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Okay, how many of you remember Brazil's run in the mid-70's? 

He teamed with SD Jones didn't he?  Were they in one of the fictitious tagteam tournaments? Was that for the belts stripped from the Executioners?  Were they in the finals? 

I always liked Bobo's move of being thrown into the turnbuckle and then as the other wrestler came running in, he would lift his leg onto the guy's shoulderblade and then use his other leg and pound the other guy on top of the head. 

Did he get shots at Graham?  I have not seen too much footage of Bobo around during this run?  Has 24/7 shown any Bobo matches from this time period. 

I think he may have made more than one run in the mid-late 1970's.

Feedback welcomed.

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One Bobo defense I have seen is vs. Crusher Blackwell at MSG on the 3/1/76 card. Not sure about any other video available from that era, though.

 

Kind of cool side note...I was watching some AWA TV from 1980-81 and saw a Chicago card with a Bobo-Blackwell matchup advertised. They had a Blackwell interview talking about the time that they had faced each other before, and the reference was clearly to the MSG match. Neat because it was five years before and in a different territory.

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Bobo and Graham wrestled only 3 times that I have ever located for grahams career.

February 13, 1976  New London, CT
Superstar Billy Graham won by COR over Bobo Brazil


July 16, 1977  Baltimore, MD
WWWF Champion Superstar Billy Graham beat Bobo Brazil


Then Graham goes right into the Sheiks territory and defends.  At this point in time, sadly the Sheiks territory is burning out.

December 18, 1977  Detroit, MI - Cobo Arena - att: 3,300
Don Kent beat Nelson Royal
Ox Baker beat Tony Parisi
Ron Fuller beat The Assasin
Luis Martinez, Crusher Verdue drew Killer Brooks, Bulldog Brower
The Butcher DDQ'd Ed George
The Sheik won by COR over Prince Maivia
Bobo Brazil won by DQ over WWWF Champion Superstar Billy Graham



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He wrestled on TV often when he first came on the scene.  That was 1976?  Wow!  I know he also teamed with S.D. (Special Delivery)Jones at a point in time, also.  I am pretty sure it was the tournament when The Executioners were stripped of the title. That may have been a second run.

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Papa Voo wrote:
Okay, how many of you remember Brazil's run in the mid-70's? 

He teamed with SD Jones didn't he?  Were they in one of the fictitious tagteam tournaments? Was that for the belts stripped from the Executioners?  Were they in the finals? 

...Has 24/7 shown any Bobo matches from this time period. 

First live show I went to had an Executioners vs, Bobo & SD match on it in fall of '76.

Here are some key dates during the Executioners tag run;
5/11/76; The Executioners defeated WWWF Tag Team Champions Tony Parisi & Louis Cerdan to win the titles.
10/26/76: The Executioners were stripped of the belts following a title defense in Hamburg, PA against Chief Jay Strongbow & Billy White Wolf in which a third Executioner (Nikolai Volkoff) joined in attacking the challengers.
12/7/76 Philadelphia; Chief Jay Strongbow & Billy Whitewolf defeated the Executioners and Nikolai Volkoff & Tor Kamata in a three-team tournament to win the vacant WWWF Tag Team titles.


They did have some kind of "tournament" (fictitious I believe) when Strongbow & Whitewolf were stripped of the titles (due to Patera "ending" Whitewolf's career) in Aug.'77, but I don't think Bobo was involved.

24/7 has aired a Feb.'76 All Star Wrestling show that had Bobo vs. Hans Schroeder (Lou Albano causes trouble and attacks Bobo during the match), the Feb '76 MSG card (Bobo & Parisi vs. Blackwell & McGraw), and the Mar '76 MSG card (Bobo vs. Blackwell). During this timeframe he was billed as the "United States champion" but did not have a belt with him.

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as far as I can tell, there is absolutely NO footage of the Executioners available yet..

there is a YouTube of an MSG six-man tag w/Bruiser Brody but that is it

24/7 needs to release the TV taping with the third Executioner...

great stuff, great memories

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24/7 needs to release the TV taping with the third Executioner...

My God I am so with you.

Everybody besides you and me would probably see it today and say "What a screwjob" but I would geek for this big-time.

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beejmi wrote: 24/7 needs to release the TV taping with the third Executioner...

