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Eagles coach Andy Reid said Wednesday that the team is entertaining offers for all three of its quarterbacks, including starter Donovan McNabb.

Reid discussed the situation during a breakfast meeting with reporters at the NFL owners' meetings in Orlando, Fla., The Inquirer reported.

Reid reiterated that McNabb was his starter, Kevin Kolb the backup and Michael Vick the No. 3 QB but indicated any of them could be dealt. The Eagles have already received feelers.

"We'll go back and look through those ... away from this situation here," Reid said. "There's nothing right now that I'd jump up and down about. But right now there's interest."

Reid said the Eagles have a price tag in mind for each of the quarterbacks.

"I'm keeping my ears open," Reid told the paper.

McNabb threw for 3,553 yards with 22 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in 14 games last year, his 11th in the NFL. He has played all 16 games in just two of the last eight seasons.

Reid also said he'll entertain offers for disgruntled cornerback Sheldon Brown, who had a career-high five interceptions in 2009.

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The problem here is that places that made sense (Arizona, Denver, Seattle) have made off-season QB moves already.

San Fran makes sense too. But if you know the Eagles are "over a barrel" why offer much ?

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It would be a bad move if They traded Sheldon Brown. Just move the Guy to Safety and pay the man.  Reid has to come out with a statement now, since it's getting closer to the draft. Most fans now that He's full of Shit.

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I always look forward to Reid's "doubletalk". He talks then you try to figure out what he is trying not to say.

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Forget trading McNabb, nobody is gonna give what they are gonna want. I have said it before, you guys are fucked with McNabb for life.

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The Hammer wrote: Forget trading McNabb, nobody is gonna give what they are gonna want. I have said it before, you guys are fucked with McNabb for life.
Why does everybody think that this Guy is a bad QB? He's been to 5 NFC Championships, 1 Super Bowl. How many other QB's that are in the league now can say that? Not to many.

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The Hammer wrote: Forget trading McNabb, nobody is gonna give what they are gonna want. I have said it before, you guys are fucked with McNabb for life.
McNabb might be going to the Rams for the 33rd pick in the draft, according to CSN Philly.

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Well he is great for the "rebuilding team" but not a guy that a team that is a "player away to push us over the top" will want.

So your "rebuilding" team isn't giving you anything for him because he only has one year left on his contract. You basically have to extend him to trade him or have his "new team" try to do so and then announce the trade.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: The Hammer wrote: Forget trading McNabb, nobody is gonna give what they are gonna want. I have said it before, you guys are fucked with McNabb for life.
McNabb might be going to the Rams for the 33rd pick in the draft, according to CSN Philly.


Rumor shot down by profootballtalk.com

Earlier in the day, Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported that the Eagles "have an offer on the table" from the Rams for quarterback Donovan McNabb, and that a trade could happen quickly.

We heard from a Rams source that there is "zero truth" to the report.

As Rosenthal pointed out, someone was full of something that often gets confused with shinola. 

For a change, we win.

Per Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Rams G.M. Billy Devaney says that report of a trade is "[a]bsolutely false" and "utterly ridiculous."

Howard Eskin of WIP echoes that report, citing an unnamed high-ranking Rams official who said that the Rams have never even spoken to the Eagles about McNabb.

So, please, citizens of Philadelphia.  Return to your homes and go about your business.  There is nothing to see here.

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beejmi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: The Hammer wrote: Forget trading McNabb, nobody is gonna give what they are gonna want. I have said it before, you guys are fucked with McNabb for life.
McNabb might be going to the Rams for the 33rd pick in the draft, according to CSN Philly.


Rumor shot down by profootballtalk.com

Earlier in the day, Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported that the Eagles "have an offer on the table" from the Rams for quarterback Donovan McNabb, and that a trade could happen quickly.

We heard from a Rams source that there is "zero truth" to the report.

As Rosenthal pointed out, someone was full of something that often gets confused with shinola. 

For a change, we win.

Per Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Rams G.M. Billy Devaney says that report of a trade is "[a]bsolutely false" and "utterly ridiculous."

Howard Eskin of WIP echoes that report, citing an unnamed high-ranking Rams official who said that the Rams have never even spoken to the Eagles about McNabb.

So, please, citizens of Philadelphia.  Return to your homes and go about your business.  There is nothing to see here.


Eskin is a Boob. I listen to Mikey Miss.

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I just read another rumour that the Eagles and Oakland are trying to work out a deal. It looked something like McNabb, Samuel and pick #24 for Asomugha and #8.

Sounds like BS to me though. If it was true, get that shit done. Take Berry with the 8th. :D

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DaNkinator wrote: I just read another rumour that the Eagles and Oakland are trying to work out a deal. It looked something like McNabb, Samuel and pick #24 for Asomugha and #8.

Sounds like BS to me though. If it was true, get that shit done. Take Berry with the 8th. :D

Davis is stupid enough to pull the trigger on this one. The Eagles need to rebuild the Defense and get some O-Line help. If They got the 8th pick, I think that They would draft a Lineman.

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The report out of Eagles camp is that the pick MUST be in the top 42. Why 42? Seems like an odd number.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: The report out of Eagles camp is that the pick MUST be in the top 42. Why 42? Seems like an odd number.
"Top 10" pick in round two. I think the price has dropped to be honest.

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Any idea WHY there's talk of Philly dealing McNabb? Is it because they think Kolb is ready to go?

I *loved* Kolb coming out of UH. I thought he merited a top-ten overall selection, so obviously I thought he was a bargain in the second round. I have no idea how he's developed so far in Philly, though.

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The WHY is if you feel like you have seen all that he can and feel you can go no further with him. The fanbase is ready to give him away for pennies on the dollar (change for the sake of change) I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory but do feel there is too much drama as it pertains to McNabb and the Eagles and it might be best for both sides to move forward.

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beejmi wrote: The WHY is if you feel like you have seen all that he can and feel you can go no further with him. The fanbase is ready to give him away for pennies on the dollar (change for the sake of change) I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory but do feel there is too much drama as it pertains to McNabb and the Eagles and it might be best for both sides to move forward.

I love McNabb, but Beej is right, the natives have been getting restless for the past 3 years, and it's getting worse. Media that use to defend Him are even saying that it would be best if He moved on. Kolb is 25, and the Offense as a whole, is really Young. Take a hit this year, and maybe next, and stock up on some higher picks and draft some O-Lineman and Defensive help and watch this team soar. ( pun intented)

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C.C. Milani wrote: Any idea WHY there's talk of Philly dealing McNabb? Is it because they think Kolb is ready to go?

I *loved* Kolb coming out of UH. I thought he merited a top-ten overall selection, so obviously I thought he was a bargain in the second round. I have no idea how he's developed so far in Philly, though.

I thought they were shopping Kolb, too? What they need is a full time RB, since Westbrook is toast and McCoy seems more like a change of pace guy.

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Kid_Naitch wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: Any idea WHY there's talk of Philly dealing McNabb? Is it because they think Kolb is ready to go?

I *loved* Kolb coming out of UH. I thought he merited a top-ten overall selection, so obviously I thought he was a bargain in the second round. I have no idea how he's developed so far in Philly, though.

I thought they were shopping Kolb, too? What they need is a full time RB, since Westbrook is toast and McCoy seems more like a change of pace guy.

They are fine at RB with McCoy, Mike Bell & Leonard Weaver. Everybody knows that Kolb isn't going anywhere, unless someone wants to give up 2 1st Round picks. Reid is shopping McNabb & McNabb only, and no one wants Vick.

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Oh I think Vick is "out there" also for the right price. My hunch is his value isn't much. Are we even sure he can play effectively?


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When did he ever?

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Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever?
According to a select few on this board, Vick was/is the best thing since sliced Bread. These same people also said that JaMarcus Russell was going to be a Stud in the NFL.

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Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever? Vick was winning like crazy and carrying mediocre falcon teams in his first few seasons. That is a fact.  I don't necessarily like the guy, but he was a dynamic player that was winning games for a while.  Most I know feared him when they would play the Saints, and for good reason.  Of course, those days are long gone.



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To me the "Vick" thing is easy ~ he hasn't started a game since the 2006 season so why would there be much interest?

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DaNkinator wrote: I just read another rumour that the Eagles and Oakland are trying to work out a deal. It looked something like McNabb, Samuel and pick #24 for Asomugha and #8.

Sounds like BS to me though. If it was true, get that shit done. Take Berry with the 8th. :D


Davis already give up on that tree stump JaMarcus Russell? LOL

Asomugha is gonna be costly for the Eagles if it happens. He has a big contract and ,I think, one more year on his current contract.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
Chrisstlouis wrote: When did heĀ ever?
According to a select few on this board, Vick was/is the best thing since sliced Bread. These same people also said that JaMarcus Russell was going to be a Stud in the NFL.


