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 Posted: Thu Nov 8th, 2018 08:06 pm
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Ultimark wrote: Ultimark wrote: Ron Helus, 54, a sergeant in the Ventura County Sheriff’s Office, was among the first to respond to the shooting, heading into the bar as the bullets flew. The veteran officer, who was married with an adult son, had been on the force 29 years and planned to retire within the next year.

Helus also owned a firearms training business.

“When he heard the gunfire, he ran in. He ran in and no doubt saved others,” Ventura County Sheriff’s Capt. Garo Kuredjian told CNN afterward. “That’s what cops do. That’s what he did.”
Some here think being armed in every setting will prevent tragedy.  It will not.  Ron Helus was exceptionally well trained, better than 99.8% of Americans.  Yet, the person intent on committing the act ALWAYS has an advantage.  No doubt, Helus knew that.  A true hero.  A normal civilian really has no chance unless it is a one on one, up close situation.  
I love the chickenhawks who pretend to be the type that would save the day.   The vast majority of them would instantly shit their pants and shoot either themselves in the leg or another innocent person. 

In fairness, when you're running into a situation where you don't know what's going on and the shooter has already established position, and the shooter happens to be a Marine with smoke bombs and what I'm guessing is significant weapons training, this is by no means the best example to use.  I do think in the chaos it's possible for a number of armed patrons to have taken him out because of the law of averages.  Lots of people said they got a clear view of him and were playing dead or something, and he can't look everywhere ta once.  That said, I'll never blindly discount the fact that many people will panic and could shoot themselves or an innocent person accidentally.  And the ones who post the most memes on Facebook will never draw their weapon and will just knock women out of the way while running.

Last edited on Thu Nov 8th, 2018 08:08 pm by srossi

This thread was great before AA ruined it.