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 Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 04:14 pm
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Legit or one of wrestling's fairy tales?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 06:51 pm
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I'd like a clarification on that as well. I always heard and assumed it was legit. I think the all mighty CM on KM said it was not, but I can't recall the details. If it wasn't legit, why the hell did El Olympico wear that stupid mask with the face cut out that looked like a baby bonnett?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 07:42 pm
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It was only at MSG. There were masked wrestlers in Buffalo for instance.



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 Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 08:43 pm
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It obviously appears that it wasn't a legit ban due to the masked wrestlers in Buffalo etc, but it's confusing due to what TDM mentioned with the open-faced "masks" at MSG.  How long was the "ban" in effect?  Is it possible that as part of Vince Sr.'s notorious long-term planning, that they decided to do the fake ban w/ lower level masked wrestlers so a big name masked wrestler coming in would mean more?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 08:50 pm
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Bix wrote: It obviously appears that it wasn't a legit ban due to the masked wrestlers in Buffalo etc, but it's confusing due to what TDM mentioned with the open-faced "masks" at MSG.  How long was the "ban" in effect?  Is it possible that as part of Vince Sr.'s notorious long-term planning, that they decided to do the fake ban w/ lower level masked wrestlers so a big name masked wrestler coming in would mean more?


New York City like a lot of the other cities have/had legit laws banning people from wearing masks in public.  The NYC law looks to date back to 1845. The law is still on the books and is still enforced outside of wrestling. It was recently contested as late as 2004.

I assume that law extended into wrestling with kayfabe and crap. That is why masks were allowed in Buffalo and elsewhere in NY but not in NYC.

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I was not specific, but I was referring only to MSG. When "The Spoiler" Don Jardine appeared he did not wear any mask. However, they did allow Mil Mascaras to wear his mask. El Olympico wore the "cut out" mask on the 6/30/73 and 4/14/75 cards. Obviously at some point they stopped doing this, but I'm fuzzy on the timeline. Now that I think about it a little, I seem to recall it having something to do with using a substitute under the mask, and not the actual wrestler. Maybe Ron came across an article in his research and can pin down some more accurate info and dates.

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I think you have the timeline basically right (ban ending  sometime in 1975) as The Executioners were on the scene and the tag champs in 1976

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 Posted: Sun Jan 27th, 2008 09:54 pm
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WWWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 18, 1972

Mil Mascaras pinned the Spoiler at 7:20 with a flying bodypress; this was the first appearance of a masked wrestler at MSG; there was a previous ban on masked wrestlers following a ruling from the New York State Athletic Association Commission (Mascaras' MSG debut)

Olympico still used the open mask (I guess since fans had already seen his face) after this.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 28th, 2008 12:13 am
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The ban was lifted along with women's matchs in 1972.  There were some pressure placed on these guys because of Vince Sr trying to get Mil Mascaras at MSG.  Mil could never wear the El Olympico "open" mask.  Since the State Athletic Commision made more of its "funding" from wrestling, they lifted the ban.  Wrestling was a monthly event at MSG while boxing wasn't.  Therefore, they bent the rules.  NYC does have that law.  Funny on how a "fixed" sport would really care.

Funny thing about Mil's first appearance at MSG.  My buddy, Doug went to MSG, purchased a ticket and had sevne cents left in his pocket.  Additionally, he saw Mil coming out of the taxi, with the silver "cover" mask on.  Weird but we all loved it as part of the gimmick.  That was why the days of old were super for the sport of professional wrestling!

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 Posted: Mon Jan 28th, 2008 12:26 am
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Bix wrote:

WWWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - December 18, 1972

Mil Mascaras pinned the Spoiler at 7:20 with a flying bodypress; this was the first appearance of a masked wrestler at MSG; there was a previous ban on masked wrestlers following a ruling from the New York State Athletic Association Commission (Mascaras' MSG debut)

Olympico still used the open mask (I guess since fans had already seen his face) after this.

I think the MSG "ban" was still in affect and they "allowed" Mascaras to appear with the mask. There would be no reason for Olympico to wear his "cut out" mask unless they were still enforcing the rule.

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I think you have the timeline basically right (ban ending  sometime in 1975) as The Executioners were on the scene and the tag champs in 1976
The Executioners 1st MSG app. was 5/17/76. So most likely as you said, the "ban" ended sometime in '75 to early '76. No masked men appeared at MSG after Olympico on the 4/75 card until the Executioners in '76.

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It was true. The reason for it was so promoters couldn't pull a bait and switch -- show The Destroyer on TV, advertise him for MSG and then have Jose Luis Rivera under the mask instead of Dick Beyer.

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