Not going to be...they said Jamarcus was already a stud.

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BayouBoogie wrote: Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever? Vick was winning like crazy and carrying mediocre falcon teams in his first few seasons. That is a fact.  I don't necessarily like the guy, but he was a dynamic player that was winning games for a while.  Most I know feared him when they would play the Saints, and for good reason.  Of course, those days are long gone.





Vick's starting seasons:

2002:  9-6-1, lost in divisional playoff round
2004:  11-5, lost in NFC Championship Game
2005:  8-8, no playoffs
2006:  7-9, no playoffs

Getting to the playoffs twice with the Falcons in three years is a nice feat, and one that Matt Ryan should accomplish soon, if not in the 2010 season.  "Winning like crazy" is a bit of a stretch though, and the trajectory of the team is clearly downward over this stretch.  I don't like Vick, and don't make any bones about that.  He was, for a while, a uniquely talented player for his position, but was never an elite quarterback.  He made many highlight plays, but wasn't an elite passer and didn't look to be on track to become one.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: BayouBoogie wrote: Chrisstlouis wrote: When did he ever? Vick was winning like crazy and carrying mediocre falcon teams in his first few seasons. That is a fact.  I don't necessarily like the guy, but he was a dynamic player that was winning games for a while.  Most I know feared him when they would play the Saints, and for good reason.  Of course, those days are long gone.





Vick's starting seasons:

2002:  9-6-1, lost in divisional playoff round
2004:  11-5, lost in NFC Championship Game
2005:  8-8, no playoffs
2006:  7-9, no playoffs

Getting to the playoffs twice with the Falcons in three years is a nice feat, and one that Matt Ryan should accomplish soon, if not in the 2010 season.  "Winning like crazy" is a bit of a stretch though, and the trajectory of the team is clearly downward over this stretch.  I don't like Vick, and don't make any bones about that.  He was, for a while, a uniquely talented player for his position, but was never an elite quarterback.  He made many highlight plays, but wasn't an elite passer and didn't look to be on track to become one.


He was out with injury for some of those losses in the early seasons.  They were winning when he was in and he took a crap team to the NFC championship game.  Try looking up the difference in the Falcons performance when he was in and when he was out. It was major.  The 8-8 season is when Mora inexplicably tried to change the offense that was working.

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He missed one game in the 2002 and 2004 seasons.  He missed a ton of games in the 2003 season, and I didn't include that one because it wouldn't be fair to pin any of a dreadful 5-11 season on him.  Were the Falcons better with Vick than without him from 2002-2004?  Without a doubt.  They were very mediocre with him in 2005 and 2006.

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tofu_chipmunk wrote: He missed one game in the 2002 and 2004 seasons.  He missed a ton of games in the 2003 season, and I didn't include that one because it wouldn't be fair to pin any of a dreadful 5-11 season on him.  Were the Falcons better with Vick than without him from 2002-2004?  Without a doubt.  They were very mediocre with him in 2005 and 2006.

He was 22-11-1 with a trip to the NFC Championship and a mediocre team.  And I already said he went down after those first few years, but 22-11-1 with that Falcon team they had at that time is very good.

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What surprises me is that it appears the Eagles WILL BE trading McNabb. They seem prepared to take Oakland's second rounder if they can't get a better deal.

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Just remember all the shit you Eagles fans are talking here, when your team doesn't do dick for the next 3-5 seasons w/o McNabb. You'll soon want him back......you heard it here first.

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stingmark wrote:
Just remember all the shit you Eagles fans are talking here, when your team doesn't do dick for the next 3-5 seasons w/o McNabb. You'll soon want him back......you heard it here first.

I like McNabb, but it's time for Him to move on, it's time for Kevin Kolb. They will score points, but the team won't go anywhere unless it improves the Defense. The Defense was downright horrible last year.

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C.C. Milani wrote: What surprises me is that it appears the Eagles WILL BE trading McNabb. They seem prepared to take Oakland's second rounder if they can't get a better deal.
I still think that San Fran will make an offer before it's all said and done. With Donny, the Niners could win the NFC West, and Singletary knows it.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote:
Just remember all the shit you Eagles fans are talking here, when your team doesn't do dick for the next 3-5 seasons w/o McNabb. You'll soon want him back......you heard it here first.

I like McNabb, but it's time for Him to move on, it's time for Kevin Kolb. They will score points, but the team won't go anywhere unless it improves the Defense. The Defense was downright horrible last year.


But, some Eagles fans would blame Donovan for that? Not his fault. IMO, I think McNabb's a very very good QB, argueably one of the best you've had in Philly, and has taken you farther than ANY other Eagles QB has? But, thats my opinion.

Truth be told...had he been Qb'in for my shitty Lions and gotten them to 5 NFC titles and a SB...I'd think the guy could write his own ticket out of town. He'd be a god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

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C.C. Milani wrote: What surprises me is that it appears the Eagles WILL BE trading McNabb. They seem prepared to take Oakland's second rounder if they can't get a better deal.Gotta love Al Davis. There's not a sloppy second he won't take.

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Just look @ how Davis fucked up last years draft? Darrius Heyward Bay, are you fucking kidding me?

 

Thank goodness Davis isn't running my shitty Lions....we'd be even more fucked.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote:
Just remember all the shit you Eagles fans are talking here, when your team doesn't do dick for the next 3-5 seasons w/o McNabb. You'll soon want him back......you heard it here first.

I like McNabb, but it's time for Him to move on, it's time for Kevin Kolb. They will score points, but the team won't go anywhere unless it improves the Defense. The Defense was downright horrible last year.


But, some Eagles fans would blame Donovan for that? Not his fault. IMO, I think McNabb's a very very good QB, argueably one of the best you've had in Philly, and has taken you farther than ANY other Eagles QB has? But, thats my opinion.

Truth be told...had he been Qb'in for my shitty Lions and gotten them to 5 NFC titles and a SB...I'd think the guy could write his own ticket out of town. He'd be a god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote:
Just remember all the shit you Eagles fans are talking here, when your team doesn't do dick for the next 3-5 seasons w/o McNabb. You'll soon want him back......you heard it here first.

I like McNabb, but it's time for Him to move on, it's time for Kevin Kolb. They will score points, but the team won't go anywhere unless it improves the Defense. The Defense was downright horrible last year.


But, some Eagles fans would blame Donovan for that? Not his fault. IMO, I think McNabb's a very very good QB, argueably one of the best you've had in Philly, and has taken you farther than ANY other Eagles QB has? But, thats my opinion.

Truth be told...had he been Qb'in for my shitty Lions and gotten them to 5 NFC titles and a SB...I'd think the guy could write his own ticket out of town. He'd be a god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.

I think Fat Andy is the problem not McNabb. If the Eagles get rid of McNabb, it is curtains for them. Then you'll have all the Philly fans whining that McNabb is no longer with the Eagles. Can't wait to see it happen. :cool:

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Andy is more the "problem" than McNabb however he is under contract for three more years. We (Philly fans) really don't know "which" is the "problem" just we know the Reid/McNabb combo isn't going to get it done. I am opposed to trading McNabb for a bag of donuts but recognize that there is too much drama in the current situation for the outcome to be good.

McNabb is on TMZ of all places now by the way

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As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.

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Kid_Naitch wrote:
As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.

I just don't get it. Why make radical changes to an 11-5 team?

Unless they know something that we don't, like Kevin Kolb is ready to become a star.

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C.C. Milani wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote:
As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.

I just don't get it. Why make radical changes to an 11-5 team?

Unless they know something that we don't, like Kevin Kolb is ready to become a star.

Tired of 11-5 every year. That's it in a nutshell. there's a "what if" involved. What if the dropoff by moving McNabb is minimal and in dealing McNabb you can pick up defensive line help - aren't you better? That's the thought process.

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beejmi wrote: Andy is more the "problem" than McNabb however he is under contract for three more years. We (Philly fans) really don't know "which" is the "problem" just we know the Reid/McNabb combo isn't going to get it done. I am opposed to trading McNabb for a bag of donuts but recognize that there is too much drama in the current situation for the outcome to be good.

McNabb is on TMZ of all places now by the way

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I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.

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C.C. Milani wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote:
As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.

I just don't get it. Why make radical changes to an 11-5 team?

Unless they know something that we don't, like Kevin Kolb is ready to become a star.

