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The more I look at the WWF during its expansion year of 1984, the more I think the entire promotion was very unfocused and disorganized in its booking. Problems inevitably came up due to the WWF expanding at such a fast pace in 1984 that it seemed to be unable to keep everything in place.

- It went from producing Championship Wrestling and All Star Wrestling as syndicated shows to adding the original version of Superstars plus Maple Leaf Wrestling for Canada and Wrestling At The Chase for St. Louis as well. It went from airing the odd MSG card and All American Wrestling on USA to also having Prime Time Wrestling and TNT. The WWF brought aboard World Championship Wrestling and Best of World Championship Wrestling on WTBS too.

- The talent roster swelled. From the final couple of weeks in 1983 through the end of 1984, in came Hulk Hogan, David Schults, Roddy Piper, Greg Valentine, Bob Orton Jr., Adrian Adonis, Dick Murdoch, Nikolai Volkoff, Jesse Ventura, Ken Patera, Brutus Beefcake, Hillbilly Jim, Blackjack Mulligan, Barry Windham, Mike Rotundo, Tonga Kid, Junkyard Dog, Bobby Heenan, Gene Okerlund, Jack Brisco, Jerry Brisco, Bret Hart, Davey Boy Smith, Dynamite Kid, Mr. Wrestling II, The Spoiler, Les Thornton, Mad Dog Vachon, Buddy Rose, Bruno Sammartino, David Sammartino, Mil Mascaras, and Angelo Mosca.

- Guys who came in and then departed before the year ended were Michael Hayes, Terry Gordy, Buddy Roberts, Kamala, Buzz Sawyer, Billy Jack, and Brian Blair, meanwhile Tony Atlas left and came back.

- Sgt. Slaughter, The Wild Samoans, Bob Backlund, Masked Superstar, and Eddie Gilbert all headed to the exit.

- The WWF also ran its first house shows in such places as the Twin Cities, Chicago, Cincinnati, Columbus, Atlanta, Norfolk, Richmond, Memphis, Nashville, Louisville, Birmingham, Miami, Jacksonville, Oakland, Sacramento, Fresno, St. Louis, Kansas City, Toronto, Dallas, Houston, Calgary, Montreal, Winnipeg, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, Ottawa, Vancouver, and Oklahoma City. It had already opened up Detroit and Cleveland very late in 1983 and had its syndicated TV in many more markets.

The scheduling was often insane with no consideration given to concentrating certain crews in a particular region for several days. John Studd worked consecutive dates in Providence, the Twin Cities, Los Angeles, and Kansas City in November. Tito Santana had a run that took him on consecutive days from Phoenix to Chicago to a TV taping in Poughkeepsie, NY and then Columbus.

To me examples of the booking lacking focus are as follows:

- Hulk Hogan's title reign in general. Hulk faced a lot of different opponents, but can anyone think of a single notable angle or feud he had that year? He and Schults had a bloodbath in Minneapolis, but what built it up and what came of it? What was behind his matches with the likes of Valentine, Studd, and others?

- Andre The Giant vs. Big John Studd was played out in the WWF in 1983, but kept rolling through 1984 and into 1985. The haircut angle at least rebuilt the heat, but it seemed like it was leading to a hair vs. hair match that never happened.

- The famous Piper's Pit with Snuka and the coconut was, with the exception of St. Louis TV, not aired for about two months. Why not?

- Big John Studd was managed by Freddie Blassie in 1983. Then was managed by Roddy Piper in early 1984 in a forgotten piece of wrestling history. Studd was seconded by Mr. Fuji at least once. Then he was with Bobby Heenan by the fall. I don't think there was a single angle to explain any of this.

- Other brief manager/wrestler pairings that came and went in a hurry were Albano/Spoiler, Albano/Patera, Valiant/Spoiler, Heenan/Rose, and Albano/Sawyer.

There was also the curious case of Piper managing Orndorff early in the year with Heenan taking over later. Then the Heenan/Orndorff pairing was forgotten in the build up to Wrestlemania in 1985 only to be suddenly remembered when they turned Paul babyface.

- At MSG, they had the match pitting Adonis and Murdoch against the Samoans with Albano as referee, torn between the teams. Then they had a six man tag the next month at MSG with Slaughter and the Samoans defeating Albano, Murdoch, and Adonis cleanly in what would seem to have been the blow off match. However, on the next MSG show they inexplicably brought back Afa vs. Murdoch and Sika vs. Adonis in singles bouts.

