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Can of worms here ~ basically looking for your thoughts on the whole clan. Certainly enough sad stories in here.

Was David about to become the NWA champion? Would they have drawn well outside of Texas? What was up with David as a heel in Florida? Did he have that schtick anywhere else? Which one was "the best" - and which of the clan didn't belong anywhere near a wrestling ring?

Does anyone here remember Fritz as an active competitor? What was it in the end that killed off the "World Class" territory?

And feel free to bring up your own questions and points in regards to the legendary Von Erich family.

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I was really only exposed to Kerry & that was during his WWF run & when watching footage from then I still enjoy his in ring work but his mic skills where lame. 

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Big can of worms here.

First off - 3 of the 20 most overrated wrestlers of the 1980's are in this bunch - David being the biggest offender.

David was fine in the ring buit his interviews were awful - no way he should get the title. 

Kerry - Awesome look.  Absolutely awesome.  Dumb as a bag of rocks.  Horrible interviews that improved when he got to the cue card WWF.  I like him best of the main 3 here.

Kevin - Good wrestler.  Decent interview.  Maybe the best all around of the 3.  But a midcarder anywhere other than WCCW.  Just not "exciting" to me.

I wont even get into Mike. 

Deaths and drugs killed WCCW. 

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I'm more familiar with the Myth and Legend of David than the actual wrestler. 

Kerry was one of my fav's growing up, but looking back, he was kind of a loser. 

Kevin, I didn't get then, but I do now.  I agree that he would have been midcard anywhere but Texas. 

Mike sucked.  Sorry.

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Mike didn't want to be a wrestler.  He was in the ring because of Fritz, not his ego. 

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I watched them all in their primes. David was the best of the brothers. Then Kevin. Then Kerry. Mike was a joke. I don't count Chris.

I think Kevin would have been pushed in a lot of places. He was a Von Erich and was a good high flyer for the time period.

Kerry was the most charismatic of the brothers. He had star power because of his physique. The Modern Day Warrior gimmick suited him well too. Whenever I hear Tom Sawyer by Rush, I do think of Kerry.

I did not see as much of David in real time as I did of Kevin and Kerry. But on tape he comes off to me better as a heel. His Florida stint is proof of that. Track it down if you can. Maybe he could have worked as NWA Champion because he could be heel or face. I'd have rather seen Ted DiBiase get the strap if we are talking about wrestlers from that time period though.

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Never liked any of them, but I never saw David or Chris.

Mike would have been a carpenter if he had had a different last name.

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I've liked what I've seen of them but overall I think I prefer them in teams. David and Kevin or Kevin and Kerry or David, Kevin and Kerry. I think David would have improved and become a huge star had he not died. I also feel Kevin could have done more but personally I think it's too bad the Von Erichs as a team never went further in wrestling. They were a surprisingly good tandem as witnessed by their wars with the Freebirds. Kerry certainly didn't come across as very intelligent in interviews but I think had he had his head screwed on a bit better, he would have been a much bigger star too, maybe even a multiple NWA and/or AWA World Champion, possibly even a WWF champ at some point.

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David: Not a big fan outside of his heel run that Claw mentioned. That is some good stuff from Florida, I agree.

NWA Champ material? I don't see it...never have.

Kerry: Didn't mind him in the ring, but agree with BigJ's "dumb as a bag of rocks" sentiment. I hope it was just the drugs that made him seem so stupid.

Kevin: I don't mind Kevin so much. Not sure why. Might be because his offense always looked really stiff to me, which is cool. I'll never understand how anyone wrestled barefoot, though.

Mike: I feel bad he got pushed into the business because you can visualize him as a vet or a shoe salesman or something else, ANYTHING else but a wrestler.

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khawk wrote: Mike: I feel bad he got pushed into the business because you can visualize him as a vet or a shoe salesman or something else, ANYTHING else but a wrestler.

Maybe a disabled vet.

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Kevin's offense always looked stiff because most of the time he was shoot punching guys. Even now watching him host WCCW on 24/7, I'm not sure anyone's clued him in to wrestling being a work yet.

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khawk wrote:
Mike: I feel bad he got pushed into the business ...
Not just pushed into something he clearly did not want to do, nor had any real ability at, but pushed as being "the best athlete out of all the boys".

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sek69 wrote: Kevin's offense always looked stiff because most of the time he was shoot punching guys. Even now watching him host WCCW on 24/7, I'm not sure anyone's clued him in to wrestling being a work yet.