They haven't been 11-5 in a few years, barely making the playoffs the last Two. The Fans in Philly demand a Super Bowl,  not just to make the playoffs and most people around here think that it isn't going to happen with McNabb ( who I think gets a very bad rap) as QB. Kolb isn't a world beater, by no means, but the Offense is very young and They want the team to grow up together. This year's draft is suppose to be the deepest in 15-20 years, and the Eagles already have 4 picks in the First 3 Rounds. If They can get a 2nd or even a 1st for McNabb, They can do some damage. They also hired former Ravens draft Guru Phil Savage to run the draft for Them. The Eagles are going to be very busy at this year's draft.

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They were 11-5 last year, bud :)

I understand that the goal is the Super Bowl, but I can't help but think they have a better shot in 2010 with McNabb over Kolb.

And for the record I liked Kolb pretty much more than anyone the last time I saw him. I was saying before the 2007 Draft that Miami should take him with the #9 pick overall. :shock:

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C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.

They won't go 6-10 though. They have plenty of offensive weapons. They won't even need Kolb to be "great" in all honesty.

He (McNabb) has a 6 million dollar roster bonus coming May 5th. It will be interested to see if they swallow that.

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The past decade has a been a golden age for Philly. It's just a bit unfortunate that the Pats rose at the same time and were better in the SB, but Philly's probably had the most consistently good team in the NFC since 2000. I don't see why the desire to dismantle that.

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Kid_Naitch wrote: The past decade has a been a golden age for Philly. It's just a bit unfortunate that the Pats rose at the same time and were better in the SB, but Philly's probably had the most consistently good team in the NFC since 2000. I don't see why the desire to dismantle that.
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beejmi wrote:
He (McNabb) has a 6 million dollar roster bonus coming May 5th. It will be interested to see if they swallow that.


It seems like they're definitely dealing him before the draft, and the team he's traded to will either pick up the bonus or sign him to an extension.

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beejmi wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote: The past decade has a been a golden age for Philly. It's just a bit unfortunate that the Pats rose at the same time and were better in the SB, but Philly's probably had the most consistently good team in the NFC since 2000. I don't see why the desire to dismantle that.
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I'll try to contain this rant. :cool:


I watched probably the best Cubs teams of my lifetime (well, at least since I started caring about sports in 1988 or so at age 6) win exactly zero games in the playoffs and get swept twice. Still, they won back-to-back Central titles. Then they "tweaked" the club, added Milton Bradley, got rid of DeRosa, et al., and didn't make the playoffs last year.

I'd be happy with making the playoffs and losing right away than tweaking the team and getting worse. Of course, that all depends on whether or not you think the changes are for the better. In the case of the Cubs after the 08 season, I didn't think they were and I was proved right. I think the same thing applies for the Eagles - they shouldn't get rid of either McNabb or Reid, both of who have been integral to the team's success the past decade.

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The 1984 Cubs team had the best chance to win the World Series. The 1989 team was one of the luckiest teams I've ever seen. The teams that made the playoffs from this decade weren't nearly as good as that 1984 team.

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clawmaster wrote: The 1984 Cubs team had the best chance to win the World Series. The 1989 team was one of the luckiest teams I've ever seen. The teams that made the playoffs from this decade weren't nearly as good as that 1984 team.

Yeah, though I was 2 in 1984, so I tried to couch "lifetime" as "since I've been sports-cognizant."

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C.C. Milani wrote: They were 11-5 last year, bud :)

I understand that the goal is the Super Bowl, but I can't help but think they have a better shot in 2010 with McNabb over Kolb.

And for the record I liked Kolb pretty much more than anyone the last time I saw him. I was saying before the 2007 Draft that Miami should take him with the #9 pick overall. :shock:

It didn't feel like an 11-5 season. My bad.

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Kid_Naitch wrote: beejmi wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote: The past decade has a been a golden age for Philly. It's just a bit unfortunate that the Pats rose at the same time and were better in the SB, but Philly's probably had the most consistently good team in the NFC since 2000. I don't see why the desire to dismantle that.
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I'll try to contain this rant. :cool:


I watched probably the best Cubs teams of my lifetime (well, at least since I started caring about sports in 1988 or so at age 6) win exactly zero games in the playoffs and get swept twice. Still, they won back-to-back Central titles. Then they "tweaked" the club, added Milton Bradley, got rid of DeRosa, et al., and didn't make the playoffs last year.

I'd be happy with making the playoffs and losing right away than tweaking the team and getting worse. Of course, that all depends on whether or not you think the changes are for the better. In the case of the Cubs after the 08 season, I didn't think they were and I was proved right. I think the same thing applies for the Eagles - they shouldn't get rid of either McNabb or Reid, both of who have been integral to the team's success the past decade.

The big thing is that if the Eagles don't improve their Defense, They aren't gonna win Jack. Most Eagles fans are willing to take a year or Two hit, then have 10 years of great Football. That's why McNabb has to leave.

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It didn't feel like an 11-5 season. My bad.

Could have been the way it ended that makes you feel that way.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.


What "big games" hasn't he stepped up in exactly? he's taken you farther any other Eagles QB in the history of the franchise. He's "stepped up" in alot of those games...other players have not. I agree with another poster...Reid's a major problem for them. And they're dead on: Mcnabb leaves...goodbye to your Eagles being any sort of good for the next 3-5 years, possibly longer.

Keep this in mind: If Kolb were any good, he'd have been the starter already, and not stuck behind Vick.

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Kid_Naitch wrote: As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.
That was my point as well. Fuck! Lions fans would fucking wash Mcnabb's car and mow his lawn on a daily basis, if he did that shit for us?

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C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

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DeSean Jackson the young wide receiver is really good. Celek is their tight end. He's decent. Not sold on the replacement for Westbrook. LeSean McCoy from Pitt.

But if Fat Andy truly believes in Kolb, then trade McNabb. I don't believe in Kolb but obviously Fat Andy does.

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clawmaster wrote: DeSean Jackson the young wide receiver is really good. Celek is their tight end. He's decent. Not sold on the replacement for Westbrook. LeSean McCoy from Pitt.

But if Fat Andy truly believes in Kolb, then trade McNabb. I don't believe in Kolb but obviously Fat Andy does.

You're right...Jackson's VG.....until they fix their running game...nothing else will matter.

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That's the other part of the equation also. Name an Eagle's quarterback who has not been successful under Reid. Andy adjusts his gameplan when he hasn't had McNabb around. Guys like Jeff Garcia and AJ Feeley have had success in the "system" even though it clearly isn't the same scheme they run with McNabb taking snaps. So why do you need McNabb so much when a "B" quarterback will get the same results?

I don't agree with all this either but I get the thought process.

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beejmi wrote: That's the other part of the equation also. Name an Eagle's quarterback who has not been successful under Reid. Andy adjusts his gameplan when he hasn't had McNabb around. Guys like Jeff Garcia and AJ Feeley have had success in the "system" even though it clearly isn't the same scheme they run with McNabb taking snaps. So why do you need McNabb so much when a "B" quarterback will get the same results?

I don't agree with all this either but I get the thought process.


Garcia was good wherever he went though...he was good in Detroit,  Frisco, Oakland, and TB. Feeley was/is garbage. If they thought that much of him, they wouldve kept him around longer.

If a "B" qb can get it done more than McNabb, they wouldve launched Donovan a few years back?

just sayin.

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beejmi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
It didn't feel like an 11-5 season. My bad.

Could have been the way it ended that makes you feel that way.

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stingmark wrote:

Garcia was good wherever he went though...he was good in Detroit,  Frisco, Oakland, and TB. Feeley was/is garbage. If they thought that much of him, they wouldve kept him around longer.

If a "B" qb can get it done more than McNabb, they wouldve launched Donovan a few years back?

just sayin.


Garcia and Feeley didn't do anything after Philly.  And that's part of the equation also. If Garcia and Feeley can succeed so can Kolb. Or so the thought process.

I don't think they ever considered moving McNabb before now. Even a few years back he had the "injury prone" tag on him which and they would have got less than desired for him.

I had a dream last night that they traded him (in the division) to the Redskins. There's no way - right? Of course they did something with Dallas on draft day a couple years back and acted like they were just so much smarter than the Cowboys.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.


What "big games" hasn't he stepped up in exactly? he's taken you farther any other Eagles QB in the history of the franchise. He's "stepped up" in alot of those games...other players have not. I agree with another poster...Reid's a major problem for them. And they're dead on: Mcnabb leaves...goodbye to your Eagles being any sort of good for the next 3-5 years, possibly longer.

Keep this in mind: If Kolb were any good, he'd have been the starter already, and not stuck behind Vick.

