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 Posted: Wed Mar 31st, 2021 04:10 pm
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You tell us how this plays out



The video says one thing and is the prosecution's best offense. That and the unspoken fear of what an 'innocent' verdict would bring.


Kneeling on someone's neck has been done before. And without this drama. There's the argument that 'damned if you do damned if you don't' and that Floyd would have hurt innocent bystanders if not restrained.


Third option. Manslaughter, but not murder.







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fourth option: no opinion because the polls are closed. :)

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Poll ended already Beej. So you convicted him with one guilty vote, lol.


He's already dead in the court of public opinion because that is what society is now.


George Floyd should still be alive right now and the fact that he is not is mostly on him.


What exactly are cops supposed to do? He's(George Floyd) claustrophobic but seemed mostly fine inside his own vehicle. How much of that video was the cops simply trying to get him to comply?

Floyd was most obviously high on something and that and the overall stress of the situation is what did him in and might have done him in even had he complied and been brought in. Dying on the street or in a cell where the cops would still be fucked isn't much different.

We live in a society where people choose to glamorize criminals and drug addicts and make them the victims in any interaction with LEO's no matter the circumstances.

Cops are either supposed to let themselves be hurt or killed or just say " You don't want to be taken into custody, no problem we'll drop you off at Sizzler for lunch and have a great day.

Fuck that shit. I was raised to take personal responsibility for my actions. I don't have any fucks to give for what happens to dirtbags and criminals regardless of race, height, weight, whatever descriptive you want to use. A dirtbag is a dirtbag is a dirtbag.

Comply, don't die. Easy Peasy.



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There's gonna be trouble any way this goes.

Guilty: White people are upset, maybe some blow back from racially motivated hate groups. Regular citizens won't do much.

Not Guilty: Riots, lots of them, and any good that's been done through attempts to change the way things are between the races (small/miniscule as they may be in real life) will be scrapped. That all starts from scratch again, including sports leagues doing another strike/shutdown/whatever that was last time.

Manslaughter: If they go this way it is looked at as an attempt to please both sides, but in reality it will just make both sides madder about all this and more. Tensions escalate further.

My vote will be for number 1 simply because it's the easiest narrative to control, and if the White Supremacists strike back it plays it's easy for all folks outside of their bubble to condemn the actions.

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Its open. I changed the wording to the original post and it closed the poll. Open now though.

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My vote will be for number 1 simply because it's the easiest narrative to control, and if the White Supremacists strike back it plays it's easy for all folks outside of their bubble to condemn the actions.

Therein lies the problem, and hopefully the jury makes a decision based on the case and not because they fear ramifications of their decision.  if we're making court rulings now based on fear of riots, then the system is destroyed.



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Blazer wrote: khawk wrote:
My vote will be for number 1 simply because it's the easiest narrative to control, and if the White Supremacists strike back it plays it's easy for all folks outside of their bubble to condemn the actions.

Therein lies the problem, and hopefully the jury makes a decision based on the case and not because they fear ramifications of their decision.  if we're making court rulings now based on fear of riots, then the system is destroyed.
The system has been destroyed for a long time. And while they may try to be objective, there's no way they don't realize the implications of their decision before they hear all the evidence.

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He'll be found guilty. Warranted or not.  The ensuing riots if he's found innocent will be worse than the original bullshit that happened that so many people felt were justified. 


Completely innocent people lost their lives simply for being at the wrong place at the wrong time or for the crime of being Caucasian in public. Businesses burnt to the ground  by mostly peaceful armed and paid protesters(read looters).







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Angelic Assassin wrote: Poll ended already Beej. So you convicted him with one guilty vote, lol.


He's already dead in the court of public opinion because that is what society is now.


George Floyd should still be alive right now and the fact that he is not is mostly on him.


What exactly are cops supposed to do? He's(George Floyd) claustrophobic but seemed mostly fine inside his own vehicle. How much of that video was the cops simply trying to get him to comply?

Floyd was most obviously high on something and that and the overall stress of the situation is what did him in and might have done him in even had he complied and been brought in. Dying on the street or in a cell where the cops would still be fucked isn't much different.

We live in a society where people choose to glamorize criminals and drug addicts and make them the victims in any interaction with LEO's no matter the circumstances.