- Captain Lou Albano was pushed big as a heel almost to the very moment he turned babyface, including at TV tapings, as if the WWF decided very late to turn him.

- There was the strange deal with Samula going on Piper's Pit and speaking perfect English while standing up to Roddy. It appeared he was going to go after Hot Rod as revenge for Snuka. Then the whole episode was forgotten and Tonga Kid got the push instead.

- There was also the continued use of Samula as an undercard heel when Afa and Sika had turned babyface.

- The Spoiler was billed as National Champion and Les Thornton as Junior Heavyweight Champion for a few weeks only for the belts to be dropped without further mention.

- The general signing of guys they didn't have plans for. Even some guys who got pushed later were stuck on house show prelims without angles for a while.

Somehow the WWF prospered in spite of this messy booking and overall planning.

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Very interesting points.

Just speculating, but I'd say that maybe in some instances ideas were dropped quickly, but once the ship would gain momentum in some direction it would at times be hard to shift. I would guess that once they settled on Samoans vs Adonis/Murdoch for late Spring and early summer of '84, they did not have much foresight into the next step with so much going on and so many new guys being signed. They started booking 2 and then on some nights 3 arenas per night, so when a few programs could be considered mainstays, they were left going for a while, lest there be even more balls in the air at once.

Maybe Hogan got hotter faster than originally thought, so they may have become scattered in how to use him. In the east, the program with Shultz fizzled - they did the NY-area battle at the Meadowlands in a 7 minute clean win for Hogan if I recall. Perhaps when they first programmed Shultz vs Hogan it was before they came up with other areas where they could use, or needed to use Hogan. It was not long before the attendance for Hogan shows started to largely outdraw some of the B and C crew house shows that had Sgt Slaughter on top. So the Shultz angle passed quickly. I am just guessing here.

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When in '84 was Superstars added?  What was generally the format and when did it change if it did?  I only have one ep from early spring and it's hosted in a bright blue studio with exclusive interviews including an exclusive Piper's Pit, plus a few Kiel matches and some recycled matches from Championship or All-Star.  I have some clips from later in the year of an episode where Roger Kent and Blackjack Mulligan hosted and the matches are from Maple Leaf Gardens with new commentary by the hosts.

Studd's million managers is one of the weirder things if you watch TV from that era.

The Piper-Snuka thing reminded me that I read something awhile back about how much of a mess the syndicated TV (at least Championship) was in the middle of the year, so I'd like to hear more about that.

How long was TNT a two hour show/when was it cut to an hour?  Did the longer format usually feature regular matches instead of just clips to introduce the guests?

How long was the Chase show taped at the hotel (returning to the ballroom after the NWA show had been in the TV studio for years), how long was it made up of Kiel footage (and was there footage from other shows when it was Kiel-based), and when did it become a renamed version of one of the other syndicated shows (first Superstars, then Championship, I think)?  How long did the Chase name last after it became a renamed regular syndicated show?  How much Chase ballroom footage aired on the other shows during the initial tapings (I know that Mil Mascaras vs Gil Guerrero aired on All American)?

How much footage aired on the TBS shows (and to a lesser extent All-American, TNT, and Superstars) that didn't air elsewhere?  Besides the exclusive interviews on both shows and the interstitial segments with the wrestler guests on the Sunday show, I know that they aired footage of the Met Centre debut that hasn't shown up anywhere else.

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Looks like they just signed everyone up to annoy the opposition.

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lets just sign all the top guys from the territories and then figure out what to do with them later.  For these early tours all they did was announce who was coming and it was the beginning of matches are not that important attitude with the WWF.

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kargol wrote: Looks like they just signed everyone up to annoy the opposition.

It's called the NY Yankee method. :tongue:

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Another odd thing I just remembered is that someone told me that on Maple Leaf Wrestling, they'd push George Welles and Lanny Poffo more than they did on the US shows.

Though that would've been '85 for Poffo.

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Bix wrote: Another odd thing I just remembered is that someone told me that on Maple Leaf Wrestling, they'd push George Welles and Lanny Poffo more than they did on the US shows.

Welles makes sense because of his CFL past but I have no idea on why Poffo would get a push in Canada.

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Bix wrote: Another odd thing I just remembered is that someone told me that on Maple Leaf Wrestling, they'd push George Welles and Lanny Poffo more than they did on the US shows.