Psst.... Kolb is the # 2 QB.  McNabb has been in 5 NFC championship games and have won 1. He has played shall I'll say" not so good" in these games, and I'm saying this as a McNabb fan.  When the pressure mounts, He hasn't come up big at all. His Interception to TD rate goes way up as well.

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stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

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stingmark wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote: As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.
That was my point as well. Fuck! Lions fans would fucking wash Mcnabb's car and mow his lawn on a daily basis, if he did that shit for us?

No offense, but maybe that's why the Lions, nor Chiefs have won anything in the past 30 years. You Guys SETTLE for 11-5, Philly fans don't. They want a championship, not settle for Second best.

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clawmaster wrote: DeSean Jackson the young wide receiver is really good. Celek is their tight end. He's decent. Not sold on the replacement for Westbrook. LeSean McCoy from Pitt.

But if Fat Andy truly believes in Kolb, then trade McNabb. I don't believe in Kolb but obviously Fat Andy does.

Claw, Fat Andy is stuborn. Jackson is a gamebreaker, Celek will be a Pro Bowler this year, McCoy is going to be better with another season underneath Him, and Maclin is going to be a stud. Eagle fans are willing to take a step or Two back this and next year, to be better for the next 10.

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stingmark wrote: clawmaster wrote: DeSean Jackson the young wide receiver is really good. Celek is their tight end. He's decent. Not sold on the replacement for Westbrook. LeSean McCoy from Pitt.

But if Fat Andy truly believes in Kolb, then trade McNabb. I don't believe in Kolb but obviously Fat Andy does.

You're right...Jackson's VG.....until they fix their running game...nothing else will matter.

Their Running game is fine. The combination of McCoy, Weaver & Mike Bell will do just fine.

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brodiescomics wrote: beejmi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
It didn't feel like an 11-5 season. My bad.

Could have been the way it ended that makes you feel that way.

You're Welcome. :cool:

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

Yeah, I have to agree here and wonder if you even watch any other team besides those shitty Lions of yours that you think someone like Westbrook is garbage?

You couldn't be any more wrong.  Was he elite?  No.  Was he a lot better than average?  Hell yes he was.

But because they depended on the running game so much because of his ability to deliver, he took a shit load of punishment and has had numerous concussions.

Seriously dude, educate yourself at least a little bit before spouting off the ridiculous shit you're posting...

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Westbrook was productive as recently as the 2008 season (when healthy, natch), but the wear and tear has taken its toll.

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You Philly fans are going to wish for the glory days of Reid and McNabb when this is all said and done. Trust me. Most fans wish they had teams that are perennial playoff contenders.

I used to get frustrated with Flip Saunders. He was a shitty coach, but he could the Pistons in position to make a run every year. He was a horrible play off coach, but his teams were there with a chance. I wanted him gone more than anyone.

Guess what? When they kicked his ass out the door there wasn't anyone better to replace him. Now the Pistons are in the shitter and are only going to get worse. I'd rather be a team with a chance than a team looking at 3-5 years worth of rebuilding.

As a Lions and Bucs fan you can bet your sweet ass I would have loved to have had McNabb. His worst seasons are better than any QB the Lions have had in my lifetime.

Kolb hasn't shown much in his young career and to just assume he's a can't miss prospect is like counting your chickens before they've hatched.

Stinger can help me out on this list, but here are some projected future stars at the QB position who couldn't miss.

Chuck Long
Rodney Peete
Andre Ware
Scott Mitchell
Joey Harrington

Here are a couple that had bright futures after limited exposure as Lions QB's only to turn out as career back ups.
Charlie Batch
Mike McMahon

I'm not sure why you guys are so pissed about being successful for so long. I know the S Bowl is the goal, and it feels like that window is closing, but it could be a lot worse.


Metaphorically speaking, Reid and McNabb are like a super hot girl friend who goes anal and swallows cum. You guys are pissed that she refuses to do ATM, so you are going to kick her to the curb making the foolish assumption that the next girl you find will do ATM. The sad facts are most girls won't go anal or swallow.

Just something to think about.

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stingmark wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote: As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.
That was my point as well. Fuck! Lions fans would fucking wash Mcnabb's car and mow his lawn on a daily basis, if he did that shit for us?

No offense, but maybe that's why the Lions, nor Chiefs have won anything in the past 30 years. You Guys SETTLE for 11-5, Philly fans don't. They want a championship, not settle for Second best.


I think the Lions, Eagles and Chiefs are tied in Super Bowl wins in the last 30 years.

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Metaphorically speaking, Reid and McNabb are like a super hot girl friend who goes anal and swallows cum. You guys are pissed that she refuses to do ATM, so you are going to kick her to the curb making the foolish assumption that the next girl you find will do ATM. The sad facts are most girls won't go anal or swallow.

This is the greatest analogy of all time.

As far as the rest of the post goes, I only disagree with one part: when the Lions drafted both Harrington and Ware, I thought (and many agreed) that those players would bust. Rodney Peete was a 5th rounder IIRC so it's not like he arrived with huge expectations.

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stingmark wrote: beejmi wrote: That's the other part of the equation also. Name an Eagle's quarterback who has not been successful under Reid. Andy adjusts his gameplan when he hasn't had McNabb around. Guys like Jeff Garcia and AJ Feeley have had success in the "system" even though it clearly isn't the same scheme they run with McNabb taking snaps. So why do you need McNabb so much when a "B" quarterback will get the same results?

I don't agree with all this either but I get the thought process.


Garcia was good wherever he went though...he was good in Detroit,  Frisco, Oakland, and TB. Feeley was/is garbage. If they thought that much of him, they wouldve kept him around longer.

If a "B" qb can get it done more than McNabb, they wouldve launched Donovan a few years back?

just sayin.

Garcia was very good with the Niners. He stunk in Cleveland and Detriot. He was good for the Eagles and decent for the Bucs. He never played for the Raiders. (He left the team during training camp). I am not too familiar with relationship  between Andy Reid and the Eagles so I don't know whats going on over there. Garcia seems to be fine when he is surrounded with talent. I am sure McNabb is the same way. The Eagles were just outplayed, out coached, out prepared over the past decade in the playoffs. I would have to point the finger at Reid. Getting rid of McNabb seems to be the easiest way to fix the problem due to Salary and age. Giving him away for a second rounder is going to bite the Eagles in the ass. The next one or two seasons are going to be rough on them. I am not sold on Kolb or Vick(yet). With no running the Eagles are gonna have to rely on their QB's arm and I don't see it. (They should be trying to move up in the draft and pick CJ Spiller). Eagles fans are hoping for the second coming of Aaron Rodgers but by that time Kolb's confidence may be shot.

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C.C. Milani wrote:
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Metaphorically speaking, Reid and McNabb are like a super hot girl friend who goes anal and swallows cum. You guys are pissed that she refuses to do ATM, so you are going to kick her to the curb making the foolish assumption that the next girl you find will do ATM. The sad facts are most girls won't go anal or swallow.

This is the greatest analogy of all time.

As far as the rest of the post goes, I only disagree with one part: when the Lions drafted both Harrington and Ware, I thought (and many agreed) that those players would bust. Rodney Peete was a 5th rounder IIRC so it's not like he arrived with huge expectations.


Seconded. Great analogy! I never understood what the issue was with McNabb and Philly, but then again, I'm a Giants fan. He always tends to beat us (and we beat Dallas, Dallas beats Philly, we all beat Washington!).

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Eagles trade CB Sheldon Brown & LB Chris Gocong to Cleveland for LB Alex Hall , 4th & 5th Round pick. Bad trade, should've never traded Brown. and if They did, They should've got at least a 2nd for Him. They are going young, have ALOT of picks ( 10), Four in the top 87 picks. McNabb is good as gone.

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stingmark wrote: Kid_Naitch wrote: As a Chiefs fan, I'd kill to be in Philly's boat of seemingly making the playoffs or being the hunt every year. I'd be happy with McNabb and Reid.
That was my point as well. Fuck! Lions fans would fucking wash Mcnabb's car and mow his lawn on a daily basis, if he did that shit for us?

No offense, but maybe that's why the Lions, nor Chiefs have won anything in the past 30 years. You Guys SETTLE for 11-5, Philly fans don't. They want a championship, not settle for Second best.


I think the Lions, Eagles and Chiefs are tied in Super Bowl wins in the last 30 years.

Correct Sin, but the Lions haven't been to a Championship game, and the Chiefs have been only to One Championship game in 30 years. The Eagles at least, have been there, with Two Super Bowl appearances & Six NFC Championship games. That's why Philly fans won't settle for Second best, because They know this Team could win. The Chiefs and Lions Fans are just happy to be there.