My God I am so with you.

Everybody besides you and me would probably see it today and say "What a screwjob" but I would geek for this big-time.

I'd love to see that I remember it vividly still.  Great stuff for the 1970's

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what was great about that match is that we all realized the belts would probably change hands that day-  whenever they showed a genuine tag-title match on TV it was time for new champions

so when the 3rd Executioner came out from under the ring I freaked...no title for Chief Jay and Billy!!  it wasn't supposed to happen that way!

great storyline

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The third Executioner was yet another one of those moments that WWWF 70's fans would want to see.  I would love to see the following released on one DVD:

 

Arion heel turn on Strongbow & Sammartino

 

Nevermind....I will start a new thread on this.

 

Getting back to Bobo.  I am almost positive that Brazil and SD teamed and were considered contenders for the belts via the tournament.  The fictitious part was where they would say that there teams from all over the world competing in this tourament, but they were never announced or shown on TV.  I think they may haved faced and lost to Kamata and Volkoff.

I sometimes get this mixed up with the tournament when the Samoans won the titles back after losing it to Backlund & Morales. 

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February 13, 1976  New London, CT
Superstar Billy Graham won by COR over Bobo Brazil


July 16, 1977  Baltimore, MD
WWWF Champion Superstar Billy Graham beat Bobo Brazil

Expanding on that a little, looking at result listings on Cawthon's site, Bobo only had two MSG and two other Baltimore apps., plus the ones Ron listed,in WWWF territory in '77, so he really wasn't even in the territory much.

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... I am almost positive that Brazil and SD teamed and were considered contenders for the belts via the tournament.  The fictitious part was where they would say that there teams from all over the world competing in this tourament, but they were never announced or shown on TV. 
It's possible they used that as part of the backstory. I think the 12/7/76 date and the whole "tournament" was fictitious anyway. In the '80 "tournament" where the Samoans won back the titles they had lost at Shea Stadium, they actually did have "tournament" matches on Tv. Bobo never was in the area in '80.

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I definitely remember the 1980 TV finale ~ Samoans vs Garea & Goulet. Vince talking about how astronomical the odds were of The Samoans regaining the belts (they were the clear favorites all along)

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Does anybody with listings for TV matches have any dates when he teamed with Jones?

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But by the same token, Cawthorns site does not reflect the WWWF, nor all its matches.  I can not look up this particular year because my server is down for some reason.  I myself personally have over 100 matches per year that Cawthorn does not have for any given year from the 60's to 1978.

His site does not reflect the correct schedules of the house shows yet.    I researched key cities that he does not have.  And I researched cities he does have.

I posted this before to give a feel of the territory for the mid 70's to the late 70's for the actual matches for the cities that were more than once a month.  I listed 10 before.  So to prove my point more I will add another city into this mix just to show you that I do have more cities researched and their schedules.  Cawthorns site is excellent, it is great.  But it is not a bible nor should it be used as one.  Way to much stuff is missing.

Every Friday = North Attleboro, MA
Every other Friday = Albany, NY
every other Saturday or almost = Philadelphia arena
every 3 weeks on Mondays = North Dartmouth, MA
every 3 weeks on Tuesdays = Philadelphia TV tapings
every 3 weeks on Tuesdays = Portland, ME
every 3 weeks on Wedesdays = Hamburg, PA
every 3 weeks on Wednesdays = Bangor, ME
every 3 weeks on Thrusdays = Poughkeepsie, NY
every 3 weeks on Thursdays = Worcester, MA

Now I will add this to the mixture:
every 3 weeks on Mondays = Utica, NY - till April of 1975
every 3 weeks on Wedesdays = Utica, NY - starting May 1976 and upwards

If you go to his site, this does not line up with him, because he is missing all this stuff and more.

Cawthorns site does not reflect this stuff.  He is missing many many many dates and cities he has no listings for.  To say a worker was, or was not in the territory going by what he has listed is inacuarate, if he does not have the territory represented. He is missing a lot of key B+ cities that at times are considered A cities.  He only has what has been floating around the internet,  since the internet was formed.  What Cawthorn needs is a few of his posters to go out and do research, and fill in things.  I do drop off information to where these cities are, and their exact schedules.  His users just need to do a lil work.

