View single post by tamalie
 Posted: Wed Oct 16th, 2019 04:52 pm
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The question of who gets in with certain groups and who does not has been a real problem for some fans, artists, and music media over the years because there is a lack of consistency and transparency in how the decisions are made.

- In the early days of the HOF, Ian Stewart went in along with Jagger, Richards, Watts, Wyman, Jones, Taylor, and Wood. I have no idea about the politics, but assume Jagger and Richards played hard ball and the HOF at a point when it was just a banquet event in New York and there wasn't a physical hall of fame went along with it to ensure they'd show up.

- The Supremes went in with only the original Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, and Florence Ballard trio. Cyndi Birdsong was excluded.

- When The Beach Boys went in, Bruce Johnston was left out.

- For KISS, it was only Gene, Paul, Ace, and Peter. I get that on a certain level as that was their peak fame era and that is the body of work on the basis of which they're popularity and induction were built. However, it seemed a bit unfair to post makeup guys like Kulick, Carr, and Singer.

- Nirvana went in with Cobain, Novoselic, and Grohl, but the guy who drummed on "Bleach", Chad Canning, got left out. Compare that to some other groups in which original members got in while better known later members did not.

- To stretch from that point, Pearl Jam went in with Vedder, McCready, Gossard, Ament, drummer since the late 1990s Matt Cameron, and Dave Krusen who drummed on "Ten" yet Dave Abbruzzese who drummed on "Vs." and "Vitalogy" and who toured "Ten" was left out in what he rightfully considered a massive insult. He didn't leave the band on good terms and Eddie Vedder was quick to say his exclusion in this case was not of the band's doing at all. Krusen was astonished to be included and even more so that his immediate successor was left on the outside.

- However Red Hot Chili Peppers went in with Keidis, Flea, Smith, and Frusciante plus Slovak, Jack Irons (who drummed for Pearl Jam between Abbruzzese and Cameron and was also omitted), founding drummer Cliff Martinez, and, to the confusion and outrage of many, Josh Klinghoffer who replaced Frusciante in 2009 which was long after the band's creative, commercial, and cultural relevance peaks.

- Bon Jovi went in with the five core members plus Hugh McDonald who as a studio sideman and touring member replaced Such after he left, but didn't become an official member until a few ago.

It has been said more than once in the past several years that the HOF decides who gets in and who doesn't when bands have high membership turnover with being an original member and/or being on the key album or single being the decider. However, when that doesn't get applied across the board, it undermines the credibility of an institution that you can argue is on shaky ground in this regard in the first place.

Last edited on Wed Oct 16th, 2019 04:55 pm by tamalie