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That was sort of my point. Philly fans are willing to give up the two constants in that successful run, when the rest of the league is struggling to find one. Refer back to my Flip Saunders reference. Chauncey Billups was the same as McNabb in a way. Great player, but he kept coming up short, and we wanted a title, so they both were replaced (Chauncey and Flip). Check the Pistons standings the last two years, and see how it ended up.

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I think why the tide has turned in terms of "let's make a move" is because of how the season ended. The door was slammed in their face. Not good enough. Not good enough to beat Dallas. Not good enough to beat New Orleans. Not good enough to beat Minnesota. At best 4th best in the NFC. At best.

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beejmi wrote: I think why the tide has turned in terms of "let's make a move" is because of how the season ended. The door was slammed in their face. Not good enough. Not good enough to beat Dallas. Not good enough to beat New Orleans. Not good enough to beat Minnesota. At best 4th best in the NFC. At best.

That's why it's time to make a change.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: beejmi wrote: I think why the tide has turned in terms of "let's make a move" is because of how the season ended. The door was slammed in their face. Not good enough. Not good enough to beat Dallas. Not good enough to beat New Orleans. Not good enough to beat Minnesota. At best 4th best in the NFC. At best.

That's why it's time to make a change.

Maybe it's the Head Coach that needs to be changed.

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Donovan is a Chicago guy. I like him. I wish we (The Bears) had him all these years.

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clawmaster wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: beejmi wrote: I think why the tide has turned in terms of "let's make a move" is because of how the season ended. The door was slammed in their face. Not good enough. Not good enough to beat Dallas. Not good enough to beat New Orleans. Not good enough to beat Minnesota. At best 4th best in the NFC. At best.

That's why it's time to make a change.

Maybe it's the Head Coach that needs to be changed.

Reid will never be fired. Alot of people think that Reid is the main problem ( including Myself). Lurie, Banner & Reid might as well be a Law firm.

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C.C. Milani wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote:
Metaphorically speaking, Reid and McNabb are like a super hot girl friend who goes anal and swallows cum. You guys are pissed that she refuses to do ATM, so you are going to kick her to the curb making the foolish assumption that the next girl you find will do ATM. The sad facts are most girls won't go anal or swallow.

This is the greatest analogy of all time.

As far as the rest of the post goes, I only disagree with one part: when the Lions drafted both Harrington and Ware, I thought (and many agreed) that those players would bust. Rodney Peete was a 5th rounder IIRC so it's not like he arrived with huge expectations.



Dont mention the fact that Harrington was surrrounded by GARBAGE his entire Detroit career? They changed offensive schemes on him EVERY YEAR HE WAS THERE. No O line/no rbs/no WR's...yep, anyone could be a bust in that situation.

Ware was a good call...Fontes ruined him though, IMO.


Correct Sin, but the Lions haven't been to a Championship game, and the Chiefs have been only to One Championship game in 30 years. The Eagles at least, have been there, with Two Super Bowl appearances & Six NFC Championship games. That's why Philly fans won't settle for Second best, because They know this Team could win. The Chiefs and Lions Fans are just happy to be there.

If by "Championships" you mean SB's? then, no, Detroit's never been to one. They did go to the NFC championship in '91, and they've won 3 world titles, but no sb's.

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stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: The Ultimate Sin wrote:
Metaphorically speaking, Reid and McNabb are like a super hot girl friend who goes anal and swallows cum. You guys are pissed that she refuses to do ATM, so you are going to kick her to the curb making the foolish assumption that the next girl you find will do ATM. The sad facts are most girls won't go anal or swallow.

This is the greatest analogy of all time.

As far as the rest of the post goes, I only disagree with one part: when the Lions drafted both Harrington and Ware, I thought (and many agreed) that those players would bust. Rodney Peete was a 5th rounder IIRC so it's not like he arrived with huge expectations.



Dont mention the fact that Harrington was surrrounded by GARBAGE his entire Detroit career? They changed offensive schemes on him EVERY YEAR HE WAS THERE. No O line/no rbs/no WR's...yep, anyone could be a bust in that situation.

Ware was a good call...Fontes ruined him though, IMO.


Correct Sin, but the Lions haven't been to a Championship game, and the Chiefs have been only to One Championship game in 30 years. The Eagles at least, have been there, with Two Super Bowl appearances & Six NFC Championship games. That's why Philly fans won't settle for Second best, because They know this Team could win. The Chiefs and Lions Fans are just happy to be there.

If by "Championships" you mean SB's? then, no, Detroit's never been to one. They did go to the NFC championship in '91, and they've won 3 world titles, but no sb's.

I know that the Lions have won Championships , but the statement was the last 30 Years. I did forget about the Lions 91 NFC Championship appearance. My apologies.

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stingmark wrote:
[user=264]Dont mention the fact that Harrington was surrrounded by GARBAGE his entire Detroit career? They changed offensive schemes on him EVERY YEAR HE WAS THERE. No O line/no rbs/no WR's...yep, anyone could be a bust in that situation.

Ware was a good call...Fontes ruined him though, IMO.


Harrington didn't do well anywhere else. I didn't even think he was that good at Oregon. I never, ever saw him as a first rounder.

As far as Ware goes, I read an SI article on him before that draft, and the alarms went off. I'm not someone that thinks every athlete is spoiled and coddled, but Ware certainly seemed like he was.

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Found it:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1136929/index.htm

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Fontes killed Ware, Kramer, and Peete. Harrington was surrounded by shit, but everyone thought he was surrounded by stars. That was the biggest knock on the guy. Then when he was gone everyone found out Williams, Williams, Rogers, and Jones sucked. To be fair, everyone knew the O-line sucked.

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McNabb update. Redskins & Eagles apparently have talked about Players & or Draft Picks. The Skins want McNabb in a BIG way, stay tuned.........

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: McNabb update. Redskins & Eagles apparently have talked about Players & or Draft Picks. The Skins want McNabb in a BIG way, stay tuned.........
This is exactly the dumb kind of thing (trading within the division) that they would do. And then be arrogant about it like they know something nobody else knows.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.


What "big games" hasn't he stepped up in exactly? he's taken you farther any other Eagles QB in the history of the franchise. He's "stepped up" in alot of those games...other players have not. I agree with another poster...Reid's a major problem for them. And they're dead on: Mcnabb leaves...goodbye to your Eagles being any sort of good for the next 3-5 years, possibly longer.

Keep this in mind: If Kolb were any good, he'd have been the starter already, and not stuck behind Vick.

Psst.... Kolb is the # 2 QB.  McNabb has been in 5 NFC championship games and have won 1. He has played shall I'll say" not so good" in these games, and I'm saying this as a McNabb fan.  When the pressure mounts, He hasn't come up big at all. His Interception to TD rate goes way up as well.

Psst...again, what games hasn't he stepped up in exactly? w/o him, you wouldnt have even made it to 1 NFC title game, nor that SB appearance?

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

He has? through all of his concussions? he himself has carried the entire team to 5 NFC titles, and a SB? He's done so much for them, they've released him, and another team has yet to pick him up.

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DaNkinator wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

Yeah, I have to agree here and wonder if you even watch any other team besides those shitty Lions of yours that you think someone like Westbrook is garbage?

You couldn't be any more wrong.  Was he elite?  No.  Was he a lot better than average?  Hell yes he was.

But because they depended on the running game so much because of his ability to deliver, he took a shit load of punishment and has had numerous concussions.

Seriously dude, educate yourself at least a little bit before spouting off the ridiculous shit you're posting...


Im not saying then...Im  saying he's garbage now......or, he'd still be there? and wouldnt still be available on the FA market? Now? he's garbage, as he's been injured way too much. No question he's been an integral part of the Iggles for some time.

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I know that the Lions have won Championships , but the statement was the last 30 Years. I did forget about the Lions 91 NFC Championship appearance. My apologies.


No worries. I dont forget(trust me)...one of the greatest years of my life.:D

Like I said earlier: dont bitch when McNabb's gone, and your davior Kolb can't even get you to the Playoffs, or nowhere near as far(or farther) than McNabb.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Fontes killed Ware, Kramer, and Peete. Harrington was surrounded by shit, but everyone thought he was surrounded by stars. That was the biggest knock on the guy. Then when he was gone everyone found out Williams, Williams, Rogers, and Jones sucked. To be fair, everyone knew the O-line sucked.

Best of the bunch.. I totally agree. I said, he was surrounded by GARBAGE his entire tenure in Detroit. By the time  Matt Moron/Rod decided to try to fix it, so he could actually be decent? he was a memory, and complete garbage by then.

