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 Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 12:38 pm
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You are right in it being out of context BJ, and how PSV felt about that angle at the time is not portrayed accurately.  Most of what we watched as kids was based on emotion (alot of the actual wrestling wasn't that great). 

Claw-the old AWA tapes I've seen of the Murdoch/Rhodes team makes me like them a lot.  I liked that version of Rhodes, and I openly despise "thstardustht".



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 Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 10:29 pm
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What angle was not portrayed correctly?  Are you saying that you saw all the matches and interviews that I have seen to make tha kind of remark?  I think you have stated an opinion which is accurate in your mind but is generally based on very little information.  What?  You saw a couple of matches on 24/7?  So, this makes my opinion inaccurate and my opinion wrong? 

You keep going back to their ringwork, and I do not know of too many people who have claimed that their ringwork was something extraordinary. 

There were many wrestlers in that time period who have been perceived as so-called "great professional wrestlers" but their ringwork was not considered very good by others.  Dick the Bruiser is the one that comes to mind for me.  Was Bruno's ringwork actually that great?  Why were people screaming and jumping up and down at MSG when he was beating the hell out of an opponent? 

I have no idea what criteria you are using as a measurement in this discussion.

Should they be in the HOF or regarded as a good tagteam because of their ringwork?  No.  I can go with that, but let me begin my list of other so-called greats that also may have not measured up with their ring skills alone.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 11:46 pm
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Papa Voo wrote: What angle was not portrayed correctly?  Are you saying that you saw all the matches and interviews that I have seen to make tha kind of remark?  I think you have stated an opinion which is accurate in your mind but is generally based on very little information.  What?  You saw a couple of matches on 24/7?  So, this makes my opinion inaccurate and my opinion wrong? 

You keep going back to their ringwork, and I do not know of too many people who have claimed that their ringwork was something extraordinary. 

There were many wrestlers in that time period who have been perceived as so-called "great professional wrestlers" but their ringwork was not considered very good by others.  Dick the Bruiser is the one that comes to mind for me.  Was Bruno's ringwork actually that great?  Why were people screaming and jumping up and down at MSG when he was beating the hell out of an opponent? 

I have no idea what criteria you are using as a measurement in this discussion.

Should they be in the HOF or regarded as a good tagteam because of their ringwork?  No.  I can go with that, but let me begin my list of other so-called greats that also may have not measured up with their ring skills alone.


You're completely out of context.  Chill.  I am talking that the angles that YOU saw in sequence/correctly is something that WE DID NOT see correctly.  Thus, your interpretation is vastly different than ours in seeing them on 24/7 for the first time (for that era).

And regarding the HOF, they'd induct Steve King and Davey O'Hannon, along with Liberace, Pete Rose, and Mr. Ed.  The Valiants definitely belong in. 

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 Posted: Fri Jan 18th, 2008 11:58 pm
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Never got uptight about it. 

Just not sure of the way you were wording things, so I think the chillin' part would be on you.



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Papa Voo wrote: Terry, we went round and round over this issue with Strongbow on KM.  The Valiants may not have been special to you, but they definitely sparked entertainment value for other fans out there.  I can live with that.

I meant exactly what I said: Nothing special. They were a generic heel tag team, nothing special in the ring or on the mic. Just three guys doing the bleached blond heel thing. The fact they could so easily plug in a replacement for Jimmy validates that. Ho hum.

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They are just one of those things that you can go around and around on.

The 1970s WWWF was just loaded with debatable guys. Putski, Strongbow, Monsoon - all were attractions. None could wrestle their way out of a wet paper bag.

Bruno ? Kick and punch though. Ah-ha - now that Backlund could wrestle! (But did he draw?) well then Graham could draw (but he couldn't work)

And around and around we go.

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 Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 03:08 am
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You got it, beej. 

It is all a matter of opinion.  I just find it somewhat humorous that people will state it as a fact that some guys were attractions while others were more of a professional wrestler.  I really think it is difficult to distinguish between the two.   

Terry, like I said, they may have been nothing special to you, but I would contend that there were many people from that time period that would disagree with you.  I do not disagree with you.

As for the plugging in of Jerry into the mix, I for one think that there was a big dropoff from the earlier team when Jerry stepped in.  I know for a fact that some people disagree with my opinion and even liked the Johnny and Jerry team better.  To each his own, but I do not buy into that at all.



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 Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 01:43 pm
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Papa Voo wrote: You got it, beej. 

It is all a matter of opinion.  I just find it somewhat humorous that people will state it as a fact that some guys were attractions while others were more of a professional wrestler.  I really think it is difficult to distinguish between the two.   

Terry, like I said, they may have been nothing special to you, but I would contend that there were many people from that time period that would disagree with you.  I do not disagree with you.

As for the plugging in of Jerry into the mix, I for one think that there was a big dropoff from the earlier team when Jerry stepped in.  I know for a fact that some people disagree with my opinion and even liked the Johnny and Jerry team better.  To each his own, but I do not buy into that at all.

You saw the first run.  Did you ever think that they were created to be a "modern-day" (70's version) of the original Grahams?  From the limited footage I've seen of the Grahams, I see some similarities.



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No, I have never seen the Original Grahams.

I would not have had that to compare them to. 



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 Posted: Sat Jan 19th, 2008 11:29 pm
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HBF wrote: Papa Voo wrote: You got it, beej. 

It is all a matter of opinion.  I just find it somewhat humorous that people will state it as a fact that some guys were attractions while others were more of a professional wrestler.  I really think it is difficult to distinguish between the two.   

Terry, like I said, they may have been nothing special to you, but I would contend that there were many people from that time period that would disagree with you.  I do not disagree with you.

As for the plugging in of Jerry into the mix, I for one think that there was a big dropoff from the earlier team when Jerry stepped in.  I know for a fact that some people disagree with my opinion and even liked the Johnny and Jerry team better.  To each his own, but I do not buy into that at all.

You saw the first run.  Did you ever think that they were created to be a "modern-day" (70's version) of the original Grahams?  From the limited footage I've seen of the Grahams, I see some similarities.

There's some truth in that.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 21st, 2008 09:23 pm
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This team was one of the most colorful teams in the era.  For the WWWF, they truly stood out.  Interviews were colorful and exciting.  they wewre a good team to watch.

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