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We have Green Bay hosting the NY Giants. The Pats hosting the San Diego Chargers.

As usual with the NFL there isn't just games to consider but the "storylines" (LOL) as well. ZERO degrees in Green Bay. Eli still playing while Peyton is at home. Giants doing unexplainably well on the road. Is it Favre's last run? Pats trying for the undefeated run. The Chargers eight game win streak (getting hot at the right time?) The Charger's injury situation.

Anyway, all on the table  and more ~ discuss

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I am really pulled two different ways on the AFC game, because I detest everything the Patriots with Beli-cheat stand for.  But, over the last few weeks, I have REALLY found Phillip Rivers annoying with him popping his mouth off to opposing players and fans.  He just seems like a spoiled brat, and you always root for those guys to lose. 

As for the Pats, I respect Brady as a player and his accomplishments as a NFL QB, but he is beginning to sound like an arrogant ass like Belichick each week.  The thing I hate the most about the Pats is how Ted Bruschi is worshipped up there.  It would not surprise me a bit if the Boston media swayed the Pats fan base that Bruschi is the new messiah and that he could walk on water. 

Saying all that, I am supporting the Bolts agains the Pats. 

In the NFC, I think it would be cool for Favre to go out with a Super Bowl win, but Madden would probably spooge all over himself on national TV if that happened.  I do not if he could handle it. 

A Giants Super Bowl victory would not bother me in the least.  It would mean that they either beat the Chargers or the Pats and that is fine by me.

I will be supporting the NFC this year in the Super Bowl no matter which team gets there.

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I definitely want to see the undefeated run by the Pats. I don't really remember the 72 Dolphins.

The NFC doesn't do much for me at this point but it wouldn't surprise me if the NFC team gave the Pats (or the Chargers -- sorry T-bolt) a run for the Super Bowl win in a one game situation on a neutral field.

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My hatred for the 72 Dolphins is greater than my hatred for the Pats. So I'm rooting for The Pats to win it all just to fuck the 72 Dolphins.

Rivers is hurt. I like The Pats to win for that reason. Pats can't stop anybody most of the time but as we learned last week, all it takes is two or three defensive stops by the Pats and they'll win the game. San Diego's only chance is to injure Brady.

Green Bay will beat the Giants. The only chance the Giants have is to injure Favre or at least put a hurting on him. He'll start throwing picks if you pressure him early in the game.

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I'm not delusional about the Bolts' chances tomorrow. Even without the injuries I'd be reserved about predicting a Chargers' win.  If the improbable happens and the Chargers do win, I'll be ecstatic, but I won't be saying "I knew it all along".  I'll still be rooting for the upset though.  Hell, after the start they got off to, this streak and two playoff wins almost feels like found money.  Norv surprised everybody (especially me) and managed to pull it all together, and just at the right time.

A Bolts win makes me happy for obvious reasons.  A Bolts loss gives me schadenfreude because somewhere the '72 Dolphins are all growing more and more bitter and whiney.  I'd prefer the former though.

As for the NFC, I don't see Green Bay losing. Something serendipitous is going on up there I feel.

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beejmi wrote: I definitely want to see the undefeated run by the Pats. I don't really remember the 72 Dolphins.


They weren't  that good. They were  underdogs in the SuperBowl.

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I think Volek playing would not hurt the Bolts too much.

I agree about the '72 Dolphins, but this Pats will be the same or even worse in years to come, if they go undefeated.  There is no way that the '72 fins were the best team ever assembled.  Right place, Right schedule and Right time.

Two keys for the Bolts to win..1) the pressure and containment that the Bolts d-line can generate against the Pats...2)LT -If they can can control the time of posession with him running the ball effectively, I think they can make a very good game of it. 

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Volek winning would be great.  

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I just saw a post over at OSW that I made in August that predicted an NY-NE SB. I'm pulling for the Giants, now.

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As a long time G-Man fan, this should be a good game.  The G-Men have been placing a lot of pressure on the QBs of late.  If they are able to put pressure of Brett, it may cause him to throw the ball away.

 

Go Blue!!!!