Call me crazy, but if your #1 weapon is (garbage) Az Hakim as WR(an at best 5th wr on any other team, not named Detroit), you're in SERIOUS trouble. The Rams didnt think he was vg either, which is why he couldnt crack their top 3 WR's every week.

Matt Moron thought enough of him, to sign him to some ridiculous contract, we couldnt gte out of, so he stayed here and stunk up the palce, as only garbage can.

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Mike Furrey was their best reciever a couple years ago and he was a safety for the Rams.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:  god in some fans eyes in Detroit.......

They blame McNabb, and rightly so, for choking in the big games. He doesn't show up when it matters. Eagles fans want championships, not just playoff appearances.


What "big games" hasn't he stepped up in exactly? he's taken you farther any other Eagles QB in the history of the franchise. He's "stepped up" in alot of those games...other players have not. I agree with another poster...Reid's a major problem for them. And they're dead on: Mcnabb leaves...goodbye to your Eagles being any sort of good for the next 3-5 years, possibly longer.

Keep this in mind: If Kolb were any good, he'd have been the starter already, and not stuck behind Vick.

Psst.... Kolb is the # 2 QB.  McNabb has been in 5 NFC championship games and have won 1. He has played shall I'll say" not so good" in these games, and I'm saying this as a McNabb fan.  When the pressure mounts, He hasn't come up big at all. His Interception to TD rate goes way up as well.

Psst...again, what games hasn't he stepped up in exactly? w/o him, you wouldnt have even made it to 1 NFC title game, nor that SB appearance?


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00_playoffs.htm

He's played 16 Playoff Games with a record of  9-7

His stats overall in these games:   341/577  3752 yards  24TD 17INT 59.1% 80 QB Rating.

If You see these stats, You would think that They are pretty good, but His Career Int's go way up in the post season compared to His regular season stats. He got ALOT of these Yards in " Prevent Defense" mode. I know this because I have watched every single Eagles game since McNabb has became an Eagle. In 2 of the NFC Championship games at home against Tampa & Carolina, He was downright horrible. The Arizona game He played great, the Atlanta game They were ahead the whole game, so He didn't pass alot, and The Rams game, They had a very conserative Offensive game plan, and He still was under 50% completion rating. In the Super Bowl, He played decent and had " big" numbers, but still had 3INT's with those 3TD's

His numbers might look good, unless You watch every play of every game ( like most Eagles fans do).  When the pressure is on, He seems to shrink and disappear when You need Him the most. Eagle fans are tired of it ( even Fans like myself who has been an McNabb backer since day 1) and think it's time to move on.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

He has? through all of his concussions? he himself has carried the entire team to 5 NFC titles, and a SB? He's done so much for them, they've released him, and another team has yet to pick him up.

You would pick up a 30+ Running Back with Concussion problems the First day He was released due to Them? I know that You aren't that stupid. If You asked ANY Defensive Coordinator during the time Westbrook was an Eagle, until last year, He was the most feared Offensive weapon that They have. This alone proves that You don't watch Football because if You did, You would hear all of the Announcers say this during every broadcast.  Westbrook wasn't a factor during the First NFC Championship season, due to Him being basically a Rookie.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
I know that the Lions have won Championships , but the statement was the last 30 Years. I did forget about the Lions 91 NFC Championship appearance. My apologies.


No worries. I dont forget(trust me)...one of the greatest years of my life.:D

Like I said earlier: dont bitch when McNabb's gone, and your davior Kolb can't even get you to the Playoffs, or nowhere near as far(or farther) than McNabb.

* Sigh * I'm NOT a big fan of Kolb, and I'm NOT convinced that He's the/or a answer. I've never said that I was a fan of Kolb's. The Eagles have gotten as far as They will with McNabb, and it's time to get Younger, and to move foward and re-build.

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beejmi wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: McNabb update. Redskins & Eagles apparently have talked about Players & or Draft Picks. The Skins want McNabb in a BIG way, stay tuned.........
This is exactly the dumb kind of thing (trading within the division) that they would do. And then be arrogant about it like they know something nobody else knows.

Beej, say if the Eagles can get somehow, the Redskins First Round pick from Them ( since Synder LOVES McNabb and will do ANYTHING to get Him), wouldn't You just pull the trigger and do the deal? Really, Who's worried about the Redskins? The Eagles can do ALOT of damage in this Draft.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
Beej, say if the Eagles can get somehow, the Redskins First Round pick from Them ( since Synder LOVES McNabb and will do ANYTHING to get Him), wouldn't You just pull the trigger and do the deal? Really, Who's worried about the Redskins? The Eagles can do ALOT of damage in this Draft.


 

In 2007 Philly dealt their first round pick ( #26) to Dallas and they selected Anthony Spencer. Philly acted like it was "nothing" etc, etc. Spencer was all over McNabb the last two games of 2009. I guess the jury is still out because Philly picked up Kolb and Stewart Bradley through the switch and picks they obtained from Dallas but as of this moment Dallas got "something" and we're still trying to figure out what we got out of it.

I'm not a big fan of "just assuming the players we need  and the positions we need will be there for us" when we draft. To me the draft is a crap-shoot and I hate dealing a "known" quantity for an "unknown" quantity.

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If the Eagles are convinced a team can't win with McNabb, wouldn't they WANT him playing for a rival?

If I were trading a player I'd take the best deal, regardless of who it was coming from.

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If I were trading a player I'd take the best deal, regardless of who it was coming from.

There are so many mixed emotions here. He's a winner so why move him in favor of the unknown? But it's time for a change also (McNabb has had 11 years and at this point will he ever win it all?) - and we have this supposed stud Kolb riding the bench ala Aaron Rodgers or is he?

It comes down to what you get for him if you move him. What if you can't get "value" for him. If you have NcNabb/Kolb/Vick all in their last year of their contract you have tied your own hands in terms of what you will get as everybody knows you are moving at least one guy.

I do believe that McNabb will hold a Super Bowl trophy one day - but I'd be surprised if it was he and Andy Reid holding it up together.

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Looks like he's a Redskin. It will be funny to see him pound Philly twice this season.

I'm guessing PHI-WSH will be a Week 1 or 2 primetime game now.

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Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

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HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.

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beejmi wrote: If I were trading a player I'd take the best deal, regardless of who it was coming from.

There are so many mixed emotions here. He's a winner so why move him in favor of the unknown? But it's time for a change also (McNabb has had 11 years and at this point will he ever win it all?) - and we have this supposed stud Kolb riding the bench ala Aaron Rodgers or is he?

It comes down to what you get for him if you move him. What if you can't get "value" for him. If you have NcNabb/Kolb/Vick all in their last year of their contract you have tied your own hands in terms of what you will get as everybody knows you are moving at least one guy.

I do believe that McNabb will hold a Super Bowl trophy one day - but I'd be surprised if it was he and Andy Reid holding it up together.

WIP will need a new switchboard after tomorrow. A Guy on a Philly Sports board that I belong to,  said that Yesterday McNabb would be traded either Sunday Night or Monday Morning, according to someone He knows in the Front Office,  to try to steal some of the Phillies opening day thunder. I guess He was right. It's a damn shame that the McNabb era is over. Good luck in D.C. #5!

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I just saw the other day that the Redskins met with Claussen, do they still draft a QB and let him learn from a future HOF like McNabb for a couple of years or does this shuffle the draft board now?


(Before answering, remember this is the Redskins we're talking about)

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.

The way ESPN was reporting it, the Eagles did not get top dollar for him partially because they were accomodating McNabb, who asked to be traded to Wash. The story was reported that the 'Skins did not think they had much of a chance to land McNabb (they could not offer more than a #2 pick), but then their chances improved when he asked to go there. In the process, the Eagles were not able to ask as much as they could have from the Raiders.

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Also let me point out as a Pirates fan that the Redskins approach this year of acquiring guys who were major stars on the downside of their careers doesn't tend to work well. I mean, if it's one guy then yeah it's worth the "what the hell" chance, but not when you use that philosophy to build your whole offense.

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And yes timed to steal the headlines away from the Phillies. I hate this move.

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I officially don't get the Eagles fans here.

--They wanted McNabb out.

--Philly said they wanted a top-42 pick, so they knew what to expect.

--They got that pick AND another middle round pick.

--They don't like the trade.

Considering that McNabb is only signed for one more year AND the Eagles wanted to go with Kolb, I don't see what the problem is.

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I don't understand the desire to run Donovan out of town, do Eagles fans really thing Kevin fucking Kolb is going to lead them to the promised land?

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Ok so Donovan says "I would like to go here, here and here" - the correct counter to that is "Um ok not in the division so cross off Washington".