Though that would've been '85 for Poffo.

Who did Poffo actually beat on Maple Leaf Wrestling?

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Count Grog wrote: lets just sign all the top guys from the territories and then figure out what to do with them later.  For these early tours all they did was announce who was coming and it was the beginning of matches are not that important attitude with the WWF.
This. It almost seemed like they signed too many guys and were a little overwhelmed on what to do next.

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Bix wrote:
When in '84 was Superstars added?  What was generally the format and when did it change if it did?  I only have one ep from early spring and it's hosted in a bright blue studio with exclusive interviews including an exclusive Piper's Pit, plus a few Kiel matches and some recycled matches from Championship or All-Star.  I have some clips from later in the year of an episode where Roger Kent and Blackjack Mulligan hosted and the matches are from Maple Leaf Gardens with new commentary by the hosts.

The Piper-Snuka thing reminded me that I read something awhile back about how much of a mess the syndicated TV (at least Championship) was in the middle of the year, so I'd like to hear more about that.

How long was the Chase show taped at the hotel (returning to the ballroom after the NWA show had been in the TV studio for years), how long was it made up of Kiel footage (and was there footage from other shows when it was Kiel-based), and when did it become a renamed version of one of the other syndicated shows (first Superstars, then Championship, I think)?  How long did the Chase name last after it became a renamed regular syndicated show?  How much Chase ballroom footage aired on the other shows during the initial tapings (I know that Mil Mascaras vs Gil Guerrero aired on All American)?

Good call on Championship being a mess. I think the problems began partly when they left Allentown for Poughkeepsie. This may be incorrect, but did they miss a taping somewhere along the line when the switch was made? The historyofwwe.com shows the last Allentown taping as having occurred on 6/19/84 and the final Hamburg taping was on 6/20/84. The first Canadian taping was on 7/10/84, but the first Poughkeepsie taping appears to not have happened until 7/31/84. 

They taped at the Chase Hotel on 12/27/83, 1/16/84 and in 2/84 on an undetermined date. Then the St. Louis house shows on 2/10/84, 3/2/84, 3/23/84, 4/6/84, 5/5/84, 5/25/84, 6/15/84, 7/20/84, 8/10/84, and 9/1/84 were all used as tapings. 

Per thehistoryofwwe.com, a Mil Mascaras vs. Bobby Colt match from the 1/16/84 Chase Hotel taping aired on All American as well, but it doesn’t look like anything else from the three hotel tapings turned up on other shows.

Once they started taping at the house shows, matches turned up in other places as follows per historyofwwe.com.

2/10/84: Wrestling at the Chase, All American, Championship

3/2/84: Wrestling at the Chase, Superstars

3/23/84: Wrestling at the Chase, All Star

4/16/84: Wrestling at the Chase, All American, Superstars

5/5/84: No show specified, but labeled a taping.

5/25/84: Wrestling at the Chase

6/15/84: Superstars, TNT

7/20/84: Superstars, TNT

8/10/84: Prime Time, TNT

9/1/84: TNT

Graham’s site is not the gospel, but his results don’t show a match from Superstars until 4/10/84 and his last Wrestling at the Chase results are dated 6/24/84.

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srossi wrote: Bix wrote: Another odd thing I just remembered is that someone told me that on Maple Leaf Wrestling, they'd push George Welles and Lanny Poffo more than they did on the US shows.

Though that would've been '85 for Poffo.

Who did Poffo actually beat on Maple Leaf Wrestling?


Here are some odd results from the Canadian syndicated tapings.

7/10/84: A squash win for Gama Singh. Pat Patterson was jobbing towards retirement at the house shows and not getting pushed on TV anymore, but won a squash. 

8/6/84: Ivan Putski, whom they seemed to have no real plans for, got a count out win over Paul Orndorff. Rare squash wins for The Spoiler, Mad Dog Vachon, and Gama Singh.

8/29/84: Dynamite Kid teamed with Bret Hart to win a squash and got another one in singles action. I'm pretty sure neither man appeared stateside for a while.

9/24/84: This time Bret Hart teamed with Davey Boy Smith in a squash win while Dynamite worked solo. The Moondogs and Iron Mike Sharpe got squash wins.

10/8/84: Big John Studd and Nikolai Volkoff teamed to beat SD Jones and Samula.