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clawmaster wrote:

Green Bay will beat the Giants. The only chance the Giants have is to injure Favre or at least put a hurting on him. He'll start throwing picks if you pressure him early in the game.


As a great black radical turned crackhead hypeman rapper once said

"DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE"

 

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And here we go....

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That interception might just be the mistake the Chargers could not afford to make....


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Am I imagining things or was Rivers leg whipped/tripped by Vrabel which affected his delivery?  I would think that was a penalty.  Pitiful job by Chambers on the catch.

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Chris Chambers, for as happy as I was when we picked him up from Miami  midseason, is the biggest pussy ever when it come to fighting for the ball.

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Chargers need to go with Volek in the second half.

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I was thinking the same thing.

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Bill Cowher agrees with you guys.

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I love the outcome

1) Pats win, 72 Dolphins edge closer to suicide

2) Philip Rivers and Tomlinson can suck it

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Giants up on the Packers halfway through the third. No reason to think it won't go right to the wire.

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Tied in the fourth...

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This is an awesome game.  What a stupid pass interference to give the Giants a great shot to take the lead.

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Giants are about to pull off a huge upset here.  4 seconds left, they just need to make the field goal.

Last edited on Mon Jan 21st, 2008 03:01 am by srossi

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Lawrence Tynes is one of the worst kickers in modern NFL kicking.

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Tynes is gonna get another chance shortly.

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And Tynes makes the hard one....go figure

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Goat to hero.  3rd time's a charm!

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I love it that Favre choked.

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Everyone I worked with today left early to go watch this Giants vs Packers game. New York City is about to go crazy right now.

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The '72 Dolphins can start planning their mass cyanide-laced kool aid party. The only way the Giants win is if Mercury Morris murders Tom Brady.

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LAF wrote: The '72 Dolphins can start planning their mass cyanide-laced kool aid party. The only way the Giants win is if Mercury Morris murders Tom Brady.
He might rabbit, he might.

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Wow!:D

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clawmaster wrote: I love it that Favre choked.

:)

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The Giants going to the Super Bowl shows had bad the NFC really is. Remember LAF's theory on the NFL's top five teams. He had all AFC teams listed. I called it the NFC really sucks theory. LAF has been proven correct. Green Bay and Dallas were posers.

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clawmaster wrote: The Giants going to the Super Bowl shows had bad the NFC really is. Remember LAF's theory on the NFL's top five teams. He had all AFC teams listed. I called it the NFC really sucks theory. LAF has been proven correct. Green Bay and Dallas were posers.

Unless of course the Giants win then you could argue that he had a shitty "Top Five" ;)

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I am only hoping that New england beat the Giants by more than 9.  Comparative relative justification and all that.

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That was the worst excuse of a game plan by the Packers I've ever seen. Where was Ryan Grant? Did Favre absolutely think he had to throw it deep every time?

I do admit that it was quite fun to see Favre throw into heavy traffic and get bitten in the ass nearly every time.

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HBF wrote: Wow!:D
I agree, still in shock this morning.

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Great game.  We Giants fans could never have expected this.

Go Giants!

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ntrots wrote: Great game.  We Giants fans could never have expected this.

Go Giants!


Right on!

I agree with Hammer To Fall that the Pack abandoned the run a bit too quickly, but the Giants D is almost completely different than the beginning of the year (in terms of level).  They are tough, and I think they are going to keep it very close in the SB.

I can only hope for a Giants win!

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ntrots wrote: Great game.  We Giants fans could never have expected this.

Go Giants!


Speak for yourself, I expected this, and never once doubted Eli, when everybody said he sucked,i had faith in him.

Now this the test, i don't like this 2 week layoff, i wish the superbowl was next week, because the Giants are hot, 2 week superbowl's usually end up with Superbowl blowouts, so i am kinda worried now

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Congrats Giants fans.

They deserved this.They outplayed the Packers the entire game and a loss would have been an injustice.I like the Giants toughness and their head coach.They will go into the Super Bowl with a chip on their shoulders and as usual it will come down to the good Eli or the bad Eli.

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Congrats to the Giants. At no time from opening day (even right up to the conference championship game) did I think they had a shot.