I was never sold a top 42 pick was "enough" anyway. Too much ongoing drama would have got better value by playing the waiting game.

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I was never sold a top 42 pick was "enough" anyway. Too much ongoing drama would have got better value by playing the waiting game.


Neither of us can say for sure, but I don't think waiting would have worked for Philly.

And how much can they ask for a guy that they:

A: Want to get rid of.
B: Can leave after one year?

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C.C. Milani wrote: beejmi wrote:
I was never sold a top 42 pick was "enough" anyway. Too much ongoing drama would have got better value by playing the waiting game.


Neither of us can say for sure, but I don't think waiting would have worked for Philly.

And how much can they ask for a guy that they:

A: Want to get rid of.
B: Can leave after one year?

More if somebody's QB goes down in training camp.

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beejmi wrote:
More if somebody's QB goes down in training camp.

And maybe even more than that if Favre retires, but they couldn't have a situation like this hanging over the team until camp. Plus the Eagles risked getting nothing AND having a controversy if they waited too long.

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sek69 wrote: I don't understand the desire to run Donovan out of town, do Eagles fans really thing Kevin fucking Kolb is going to lead them to the promised land?

Been singing that tune since the beginning of the thread.

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pjstef wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.

The way ESPN was reporting it, the Eagles did not get top dollar for him partially because they were accomodating McNabb, who asked to be traded to Wash. The story was reported that the 'Skins did not think they had much of a chance to land McNabb (they could not offer more than a #2 pick), but then their chances improved when he asked to go there. In the process, the Eagles were not able to ask as much as they could have from the Raiders.

The fat man Himself said that the best deal was Washington. Sometimes with the Eagles, You don't know who to believe.

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beejmi wrote: And yes timed to steal the headlines away from the Phillies. I hate this move.
They should've been able to get more for Him. Bottom line.

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C.C. Milani wrote: I officially don't get the Eagles fans here.

--They wanted McNabb out.

--Philly said they wanted a top-42 pick, so they knew what to expect.

--They got that pick AND another middle round pick.

--They don't like the trade.

Considering that McNabb is only signed for one more year AND the Eagles wanted to go with Kolb, I don't see what the problem is.

That's the way We like it. :tongue:

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sek69 wrote: I don't understand the desire to run Donovan out of town, do Eagles fans really thing Kevin fucking Kolb is going to lead them to the promised land?

As I have said already, They have gone as far as They will with Donny.

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beejmi wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: beejmi wrote:
I was never sold a top 42 pick was "enough" anyway. Too much ongoing drama would have got better value by playing the waiting game.


Neither of us can say for sure, but I don't think waiting would have worked for Philly.

And how much can they ask for a guy that they:

A: Want to get rid of.
B: Can leave after one year?

More if somebody's QB goes down in training camp.

The only problem with that is, this year's draft is considered to be the best in the last 15-20 years. They want a high pick for this year, so They can trade up and draft Eric Berry. They have alot of holes to fill and They know that They weren't going to go any farther then They did last year.

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C.C. Milani wrote: beejmi wrote:
More if somebody's QB goes down in training camp.

And maybe even more than that if Favre retires, but they couldn't have a situation like this hanging over the team until camp. Plus the Eagles risked getting nothing AND having a controversy if they waited too long.

Favre is going no where. Everybody in the league knows it. Reid & Childress are best friends, and Childress probably told Him that Favre was coming back.

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clawmaster wrote: sek69 wrote: I don't understand the desire to run Donovan out of town, do Eagles fans really thing Kevin fucking Kolb is going to lead them to the promised land?

Been singing that tune since the beginning of the thread.

No one knows if Kolb's the answer, but there is only one way to find out. I love McNabb, but as I have said about 50 other times in this thread, it was time for Him to move on...

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

He has? through all of his concussions? he himself has carried the entire team to 5 NFC titles, and a SB? He's done so much for them, they've released him, and another team has yet to pick him up.

You would pick up a 30+ Running Back with Concussion problems the First day He was released due to Them? I know that You aren't that stupid. If You asked ANY Defensive Coordinator during the time Westbrook was an Eagle, until last year, He was the most feared Offensive weapon that They have. This alone proves that You don't watch Football because if You did, You would hear all of the Announcers say this during every broadcast.  Westbrook wasn't a factor during the First NFC Championship season, due to Him being basically a Rookie.

I dont watch Philly football, correct. I doubt he was the biggest threat on the team for so many Years? if  he was, good for them. Since you've brought it up...what are his stats during their tremendous run there? But, they've shown "their biggest threat" the door, and now, no team wants him. I do watch football, alot.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
I know that the Lions have won Championships , but the statement was the last 30 Years. I did forget about the Lions 91 NFC Championship appearance. My apologies.


No worries. I dont forget(trust me)...one of the greatest years of my life.:D

Like I said earlier: dont bitch when McNabb's gone, and your davior Kolb can't even get you to the Playoffs, or nowhere near as far(or farther) than McNabb.

* Sigh * I'm NOT a big fan of Kolb, and I'm NOT convinced that He's the/or a answer. I've never said that I was a fan of Kolb's. The Eagles have gotten as far as They will with McNabb, and it's time to get Younger, and to move foward and re-build.


My biggest beef w/Eagles fans is: they blame McNabb for far too much. Just sayin: dont come back here and bitch, when McNabb beats the Eagles 1-2 times next year. They dont know how good they had it with that guy. As I said...had he played for Detroit...that guy would be able to write his own ticket out of town, they'd probably name streets after him, and so forth. He'd be worshipped in Detroit, just like Stafford WILL be.

The rock group Cinderella said it best with this song: "Dont know what you got...till it's gone".

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.


No bitching! Zero!!

 

Philly fans "who demand a winner every year" have no reason to whine now...they're man McNabb is not here anymore.....can't put any of it on him now.

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I'm not saying it wasn't time for Donovan to go, but if you know you're going to give your franchise QB his walking papers you would want more than an unproven commodity and a dog murderer to fall back on. 

Just sayin'.

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I don't think Kolb will hold them back from winning (he has a ton of "weapons") but the overall youth of the team will probably keep them from going too far. Good teams have a mix of youth and veterans and Philly is all youth/draft picks.

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The Redskins o-line is atrocious. McNabb wasn't the best at staying healthy as it was. I think he'll struggle in Washington.

It's kind of funny how the Pats got #34 for Cassel and the Eagles got #37 plus what should be a third for McNabb. I'd take the McNabb deal out of the two, it's just funny how close the compensation is.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.


No bitching! Zero!!

 

Philly fans "who demand a winner every year" have no reason to whine now...they're man McNabb is not here anymore.....can't put any of it on him now.

Que? Who's bitching? They have alot of high draft picks in the First 3 rounds. That's good!

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: C.C. Milani wrote: I hate to tell you this Bud, but 11-5 is a lot more fun than 6-10. Giving up McNabb for a 2nd isn't going to help your d-line immediately, if at all.

In this case sports mirrors real life, where the worst decisions are born out of frustration.


Very good point.

I'll also say....they've needed a RELIABLE rb and wr's for years now....and yet, no matter what happens, it's always McNabb's fault somehow? I found that fascinating. Westbrook is garbage, and has been for some time. Which is why, so many teams have passed on him, and he's still a FA(I believe). Plus, I cant name one of their WR's, can you?

 

No running game. no wr's,no defense....yep, it's McNabbs fault.

Do You even watch Football? Westbrook CARRIED that team for several years, that's why He's " garbage" now.He was the main threat on that team not McNabb. He got so beat up from all of the punishment that He's taken over the years, He became injury prone. Sometimes I wonder if You are KK18 the Second.

He has? through all of his concussions? he himself has carried the entire team to 5 NFC titles, and a SB? He's done so much for them, they've released him, and another team has yet to pick him up.

You would pick up a 30+ Running Back with Concussion problems the First day He was released due to Them? I know that You aren't that stupid. If You asked ANY Defensive Coordinator during the time Westbrook was an Eagle, until last year, He was the most feared Offensive weapon that They have. This alone proves that You don't watch Football because if You did, You would hear all of the Announcers say this during every broadcast.  Westbrook wasn't a factor during the First NFC Championship season, due to Him being basically a Rookie.

I dont watch Philly football, correct. I doubt he was the biggest threat on the team for so many Years? if  he was, good for them. Since you've brought it up...what are his stats during their tremendous run there? But, they've shown "their biggest threat" the door, and now, no team wants him. I do watch football, alot.

Who's Stats are You talking about? McNabb or Westbrook?

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DaNkinator wrote:
The Redskins o-line is atrocious.