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Well, I was just looking for TV matches, because that is where I remember seeing that team.

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January 7, 1976  Hamburg, PA - TV
Superstar Billy Graham vs Ivan Putski
others include:
Frank Monte, Baron Mikel Scicluna, Tony Parisi, Louis Cerdan, Ernie Ladd, Ivan Koloff, Spiros Arion, Bugsy McGraw, Domenic Denucci, Franscisco Florez, Bobo Brazil, Kevin Sullivan.

January 28, 1976  Hamburg, PA - TV
Superstar Billy Graham, Ivan Koloff vs WWWF Tag Team Champions Tony Parisi, Louis Cerdan
others include:
Ivan Putski, Pat Barett, Louis Cyr, Crusher Blackwell, Frank Monte, Baron Scicluna, Ernie Ladd, Spiros Arion, Bugsy McGraw, Domenic Denucci, Bobo Brazil, Kevin Sullivan and others.

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Ron wrote:
But by the same token, Cawthorns site does not reflect the WWWF, nor all its matches.  I can not look up this particular year because my server is down for some reason.  I myself personally have over 100 matches per year that Cawthorn does not have for any given year from the 60's to 1978.

Cawthorns site does not reflect this stuff.  He is missing many many many dates and cities he has no listings for.  To say a worker was, or was not in the territory going by what he has listed is inaccurate, if he does not have the territory represented. He is missing a lot of key B+ cities that at times are considered A cities.

Yes, true Ron. I was not implying that the listings on his site are complete. The match I saw with Executioners vs. Bobo & SD is not listed either. There are plenty of flaws, missing and incorrect dates, and inaccuracies. I notice a tendency of "best guess" on some dates also. I simply use it as a general guide (until you get your Capitol site up and running) and to augment my own faltering memory.

Having said that, and I could be wrong, but I think the sampling of results , even with what is missing , is enough to suggest in general that Bobo was probably in and out of the territory in '77. It seems like he would do a few dates at a time and not a one shot and leave. Maybe you can check on that when you get to access your database.

As far as the Bobo & SD team, only two dates are listed, plus the match I saw which is not. I would guess there are more, but that's all I can come up with for you right now.

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October 1, 1976  North Attleboro, MA
Stan Hansen, Nikolai Volkoff vs Bobo Brazil, S.D. Jones

October 12, 1976  Portland, ME
Executioners vs Bobo Brazil, S.D. Jones

November 31, 1976  Bangor, ME
Executioners vs Bobo Brazil, S.D. Jones

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I am going to have to submit to you and agree with you about 1977 most likely for Bobo.  I do remember meeting him, and god was he big, or so he seemed to be when your young.

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Thanks for the feedback.  That gives me a timeline for that period.

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Ron wrote: But by the same token, Cawthorns site does not reflect the WWWF, nor all its matches.  I can not look up this particular year because my server is down for some reason.  I myself personally have over 100 matches per year that Cawthorn does not have for any given year from the 60's to 1978.

His site does not reflect the correct schedules of the house shows yet.    I researched key cities that he does not have.  And I researched cities he does have.

I posted this before to give a feel of the territory for the mid 70's to the late 70's for the actual matches for the cities that were more than once a month.  I listed 10 before.  So to prove my point more I will add another city into this mix just to show you that I do have more cities researched and their schedules.  Cawthorns site is excellent, it is great.  But it is not a bible nor should it be used as one.  Way to much stuff is missing.

Every Friday = North Attleboro, MA
Every other Friday = Albany, NY
every other Saturday or almost = Philadelphia arena
every 3 weeks on Mondays = North Dartmouth, MA
every 3 weeks on Tuesdays = Philadelphia TV tapings
every 3 weeks on Tuesdays = Portland, ME
every 3 weeks on Wedesdays = Hamburg, PA
every 3 weeks on Wednesdays = Bangor, ME
every 3 weeks on Thrusdays = Poughkeepsie, NY
every 3 weeks on Thursdays = Worcester, MA

Now I will add this to the mixture:
every 3 weeks on Mondays = Utica, NY - till April of 1975
every 3 weeks on Wedesdays = Utica, NY - starting May 1976 and upwards

If you go to his site, this does not line up with him, because he is missing all this stuff and more.