10/29/84: The Spoiler won a squash with both Captain Lou Albano and Greg Valentine in his corner.

11/19/84: The Moondogs won a squash.

12/16/84: The Moondogs won another squash and so did The Spoiler who was now managed by Johnny Valiant.

1/7/85: Two squash wins for Angelo Mosca Jr. who didn't appear anywhere else on the circuit, but Ontario cards. Andre and JYD teamed to win a squash when they rarely put Andre on TV unless it was for an angle.

1/20/85: Bret Hart and George Wells teaming to win a squash. Albano seconding Hillbilly Jim. The Spoiler getting yet another squash win even though he wasn't being pushed at the U.S. tapings. Jim Neidhart worked as a single with Mr. Fuji as his manager.

2/20/85: Luc Porier being given a squash win that apparently made TV.

3/85: (beginning of the month) Another squash win for Luc Porier, plus George Wells teamed with Tony Atlas to win a squash.

3/85: (end of the month) Yet another win for Luc Porier who never wrestled for the WWF stateside, plus a squash win for George Wells and SD Jones.

5/25/85: Donna Christenello wins a non title match over Wendi Richter after interference from The Fabulous Moolah. George Wells and SD Jones got another squash win.

6/18/85: Lanny Poffo won a squash over Mr. X.

7/15/85: Lanny Poffo and George Wells teamed to win two squashes.

7/29/85: Lanny Poffo and George Wells got another squash win.

10/85: This time Lanny Poffo teamed with Tony Atlas to win a squash, plus Iron Mike Sharpe got a squash win!

11/85: Lanny Poffo teamed with Corporal Kirschner to win a squash, plus Tony Atlas won a squash teaming with Ivan Putski who wasn't getting any TV time at the Poughkeepsie tapings.

12/2/85: Junkyard Dog, who was headlining B shows and working semi main event spots on the A shows was teamed in a squash win with Dan Spivey whose minor push hadn't even really begun.

1/13/86: Bob Orton Jr. was still Roddy Piper's bodyguard, but he was on the losing side of a match against Tito Santana and Pedro Morales with Johnny K-9 as his partner.

6/16/86: Cousin Luke got a squash win even though the Hillbillies push was over with Uncle Elmer having gone back to Memphis and Hillbilly Jim not wrestling at the time.

7/7/86: Squash wins for the Moondogs, Brickhouse Brown, and King Tonga and Siva Afi who got a minor push as a team before Afi went back to jobbing and Tonga Kid came aboard.

7/28/86: A squash win for Cousin Luke. Bob Orton Jr. teamed with Hoss and JJ Funk for no apparent reason. Johnny Valiant worked a six man squash with the Dream Team. Iron Mike Sharpe got nine minutes against Tito Santana. Plus Owen Hart got a non televised try out match.

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tamalie wrote:
Here are some odd results from the Canadian syndicated tapings.


10/29/84: The Spoiler won a squash with both Captain Lou Albano and Greg Valentine in his corner.


Out of all the ones you listed I find this one the most bizarre. I wonder why Greg Valentine was in his corner?
Were they thinking of putting Greg with the Spoiler and call them the Dream Team before going with Beefcake?
When was The Spoiler's last appearance for the company?

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They taped at the Chase Hotel on 12/27/83, 1/16/84 and in 2/84 on an undetermined date. Then the St. Louis house shows on 2/10/84, 3/2/84, 3/23/84, 4/6/84, 5/5/84, 5/25/84, 6/15/84, 7/20/84, 8/10/84, and 9/1/84 were all used as tapings. 

Per thehistoryofwwe.com, a Mil Mascaras vs. Bobby Colt match from the 1/16/84 Chase Hotel taping aired on All American as well, but it doesn’t look like anything else from the three hotel tapings turned up on other shows.

Once they started taping at the house shows, matches turned up in other places as follows per historyofwwe.com.

2/10/84: Wrestling at the Chase, All American, Championship

3/2/84: Wrestling at the Chase, Superstars

3/23/84: Wrestling at the Chase, All Star

4/16/84: Wrestling at the Chase, All American, Superstars

5/5/84: No show specified, but labeled a taping.

5/25/84: Wrestling at the Chase

6/15/84: Superstars, TNT

7/20/84: Superstars, TNT

8/10/84: Prime Time, TNT

9/1/84: TNT

Graham’s site is not the gospel, but his results don’t show a match from Superstars until 4/10/84 and his last Wrestling at the Chase results are dated 6/24/84.

