharing something they "FOUND " on FB.

FB and other platforms are littered with people who doing nothing all day but sit in their shit stained jimmies posting crap so that people can respond, get in an argument and have crazy Karen report them and get them banned. It's like a sport.

And yet media outlets post/print complete rubbish, half truths, out and out lies and for the most part escape unscathed.They enflame the Karen's of the world who go out and multiply and then proceed to drag people down into their morass of stupidity. 
Trump is an idiot but what happened to just scrolling on by, or just not following  him.  Even with his social media accounts shut down he wins in a sense because people are giving him the attention he craves. 
If a crying baby knows you will pick them up every time they cry then that is what they will do. Ignore them ( if it's clear the crying is just for attention) and they stop. 

I read that one of the reasons for the ban, and it made sense to me, was that after the storming of the Capital, FB  & Twitter don't want to be the platform that he uses to rally his troops for any type of insurrection.  



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srossi wrote: Erick Von Erich wrote: I've tried to use Twitter, on occasion, for the past 10 (?!) years, but just could NOT get into it. Mainly for self-promotion, but I can't stand the entire concept and feel it's responsible for the dumbing-down of the Internets. A lot of "reporting" nowadays has devolved to simply "they said THIS on Twitter".

I've seen laughable efforts by local government agencies, the police and even RNO's to use it... but their use and quality of content is consistently inconsistent.

When the James Holmes shooting happened (the "Batman movie shooting" in 2012), it seemed useful for communicating what was happening... but that quickly went away within 10 minutes and reddit was actually a better source of up-to-date info.

I feel Twitter is best used for promotional purposes (company announcing new product, event, movie, etc.) or for "celebrities" to babble off about stuff (actors and athletes, mostly). It's not a good platform for communicating politics. Trump, being a "celebrity", never got that.

Of course, it's too late now and Twitter seems to be rolling along just fine. Yet we said the same thing about Facebook about five years ago, and it's been losing relevancy and heading for the toilet.

I'm the old man yelling at the sky when I say: Gimme Internets Messaging Boards!

I'm with you, I never got Twitter.  I tried to create a professional account, and almost never used it.  I just couldn't ever find a single thing worth tweeting that anyone would care about.  Within a few days of me trying though, there was an incident about 2 blocks from where I work.  I can't even remember what, a shooting or a building collapse or something.  I tweeted something about it, and a legitimate reporter immediately tweeted at me if I could give details as an "eye witness".  That's when I realized how bad Twitter reporting was.  I ignored her, but I bet I could've told her anything and she would've tweeted it as fact.  Twitter reporting is as bad as Twitter presidenting, and I absolutely despise how almost every real news source now has articles filled with nothing but tweets and they call this a news article.

So now when there's a major incident I just scroll through my feed occasionally, but it's all depressing shouting and fear-mongering and unsubstantiated reports and crazy opinions.  Then I have my "wrestling account" where I just follow a few hundred people from this world and I'll scroll occasionally during a Raw or Dynamite to hear everyone complain or kiss-ass or share an old clip or something. 

Twitter is different things to different people. 

To a well known person that has say 1,000,000 followers, Twitter can be monetized to promote product, whether their own or that of a sponsor. 

For people in the media, it's a means of communicating information in a more direct and prompt manner than is otherwise the case. This is how I use Twitter. I follow a significant amount of national, regional, and local sportswriters, sports bloggers, and sportscasters, not to mention pro wrestling oriented accounts. This is both useful for getting information and being in a position to react to and ask questions of these people. It frustrates me when I ask Dave Meltzer a legitimate question about Danny Hodge and he then ignores it, but argues with trolls about WWE and AEW TV ratings, so it's not perfect by any means. However, the general amount of information and interaction makes up for it. 

Where I think a lot of people get lost with Twitter is that they see it too much like Facebook. Twitter itself is partly to blame because it has made some changes over the past five or so years that were meant to make it more like Facebook. Here is the problem with that. At its heart, Facebook is about interacting with people you know, whether that is family, friends, neighbors, workmates, old classmates or whoever. It's about putting up your vacation photos and the Saturday afternoon trip to the farmers market. Twitter is about your interests, not connecting with your existing circle.

The average person should look at Twitter as an information feed tailormade for your own interests. If you don't want to read tweets complaining about politics, unfollow people. If you want politics, but only the kind that match your own views, follow appropriately. By all means, don't use the official Twitter app if you can avoid it. No one should be unhappy with their feed or feel like they get too much of something or other. It should reflect exactly what you want. And also, if you don't want to tweet about yourself, then don't. It isn't really a good tool for self expression, but it's great for getting information. There are people on it every day who might tweet once or twice per month, but want the info coming from the hundreds or thousands of accounts they follow.

The third party apps have some limitations due to Twitter restricting things like polls and the ability to see who "liked" your tweet. However, a third party app like Tweetbot enables you to get your feed 100% in chronological order with nothing pushed to the top because its trending, no tweets that Twitter put into your feed because the data says you'd be interested, and no ads.

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Private companies don't trust Trump with 280 characters.

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there's a much bigger issue here, right now Apple is currently in the middle of nuking Parler off their platform, google will do the same prob in a day or so and it'll be killed overall. You may not like it but when big tech can basically censor anything it wants we're treading on some fucked up ice right now..

I'm not on Parler, I'm not on Gab, I'm about done on twitter but one jesus, we're seeing blatant big tech censorship now and nobody is even blinking an eye..



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It's partly because there is no responsibility on the big tech companies. They pass themselves off as mere conduits rather than publishers to avoid responsibility for what goes on on their sites.

Which means that they can get away with allowing people to put the sort of speech that would be illegal; deliberately inciting violence or racial speech or whatever.

So the whole thing becomes voluntary or ad-hoc. But if Big Tech were subject to more regulation, this sort of banning would be more, not less, common.



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Trump's account was permanently suspended from Twitter today.

I guess it's a free service and they can theoretically do whatever the fuck they want.

But Twitter has free titties, so I'm not leaving voluntarily.

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