Cawthorns site does not reflect this stuff.  He is missing many many many dates and cities he has no listings for.  To say a worker was, or was not in the territory going by what he has listed is inacuarate, if he does not have the territory represented. He is missing a lot of key B+ cities that at times are considered A cities.  He only has what has been floating around the internet,  since the internet was formed.  What Cawthorn needs is a few of his posters to go out and do research, and fill in things.  I do drop off information to where these cities are, and their exact schedules.  His users just need to do a lil work.


Then you should send him the results you have that he's missing.

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And if I do that now while creating my own website, wouldnt that contradict things?  It would look like I took the stuff from his site.  It is one of the reasons I quit dumping massive amounts to his site.  I am doing the research.  I am driving to the different cities up to 12 hours away to research stuff.  It is all out of my expenses.   If you think I ever only dropped off 200 to 300 results to his site and others your so wrong.  I used to dump tons and tons.  So why not take my own work and stick it out their and take the credit I deserve.  Giving it to other sites does me no good.

Nick the new guy can drop off one bad result that goes unchallenged, and he gets just as much credit as I do for dropping off 200 unknown verified results in one batch.  Nick the new guy is going off his Uncle's memorry of attending this card of wrestling.  He says to his nephew it happend on a Wednesday night because I remember your grandmother being in the hospital and we were late getting their.   Then he lists from his memory a card that never happened (because he is going by memories of different cards) , and the workers he mentions don't even fit the same time periods.  But it was snowing out, and it was after Halloween and before Thanksgiving so the date had to be Wednesday the (fill in the blank).

I consider my personal research as mine.  I feel if I am going out of my way to do research, then I have the right to get the credit for it.  Not some other site where I just blend in with someone who drops off 1 lineup/result.  So instead I am doing my own results site.  It is all verified and correct.  It covers cities that are not even covered correctly for years and years, that are the major cities, as well as the small unimportant cities.

I owe no one anything from my research.  I do not have to run to every website to give my findings to.  I do not owe any websites anything out their.  If I get a result from a website, I returned that finding 10 folds easilly.  So if you wish to think me a dick, because I am not running out to all these sites and dropping off all my stuff...  Take a look around.  How many top researchers do you think drop off everything they have?  They don't.  They have tons of stuff you never seen.  How many record books have tons of stuff that owner does not list on the web, because he found it himself, or the source tells them to not share it, because it came from a  private research.  I hate to use this example, but Vance Nevada doesn't even drop off everything he has, nor does he run to every website to see if their missing stuff, and fill them all in.  I dont even have the time to copy over the information from all the scanned microfilm I have collected myself, let alone to go dropping it off to other sites.  My research is mine, and I do share it when I have time, and where I want to share it.  But now it is time I get the credit for my stuff.

If I drop off a list like above dealing with how the circuit worked, and what days and the schedules.  I dont see why it is to hard for anyone to just go do it.  All the information is their.  They just need to show some initiative.   I love how I can drop that stuff, and there is always at least one person from a certain area that talks big about how he is going to go look up stuff, but he doesnt it.  He is to lazy and would rather wait for somone else do do it.  It is why I drop off that information at times.   Do I bitch because I did roadwork and then a year later I find out Newspaperarchive.com has the papers on line I researched for days in, and days out at some small library, and now the results are everywhere?  No I do not.  Why?   Because most subrscribers to their are not even sharring those results to everyone in the open.  I am not a whiner or someone who just bithches for no reason.  I do not even bitch about Kayfabe Memories, and I know most think I have some important role their behind the scenes and run it, to wjich that is untrue.  I rebuilt it manually,  I hosted it so there was no expense to having it on line.  So their was no adds or any nonsense.  It now sits in a company site I work with, and it sits their for free.   Is my name anywhere on the main site for a link to any of my websites?  No.  I did the work to get it back online,  I did the work to get it hosted some where for free.  I got the creator of the code itself for the board, to be on call to just one board of many out their.  And no one has ever heard me bitch because I am not good enough to have my own personal website plugged at the main web site, for all I have done, and continue to do.  So dont be thinking I am on some whining session on this and that, and that and this.  I am no different than anyone else when it deals with their stuff on the net.