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The Giants going to the Super Bowl shows had bad the NFC really is. Remember LAF's theory on the NFL's top five teams. He had all AFC teams listed. I called it the NFC really sucks theory. LAF has been proven correct. Green Bay and Dallas were posers.

No way. The Giants are as hot now as the Steelers were in the '05 playoffs. Even for NE they're dangerous. The SB is going to be a grudge match.

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I got a feeling they are going to get blown out in the Super Bowl, but I rooting for the Giants all the way! 

 

Go Giants!!!

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I think the Giants are going to win a close game against New England by a field goal.

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Allow me to be the first to tell you that you are crazy.

Only way the Pats lose is they get out coached. Aint happening.

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beejmi wrote: Allow me to be the first to tell you that you are crazy.

Only way the Pats lose is they get out coached. Aint happening.

Beej, did you feel the same way about Dallas & Green Bay ?
The Giants are in a zone, where they can do no wrong.
I'm not saying the Giants will win, but how many people thought
they'd get this far ?
I'm waiting for a few days before I send in my picks, in case
some one gets injured or shot in a strip joint.

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Dallas and Green Bay were nowhere near as good as their regular season records indicated. Comparing them to New England or almost every other AFC playoff team is apples and oranges.

The Giants got hot and beat two wildly overrated teams. Nice accomplishment, but this has become like mid 80s-mid 90s AFC.

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LAF wrote: Dallas and Green Bay were nowhere near as good as their regular season records indicated. Comparing them to New England or almost every other AFC playoff team is apples and oranges.

The Giants got hot and beat two wildly overrated teams. Nice accomplishment, but this has become like mid 80s-mid 90s AFC.

More like entire 80s to mid-90s AFC.

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I'd agree, but the Raiders won 2 Super Bowls in the early 80s.

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lobo316 wrote: beejmi wrote: Allow me to be the first to tell you that you are crazy.

Only way the Pats lose is they get out coached. Aint happening.

Beej, did you feel the same way about Dallas & Green Bay ?
The Giants are in a zone, where they can do no wrong.
I'm not saying the Giants will win, but how many people thought
they'd get this far ?
I'm waiting for a few days before I send in my picks, in case
some one gets injured or shot in a strip joint.


Can I steal a line from Bobby Heenan?

Comparing New England to the NFC teams is like comparing ice cream to horse manure.

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I still think the Pats can be beaten.

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lobo316 wrote: I still think the Pats can be beaten.
I agree. 

Krazykid is spot-on on the Giants. 

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lobo316 wrote: I still think the Pats can be beaten.
Oh, I agree, but I think there close scares against teams like the Ravens were games that they played flat.  Every team encounters these games during the season.  I just do not think the Pats are going to come out flat for this game.  I can hope and wish, but I think they are going to come out guns blazing.

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LAF wrote: I'd agree, but the Raiders won 2 Super Bowls in the early 80s.
Your facts have no meaning to me.

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LAF wrote: Dallas and Green Bay were nowhere near as good as their regular season records indicated. Comparing them to New England or almost every other AFC playoff team is apples and oranges.

The Giants got hot and beat two wildly overrated teams. Nice accomplishment, but this has become like mid 80s-mid 90s AFC.


I agree. You must also factor in the "Favre factor". Brett, as great as he is and has been, has single-handedly lost more games than any other player in NFL history.

 

Brett did exactly as Brett does and turned into an idiot, rookie QB with a good arm in the last quarter (plus the very end of the 3rd) of that game. I didn't think the Packers could make it simply because I would have been SHOCKED if Favre didn't start chucking up ridiculous throws toward the end of a big game.

 

With that said, the Giants are hot and have "a shot", but new England is on a whole other level than GB or Dallas. The Giants will have to bring their best game of the season AND hope the Pats are off.

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Your last paragraph, Bayou, makes perfect sense.

The beauty of a Giants win would mean that the Dolphins undefeated record is broken (the Pats beat it by one) and Boston is not celebrating a second title this year.  I still hate Boston even though I like Brady (Michigan QB) and Belichick (he'll always be a Giant to me).



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