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 Posted: Tue Oct 8th, 2019 01:41 pm
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tamalie wrote: srossi wrote: The comparisons to HIAC I are bullshit. That first one was VERY well booked. First of all, the arrival of Kane was teased for months and fans were excited to finally see him. Secondly, it was classic booking 101. Annoying heel gets the shit beat out of him for 25 minutes, taking multiple spectacular bumps in the process, and then wins on a fluke. Shawn came out of the match with more respect for taking the ass-whipping and he got the win. Taker lost absolutely nothing in defeat and moved on to a hot feud. The match itself was good. The result left everyone strong. Compare that to last night.  Not only did the match kill all of Rollins’ moves (how can anyone by pinned by him again without looking weak after Wyatt kicked out of everything 36 times?) but there’s really nowhere for either guy to go now. What’s next, a rematch?  Who the fuck wants to see that?  Maybe the next one will be in HIAC.  Oh wait...yeah, real smart to start with the blow-off gimmick match. 

Regarding Rollins and Bray, I saw Raw in bits and pieces, but apart from some brief highlights, the HIAC match from Sunday seemed to be ignored. I got the impression the WWE honchos are in a state of panic over how badly it bombed and are trying to find a way out of the trouble spot. Part of that plan seemed to be not using either guy tonight in an attempt to have more time to figure out an exit plan as well to quell fan anger by not waving a red flag at the enraged bull. With a draft coming up on SD this Friday and on Raw a week from tonight, it would not at all surprise me to see Seth and Bray get sent to separate shows in an attempt to completely ignore the HIAC fiasco and move forward on the basis that any repair jobs now would only make things worse.

As for the comparison of Taker and Shawn to Seth and Bray, the 1997 match was clearly better and was considered very innovative at the time. Both guys were also much more over than Seth and Bray. I don't know how much Shawn gained, but Taker didn't lose. Fans were excited to finally see Kane and were excited that Kane was worth seeing which was not a given considering that Kane was first mentioned on May 12, 1997 and didn't appear until October 5, 1997. Fans were beyond impatient and wondered if he'd ever arrive at one point. It worked and was worth waiting for. 

In the process of all this, the WWF promised fans a new type of cage match with a selling point that no interference would take place because no one could get into the cell and no one could get out of the cell because escape was impossible. There was implicitly a promise of a clean finish because how the WWE would get out of having someone lose cleanly seemed very difficult, if not impossible. Then Shawn got out of the cell, Kane got in, and Kane was the one to beat Undertaker rather than HBK. 

This all happened after an undercard that fans I think forgave the low quality of due to Pillman being found dead that day, not that it would have been much better had he lived and worked that evening, and that the fans accepted in general because the promotion was over as a whole. However, my point is that at different times in WWF/WWE history, the fans would not have been as forgiving, even if the HIAC match was just as good and paid off the fans in the form of new main event level star, because when the promotion is cold and fans are unhappy, they're not as willing to accept things they'd otherwise swallow during the hot times for a promotion.

I personally love 1997 WWF, and it seems like most people feel the same way 20+ years later.  However, conventional wisdom closer to that year was that the WWF sucked and didn't get hot until early 1998 when they strapped the rocket to Austin and did the Tyson deal ahead of WM.  1997 was very much viewed as a year that WCW dominated creatively and ratings-wise and the WWF floundered with lots of crappy mid-card factions battling it out ad nauseum (Los Boricuas vs. DOA, anyone?).  The saving grace was the red-hot Canadian crowds, which were viewed at the time as much more into the product than the U.S. crowds.  The funny thing is, the reactions that EVERYONE got in every city in 1997 absolutely obliterates anything you see today.  1998-2000 would take it to a different level, but WWE isn't even close to matching '97 intensity right now.  So I think everything is relative, but living through 1997 once, at the time you didn't get the feeling that the company and all of its stars were super over and the fanbase was just along for the ride.  But now it seems like the "good old days".     

Last edited on Tue Oct 8th, 2019 01:43 pm by srossi

This thread was great before AA ruined it.