I am doing my own wrestling results site.  Anyone is welcome to come their and see my work, and to take it and add it to their own record books and etc...   But I am not going to build up another website to make my site look like it copied everything from some other site.  I dont feel it is right for me to give my stuff away, and allow other sites to take credit for my research.  Let them come to my site and copy it, and then they can add me to their resources link.  I feel that is plenty fair.

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I had no idea you were  starting your own site.

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I know I suck at typing and get carried away with long responses.

So lets look at it this way.  I take the time off of work.  I pay my own gas and meals and hotel rooms.  At times I will just sleep in my car, and I do that even in the winter in the North East to try to save money on my long tips. I will drive 12 hours or more strait stopping for gas only.   I go to these obscure libraries that are not carried in the state libraries, or the historical societies.  So it is why I have so much stuff that is not out their.  So now I sit in these libraries that are so outdated.  They have those nasty old chairs that are made out of wood.  Very uncomfortable.  Then i scan for hours and hours with the microfilm to gather as many clippings as I can.  I do not even stop to take a lunch break because I want to gather as much as I can from that city.  I pay to print my copies out.  Then I transfer them again as  I scan them at home to put them onto a photo progam.  Then I create the html files for them, and then create, or add them to another html file so they are indexed.  This is all done by me at my expense, not just travelling and doing it. But also at the expense of me taking off work a extreme amount of time.  I seriously see no reason for me to just give it all away and recieve no real credit to me, or to those who help transfer things over for me.  Their are members here on this site who have translated years worth of stuff for me.  So now we are just going to have a place to showcase this stuff and perhaps a lot more.

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To get back on topic, I will add a few more Bobo shots at the Executioners from my research

June 18, 1976  New London, CT
Executioners beat Bobo Brazil, Arnold Skaaland

October 16, 1976  Albany, NY
Executioners vs Bobo Brazil, Victor Rivera

October 22, 1976  North Attleboro, MA
Executioners vs Bobo Brazil, Pete Sanchez

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I will tell you that when he came back, he might have been slow and his punches were way off, however, he was a hit.  His name is what brought us out there.

The Master of the Coco Butt- Bobo.....

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Ron wrote:
October 16, 1976  Albany, NY
Executioners vs Bobo Brazil, Victor Rivera

Ron, could you post anything you have on the Albany card. I think that is the first card I was at. Brody was also on the card if it's the one. From the other listings you posted, Bobo and SD were teaming during dates in early Oct. and I think SD was there instead of Rivera.

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Any one that is from the Albany area knows that the Albany papers lacked at times with their results.  So if a researcher moves away from the city, they come to Troy, NY and can research Albany their.  But even Troy was so so.  So you have to step farther away from Albany.  Now your in Shenectady, NY (spelling)   It is what I am currently researching.  It has better results, with all the matches included.  The albany and troy papers sometimes didnt report the results, and at times might only give one or two results for a card.  I was working in 1977 and have not gone back to do 1976 yet.  I only have the Troy and Albany papers for 1976 and earlier.  Next trip up I will be doing Schenectady again fo 1976 and older cards for the results.  So in a odd way..  I am researching Albany for its every other friday cards now for the 3rd time, because I am now in the 3rd city researching it.   If you do researching and your not finding what you want.  Step away from that city after you covered all the papers it has.  Step back to the nearest city.  It might surprise you that a smaller paper from a smaller city nearby carried it.  It is how I gather so many clippings and results.  Albany is a perfect example of this.

 

October 16, 1976  Albany, NY
Johnny Rodz vs Johnny Rivera
Tor Kamata vs Jose Gonzales
Gashouse Gilbert vs Tony Altimore
Executioners vs Bobo Brazil, Victor Rivera
Bruiser Brody vs Ivan Putski

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June 26, 1976 Johnstown, PA

Arnold Skoaland drew Johnny Defazio

Andre the Giant won 18 Man battle royal (all the below plus Gorilla Monsoon in)

Stan Hansen beat Johnny Rivera

Doug Gilbert drew Jose Gonzales

the Executioners beat Ivan Putski & Kevin Sullivan

Bobo Brazil beat Johnny Rodz

Chief Jay Strongbow & Billy White Wolf beat Scandor Akbar & Baron Scicluna

Haystacks Calhoun beat Rocky Tomayo



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