:D that explains it.

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texasdeathmatch wrote: khawk wrote:
Mike: I feel bad he got pushed into the business ...
Not just pushed into something he clearly did not want to do, nor had any real ability at, but pushed as being "the best athlete out of all the boys".

You can tell me he had a real choice to do something else besides wrestle, but I won't believe it.

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clawmaster wrote: I watched them all in their primes. David was the best of the brothers. Then Kevin. Then Kerry. Mike was a joke. I don't count Chris.

I think Kevin would have been pushed in a lot of places. He was a Von Erich and was a good high flyer for the time period.

Kerry was the most charismatic of the brothers. He had star power because of his physique. The Modern Day Warrior gimmick suited him well too. Whenever I hear Tom Sawyer by Rush, I do think of Kerry.

I did not see as much of David in real time as I did of Kevin and Kerry. But on tape he comes off to me better as a heel. His Florida stint is proof of that. Track it down if you can. Maybe he could have worked as NWA Champion because he could be heel or face. I'd have rather seen Ted DiBiase get the strap if we are talking about wrestlers from that time period though.
I think they are overated yet underated if that is even possible. In retrospect they werent the best all around workers, each one lacked at least one thing.

Kevin seemed kind of boring. David's mic work was suspect, Kerry seemed to be sloppy at times in the ring, Mike was Mike and etc. At the same time the Big 3 could put on decent matches. As a kid watching them every week I thought they were awesome. Maybe the whole presentation is what made them seem so great.

People seem to have a problem seperating  Von Erich the wrestling perfomers from the Addkinsons. They get dogged because of the stigma of how they went out and their promotional decisions.

Clawmaster: You wrote you saw the Von Erichs in real time I am curious how old you were when it was real time? In all the discussions about the von erichs it seems everyone caught them as a kid or teenager. I always wondered how they were viewed by fans say who were adults when they were at their peak.

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khawk wrote:
texasdeathmatch wrote: khawk wrote:
Mike: I feel bad he got pushed into the business ...
Not just pushed into something he clearly did not want to do, nor had any real ability at, but pushed as being "the best athlete out of all the boys".

You can tell me he had a real choice to do something else besides wrestle, but I won't believe it.

That's the thing, he had no choice. The only choice he probably ever got to make for himself was to do what he did in the end.

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I remember one interview... Bill Mercer or Lowrance had all of the brothers at ringside.  Mike was getting ready to make his debut against Akbar.  One of the VE's mentioned that Mike was the best athlete of them all, and  Mike looked embarrassed and that he couldn't wait to get away from the camera. 

anyone see the footage of Mike right after the Toxic Shock Syndrome?  There was a press conference with Mike, Fritz, the doctor, etc...Mike looked nearly dead (which he was), his eyes were strange and he was slurring words. All Fritz could talk about was his comeback at the stadium show.  Very few wrestlers I feel sad about, but to this day I have trouble with what happened to Mike.

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When they try to ask Mike when people can expect to see him in action, he can only mumble something about going to the upcoming Cotton Bowl show. I'm surprised they showed it on TV since it was clear his brain was mush at that point.

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Here is the way I view the Von Erich's:

They really did not impress me at all.  I just could not get in the hype.

In saying that, I do respect their following in World Class.  The crowds were absolutely nuts over them, so they were doing something right for that area.

I think they are another case of a territory dictating what they like. 

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texasdeathmatch wrote: khawk wrote:
texasdeathmatch wrote: khawk wrote:
Mike: I feel bad he got pushed into the business ...
Not just pushed into something he clearly did not want to do, nor had any real ability at, but pushed as being "the best athlete out of all the boys".

You can tell me he had a real choice to do something else besides wrestle, but I won't believe it.

That's the thing, he had no choice. The only choice he probably ever got to make for himself was to do what he did in the end.

 

I read you rpost a little closer this time..the first time I thought you were saying he wasn't pushed into the business. My bad. :? I see what you are saying now.

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Watching tapes of WCCW nowadays, it's amazing that they got over as much as they did. David had ability, Kerry had the physique, but they weren't all that.

Fritz got them over HUGE though.

(Obviously) I was a Freebird guy anyway. :D

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BuddyPSHayes wrote: I was a Freebird guy anyway. :D

You aren't the only one. :dude:



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