I'm curious as to where he got the Superstars results (other than 4/10/84, which I sent him based on the one full show I have), since I haven't seen any episodes floating around, unless the show was being rebadged in St. Louis as Wrestling At The Chase by that point and whoever sent the results was going by those, which are easier to find.

I take it that you don't know when Superstars started other than that it was launched with the expansion at some point in '84?  I remember reading a book that mentioned the launch of the show but I can't remember what it was.

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I went through NewspaperArchive.com and the Google News Archive and the earliest listing for Superstars of Wrestling was January 29, 1984 in Chicago. I'll dig out the old Observers later or this weekend and see what, if any, mention there was.

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carpetbeggar wrote: tamalie wrote:
Here are some odd results from the Canadian syndicated tapings.


10/29/84: The Spoiler won a squash with both Captain Lou Albano and Greg Valentine in his corner.


Out of all the ones you listed I find this one the most bizarre. I wonder why Greg Valentine was in his corner?
Were they thinking of putting Greg with the Spoiler and call them the Dream Team before going with Beefcake?
When was The Spoiler's last appearance for the company?

I have this episode on tape and Valentine wasn't really in The Spoiler's corner. Lou Albano was managing the Spoiler and he asked for Valentine to make an appearance since Valentine had won the IC title not that long before this episode. Valentine wasn't out there that long.

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The whole thing with Piper seemed to spread him too thin.  Some say this was due to Snuka's drug problems.  There was the potential for a big and lasting feud, but Snuka's dependability became a major issue for the WWF to plan around.

But, even before that, when Piper first arrived, there was the stable known as "Piper's Primetime" and he was the voice behind the pushes of guys like Orndorff and Shultz. He put this guys way over and jacked up the heat for all of them.  It is said he put into the managerial position due to the death of the Grand Wizard, but it would have been a great angle had they left Piper as manager.  It could have been comparable to the Four Horsemen stable.  They would have been the arch-enemies to Hogan, building for the climatic showdown between Hogan and Piper. 

Piper was involved with Snuka one week then it seemed he jumped into a feud with Rocky Johnson.  The Andre thing coccured with the "Don't throw rocks at a man with a machine gun" but then it fizzled and then later revisited. On the side this whole time, he was still gunning for Hogan. 

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silentkiller wrote: carpetbeggar wrote: tamalie wrote:
Here are some odd results from the Canadian syndicated tapings.


10/29/84: The Spoiler won a squash with both Captain Lou Albano and Greg Valentine in his corner.


Out of all the ones you listed I find this one the most bizarre. I wonder why Greg Valentine was in his corner?
Were they thinking of putting Greg with the Spoiler and call them the Dream Team before going with Beefcake?
When was The Spoiler's last appearance for the company?

I have this episode on tape and Valentine wasn't really in The Spoiler's corner. Lou Albano was managing the Spoiler and he asked for Valentine to make an appearance since Valentine had won the IC title not that long before this episode. Valentine wasn't out there that long.

Cool, I hear ya. Thanks for the info as I've never seen this episode or heard about Valentine being out there. I forgot about him being in the IC title picture at that time too so I'm quite a ways before the time he would have been started to be pushed towards the tag-team division with the Dream Team.
Anyone know though what was the date and arena where him and Beefcake first teamed up and were the called the Dream Team that first time together or did if come later down the line?

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Wasn't Piper initially brought into the WWF as a manager since he could obviously talk but was considered too small to be a main event guy?


Also the Spoiler as National Champion thing was just an offshoot of Black Friday, he held the belt in Georgia. I guess they wanted some continuity for the fans seeing a whole new group of wrestlers on TV.

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an interesting thing I have noticed is the complete difference in the crowd makeup once they moved the tapings to the Mid_Hudson Arena.  Almost overnight and all of a sudden, there were a ton of kids and teenagers all acting crazy as opposed to the pretty tame "lifers" that used to populate Hamburg and Allentown.  It was at this time that Joe McHugh ceased to do the ring announcing as well.

Those Poughkeepsie crowds were insane and off the wall, especially for Hogan and Snuka.  There would be groups of Guido Mullets with no shirts for chrissakes....It was really a big change and I remember at the time not liking it very much and missing the familiar fieldhouse.