Cops are either supposed to let themselves be hurt or killed or just say " You don't want to be taken into custody, no problem we'll drop you off at Sizzler for lunch and have a great day.

Fuck that shit. I was raised to take personal responsibility for my actions. I don't have any fucks to give for what happens to dirtbags and criminals regardless of race, height, weight, whatever descriptive you want to use. A dirtbag is a dirtbag is a dirtbag.

Comply, don't die. Easy Peasy.

I defy anyone with a right mind to watch the Thomas Lane bodycam and admit that Floyd wasn't an absolute out-of-control beast the entire time.
I appreciate we can generally express our opinions here without being labeled racists.  I try to have an open mind, but what in the absolute fuck are the cops supposed to do when they're trying to get this guy to comply with simple requests and reasoning for 20-25 minutes? They've got other shit to attend to, and he was just blabbering out of control, non-stop, absolutely doped out of his mind.  They put him in the car and kicked his way out to the other side.  On the Thomas Lane bodycam, he interviews one of the passengers in Floyd's car at the beginning, and she basically says immediately that Floyd is a nutjob.
What were they supposed to do, let him go?  



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khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: khawk wrote:
My vote will be for number 1 simply because it's the easiest narrative to control, and if the White Supremacists strike back it plays it's easy for all folks outside of their bubble to condemn the actions.

Therein lies the problem, and hopefully the jury makes a decision based on the case and not because they fear ramifications of their decision.  if we're making court rulings now based on fear of riots, then the system is destroyed.
The system has been destroyed for a long time. And while they may try to be objective, there's no way they don't realize the implications of their decision before they hear all the evidence.


Yep, also, are the jurors able to keep their anonymity at this point in the world?  It seems that probably puts the fear of god into them too.  I don't know how they can try to protect the jurors, but I'm sure they don't want their shit out there in the open.



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The problem for BLM is that they went all-in on this one. They can't go back even if the footage says they should back off of this one.

If he's acquitted, they will be forced to protest and riot even if they know it's not the right one to be doing that for.

I would suspect the protests would take on a general tone more than a singular name if that does end up happening.

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Blazer wrote: khawk wrote: Blazer wrote: khawk wrote:
My vote will be for number 1 simply because it's the easiest narrative to control, and if the White Supremacists strike back it plays it's easy for all folks outside of their bubble to condemn the actions.

Therein lies the problem, and hopefully the jury makes a decision based on the case and not because they fear ramifications of their decision.  if we're making court rulings now based on fear of riots, then the system is destroyed.
The system has been destroyed for a long time. And while they may try to be objective, there's no way they don't realize the implications of their decision before they hear all the evidence.


Yep, also, are the jurors able to keep their anonymity at this point in the world?  It seems that probably puts the fear of god into them too.  I don't know how they can try to protect the jurors, but I'm sure they don't want their shit out there in the open.
I'd guess almost impossible in this day and age in a high profile case.

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He is guilty but will be found not guilty. We've all seen this movie before.



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khawk wrote: The problem for BLM is that they went all-in on this one. They can't go back even if the footage says they should back off of this one.

If he's acquitted, they will be forced to protest and riot even if they know it's not the right one to be doing that for.

I would suspect the protests would take on a general tone more than a singular name if that does end up happening.

Keep in mind, that's my interpretation after actually sitting down the other night and watching the entire Thomas Lane bodycam.  The full version was about 55 minutes, and that includes Lane getting in the fire truck afterwards and talking about what happened, and he states Floyd was on something.  Seemed like an intelligent, reasonable dude, just trying to do his job.  I didn't detect a malicious bone in his body.
Contrast that with the narrative by the MSM.  99.9% of the people on Twitter and Facebook haven't watched the video.  All of the white suburban moms and the left mouth-pieces.   They've only seen the snapshot of Chauvin with the knee or read about "I can't breathe."  They only know the Floyd-is-a-martyr narrative.  This is a snapshot of basically every case in which things go off the rails.  If people simply complied, these issues would go away.  Don't smart off, don't fight, don't run, don't pull a gun, etc.



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srossi wrote: He is guilty but will be found not guilty. We've all seen this movie before.

Guilty of what?  



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