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Bix wrote: I'm curious as to where he got the Superstars results (other than 4/10/84, which I sent him based on the one full show I have), since I haven't seen any episodes floating around, unless the show was being rebadged in St. Louis as Wrestling At The Chase by that point and whoever sent the results was going by those, which are easier to find.

I take it that you don't know when Superstars started other than that it was launched with the expansion at some point in '84?  I remember reading a book that mentioned the launch of the show but I can't remember what it was.

I saw Superstars in the NY market in the spring of 1984. If I had to gues when it first appeared I would say about mid March of 84, and I know it ran throught he summer. LIke you said, much of it was repeat stuff from Kiel TV and so on, plus the studio-looking interviews and a few exclusive Piper's Pits. On a couple of episodes Howard Finkel conducted the interviews.

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I never researched into the Hamburg TV tapings after April of 1983.  Up to that point they were still doing the same formula for their box adds.  Hamburg results were always found in the Reading Eagle for years and years till Septembe 1971, when they switched to the TV tapings. Also they moved the schedule to every 3 weeks.  All results stopped then.

Using google search,  if you put in the newspaper name of  "Reading Eagle" and then search for Sports or news or any thing simple like that, You will then be a able to search for the Hamburg TV box adds.

I searched out the Hamburg TV adds for the 1970's off of microfilm years ago.  If you have the TV taping date which was always on a wednesday, You want to look at the previous Sundays paper.  Pick the correct date, then just browse through their newspaper and you will locate the box add for the TV tapings.  99% of the time it was in the Sunday paper for the following Wednesday show.  Thier sports section is not that big, and you can do a years worth of Hamburg TV tapings in no time at all.  Like lots of papers out thier, searching for wrestling or searching for a wrestling name will give you spotty results or a lot of the times none.  Some papers you must search manually with out searching out anything on wrestling or their names.

Reason for putting in sports or news for the search is that when you find your adds, you will not have the yellow highlights, if you are saving them or printing them out.  Also it will give you more results so you can pick the dates or do daily searches for your information.

As for Poughkeepsie, NY..  When I researched that venue for in the 1970's, they were already running on a 3 week schedule also.  So moving the tapings to another arena on a 3 week schedule I could undestand.   Hamburg, PA was NOT a large town.  THe audience came from Allentown and Reading, besides the smaller towns in the area.

Vince J McMahon was based in the lower part of his territory.  Washington, DC, Phila, Baltimore, Hamburg, Allentown for all his TV tapings.  Vince K lived in or around Yartmouth, MA, with him and Linda operating out of his basement.  Then they moved to Conneticuit.   So naturally I can see Vince K moving the heart of his TV tapings and etc a lot closer to his main market.  Moving the tapings to a more populated city would mean more kids were available to see his show for the correct age group he was marketing for.  The middle to upper northeast was more populated and had more shows than Pennsylvania and Maryland had going for years and years.

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tamalie wrote:

Good call on Championship being a mess. I think the problems began partly when they left Allentown for Poughkeepsie. This may be incorrect, but did they miss a taping somewhere along the line when the switch was made? The historyofwwe.com shows the last Allentown taping as having occurred on 6/19/84 and the final Hamburg taping was on 6/20/84. The first Canadian taping was on 7/10/84, but the first Poughkeepsie taping appears to not have happened until 7/31/84. 


There was a period of 3 weeks of Championship episodes from July 21 through August 4 where they aired matches from the Canadian tapings in Brandford. Vince McMahon was joined by Tony Garea for these shows on commentary. The Piper's Pits for these episodes consisted of Piper standing in front of a black screen reading letters from "Jimmy Snuka's son" and he also was going on about the Lauper-Albano feud. During these episodes was also the start of a thankfully short lived segment called "WWF Review" where they would show clips of wrestlers with a hit song at that time like "The Warrior" by Scandal and "Magic" by the Cars. It was a waste of a segment that took out the spot for another match.  I'm sure it was trying to focus on the "Rock and Wrestling" connection at the time. I have a feeling this was a Kevin Dunn idea.

The first Poughkeepsie episode aired on August 11th.


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Regarding Johnny Valiant managing the Spoiler, he mentioned during his 1st appearance with the Spoiler that he had acquired the Spoiler from Lou Albano.

Bobby Heenan made his debut at the 9/84 MSG show announced by John Studd as his new manager.

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Jason Rock wrote: There was a period of 3 weeks of Championship episodes from July 21 through August 4 where they aired matches from the Canadian tapings in Brandford. Vince McMahon was joined by Tony Garea for these shows on commentary. The Piper's Pits for these episodes consisted of Piper standing in front of a black screen reading letters from "Jimmy Snuka's son" and he also was going on about the Lauper-Albano feud. During these episodes was also the start of a thankfully short lived segment called "WWF Review" where they would show clips of wrestlers with a hit song at that time like "The Warrior" by Scandal and "Magic" by the Cars. It was a waste of a segment that took out the spot for another match.  I'm sure it was trying to focus on the "Rock and Wrestling" connection at the time. I have a feeling this was a Kevin Dunn idea.

The first Poughkeepsie episode aired on August 11th.

Were the matches the same as the ones on All-Star or did they double up on Brantford tapings?

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Bix wrote: Jason Rock wrote: There was a period of 3 weeks of Championship episodes from July 21 through August 4 where they aired matches from the Canadian tapings in Brandford. Vince McMahon was joined by Tony Garea for these shows on commentary. The Piper's Pits for these episodes consisted of Piper standing in front of a black screen reading letters from "Jimmy Snuka's son" and he also was going on about the Lauper-Albano feud. During these episodes was also the start of a thankfully short lived segment called "WWF Review" where they would show clips of wrestlers with a hit song at that time like "The Warrior" by Scandal and "Magic" by the Cars. It was a waste of a segment that took out the spot for another match.  I'm sure it was trying to focus on the "Rock and Wrestling" connection at the time. I have a feeling this was a Kevin Dunn idea.

The first Poughkeepsie episode aired on August 11th.

Were the matches the same as the ones on All-Star or did they double up on Brantford tapings?



Not 100% sure because I don't have the All-Star episodes for those weeks. But I do know they had another taping in Canada around the same time I think in Montreal...which was the start of WWF Maple Leaf Wrestling. Not sure if some of those matches were shown on All-Star as well or not. 

Here is what aired on the first Maple Leaf show on 6/30/84:
Maple Leaf Wrestling - 6/30/84 - featured Gene Okerlund & Billy Red Lyons on commentary:
Paul Orndorff pinned Billy Travis at 4:23 with the piledriver
Big John Studd defeated Frenchy La Rock & Billy Carbo in a handicap match at 2:30 by pinning La Rock with a clothesline; prior to the bout, Big John Studd offered his $10,000 bodyslam challenge to a local wrestler, Mr. P, but P failed; after the bout, Gene Okerlund conducted a ringside interview with Studd, with WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan interrupting and accepting Studd's bodyslam challenge; Studd then left ringside because Hogan didn't bring the title belt with him
Ivan Putski pinned Tiger Chung Lee with the Polish Hammer at 6:20
WWF World Champion Hulk Hogan pinned Rene Goulet in a non-title match at 5:07 with the legdrop

I do know that a lot of the matches from the 1st Brantford taping aired on TBS when WWF took over the GCW timeslot.

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Did that show air in the US at all on All-Star and/or the recap shows or only as MLW?

There's a tape/DVD of that episode available, isn't there?  I remember it being one of the things people got from TorontoDave back in the day.  I'd love to see it.

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RE: Championship Wrestling venue change:

Didn't they air a couple of matches from the Philadelphia Spectrum too on the shows?

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Some Spectrum matches definitely made World Championship Wrestling, definitely the first episode with the Studd vs. Bobo match.

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Did you guys know that Piper's Pit was an accident? Or at least, it was far from planned out.

They interviewed Piper on one of the "WWF Magazine Corner" (or whatever they called it) segments and announced that Piper would be penning a column called "Piper's Pit" for the magazine. After the segment Piper came up with an idea- he approached McMahon and suggested that he do the interviews the way he did them on WTBS in 1982, and call the segment "Piper's Pit". They gave it a try and struck gold.

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C.C. Milani wrote: Did you guys know that Piper's Pit was an accident? Or at least, it was far from planned out.

They interviewed Piper on one of the "WWF Magazine Corner" (or whatever they called it) segments and announced that Piper would be penning a column called "Piper's Pit" for the magazine. After the segment Piper came up with an idea- he approached McMahon and suggested that he do the interviews the way he did them on WTBS in 1982, and call the segment "Piper's Pit". They gave it a try and struck gold.
with lots of help from the "marching powder";)



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