Rumor has it that Washington and Seattle are working on a trade that would send both Seattle's picks to Washingtom for the Redskins' #4 overall and another pick. This is a exceptional draft for offensive linemen, somaybe Washington will go in that direction.

Incidentally, FreebirdsForever said this was the best draft in 15 - 20 years. This is the first time I've heard that, and I really don't see this being an exceptional draft either way. It's strong on OLs, but weak in other areas.

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C.C. Milani wrote: DaNkinator wrote:
The Redskins o-line is atrocious.

Rumor has it that Washington and Seattle are working on a trade that would send both Seattle's picks to Washingtom for the Redskins' #4 overall and another pick. 
 Unless seattle has to have the number 4 pick to hop in front  of KC its dumb to make that trade. Trading 2 first round picks to move up 2 spots is insane.

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Hence the "and another pick" qualifier.

It depends on how it all shakes out, but if the Rams go with Sam Bradford #1 (likely) there's speculation that Seattle and Buffalo are going to try to trade up to grab Jimmy Clausen. Supposedly the Lions are locked in on Okung and the Bucs are madly in love with a man named Suh, which would give Washington a lot of leverage at the #4 spot.

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C.C. Milani wrote: DaNkinator wrote:
The Redskins o-line is atrocious.

Rumor has it that Washington and Seattle are working on a trade that would send both Seattle's picks to Washingtom for the Redskins' #4 overall and another pick. This is a exceptional draft for offensive linemen, somaybe Washington will go in that direction.

Incidentally, FreebirdsForever said this was the best draft in 15 - 20 years. This is the first time I've heard that, and I really don't see this being an exceptional draft either way. It's strong on OLs, but weak in other areas.

NFL Network and others in the Football media have been saying this since the Combine. It's a very deep Draft.

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C.C. Milani wrote: Hence the "and another pick" qualifier.

It depends on how it all shakes out, but if the Rams go with Sam Bradford #1 (likely) there's speculation that Seattle and Buffalo are going to try to trade up to grab Jimmy Clausen. Supposedly the Lions are locked in on Okung and the Bucs are madly in love with a man named Suh, which would give Washington a lot of leverage at the #4 spot.

The Rams would be stupid to take Bradford at #1. They are not going to win anytime soon, so Draft Suh or McCoy with the 1st Pick, to help build a Defense. Bradford is already injury prone, and He would get killed in St. Louis.

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The Rams tried doing that when they drafted Chris Long over Matt Ryan.

To me if you need a QB and there's a legitimate top prospect available, you take the QB and start building around him.

I'm shaky on Sam Bradford as well due to the injury, but before that he was an exceptional talent. The Rams' doctors have checked out Bradford's shoulder and if they take him #1, it's safe to say that they were OK with it.

I'd still take Jimmy Clausen #1 overall.

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The shoulder is stronger then before.

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C.C. Milani wrote: The Rams tried doing that when they drafted Chris Long over Matt Ryan.

To me if you need a QB and there's a legitimate top prospect available, you take the QB and start building around him.

I'm shaky on Sam Bradford as well due to the injury, but before that he was an exceptional talent. The Rams' doctors have checked out Bradford's shoulder and if they take him #1, it's safe to say that they were OK with it.

I'd still take Jimmy Clausen #1 overall.

Didn't He hurt His Shoulder Twice at Oklahoma?

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Chrisstlouis wrote: The shoulder is stronger then before.
I didn't know that You were Dr. James Andrews.

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Just my mock draft.

Bradford will be the first pick. . Suh would be the first pick but Rams cut Bulger today . A line of Suh/Carriker/Long would be tough on offensive lines.

Lions and Bucs draft best players available in draft
Lions -Suh
Buc- McCoy


Redskins need to protect McNabb so they get Okung

KC and seattle also need o-line help they draft
KC-Anthony Davis
sea-Trent Williams

Browns ,I don't know what Holmgren is thinking but best player left is safety Eric Berry

Raiders- Heywood-Bey was a bust last year and Al davis is an idiot. He drafts WR Dez Bryant

Bills.- I can see OL Bruce Campbell but I say spot goes to Clausen

Jacksonville-horrible on pass defensive so Haden or Mayes end up here

 

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Benlen wrote: Just my mock draft.

Bradford will be the first pick. . Suh would be the first pick but Rams cut Bulger today . A line of Suh/Carriker/Long would be tough on offensive lines.

Lions and Bucs draft best players available in draft
Lions -Suh
Buc- McCoy


Redskins need to protect McNabb so they get Okung

KC and seattle also need o-line help they draft
KC-Anthony Davis
sea-Trent Williams

Browns ,I don't know what Holmgren is thinking but best player left is safety Eric Berry

Raiders- Heywood-Bey was a bust last year and Al davis is an idiot. He drafts WR Dez Bryant

Bills.- I can see OL Bruce Campbell but I say spot goes to Clausen

Jacksonville-horrible on pass defensive so Haden or Mayes end up here

 

I think the Eagles are trading up to get Berry, since They have the picks to do it. If not Him, the Eagles go after Cornerback Joe Haden, or FS Earl Thomas.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.


No bitching! Zero!!

 

Philly fans "who demand a winner every year" have no reason to whine now...they're man McNabb is not here anymore.....can't put any of it on him now.

Que? Who's bitching? They have alot of high draft picks in the First 3 rounds. That's good!


Someone was bitching about the pick they got for him....whoever it was: you got your wish...he's out of town now...cant put any blame on him anymore.

 

Westbrook...got his stats during his tenure there, as well as playoff stats?

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Benlen wrote: Just my mock draft.

Bradford will be the first pick. . Suh would be the first pick but Rams cut Bulger today . A line of Suh/Carriker/Long would be tough on offensive lines.

Lions and Bucs draft best players available in draft
Lions -Suh


 

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stingmark wrote:

Someone was bitching about the pick they got for him....whoever it was: you got your wish...he's out of town now...cant put any blame on him anymore.

 

Westbrook...got his stats during his tenure there, as well as playoff stats?


Probably me but I wasn't in love with moving him "for the sake of moving him". Trading him to a division opponent and sitting around wondering if you got enough for him is a bad combo. I would have just brought him back (drama and all / it's a "rebuilding" year anyway) rather than strengthen an opponent

 

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.


No bitching! Zero!!

 

Philly fans "who demand a winner every year" have no reason to whine now...they're man McNabb is not here anymore.....can't put any of it on him now.

Que? Who's bitching? They have alot of high draft picks in the First 3 rounds. That's good!


Someone was bitching about the pick they got for him....whoever it was: you got your wish...he's out of town now...cant put any blame on him anymore.

 

Westbrook...got his stats during his tenure there, as well as playoff stats?

* sigh* NO ONE was putting the blame on McNabb. Seriously, do You even read the posts, or do You just write whatever You feel like?

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That's one of the more frustrating things about message boards. I shouldn't care, but it makes a person want to explode before typing "every question you asked was covered earlier in the thread".

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C.C. Milani wrote: That's one of the more frustrating things about message boards. I shouldn't care, but it makes a person want to explode before typing "every question you asked was covered earlier in the thread".
 

Some people don't read anything in a thread before responding, just the last post or the first post.

Once you accept that, it's easier to condone repeated points being made by people that have been answered and asked already.

Frustrating to be sure but it's a message board fact that won't go away any time soon.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.


No bitching! Zero!!

 

Philly fans "who demand a winner every year" have no reason to whine now...they're man McNabb is not here anymore.....can't put any of it on him now.

Que? Who's bitching? They have alot of high draft picks in the First 3 rounds. That's good!


Someone was bitching about the pick they got for him....whoever it was: you got your wish...he's out of town now...cant put any blame on him anymore.

 

Westbrook...got his stats during his tenure there, as well as playoff stats?

* sigh* NO ONE was putting the blame on McNabb. Seriously, do You even read the posts, or do You just write whatever You feel like?


Dude...w/all due respect...STOP!!! You know damn well...people here (and elsewhere) were saying that "he's taken them as far as they can go...blah blah blah". To me, thats blaming him for more of it, than anyone else. Everyone in Philly"demands a winner ever year", is that not what was said? Donovan, apparently, is not a winner in many peoples minds, or else he'd still be there, and you all wouldnt be complaining about him?

Many Philly fans, Im sure blame him for not winning a SB, and put most of the blame on him for the teams woes? you can deny that all you want. I've said from the beginning, that I think he's a very very good QB, and that Philly fans will be begging for him to be back, or someone in a similar mold as him, very soon. When Kolb doesn't pan out(and Im not sure he will)...like I said...no Philly fans should come here and blame him anymore then...or bitch...you got your wish. Time to man up and deal with it now..... Lets see how good they are w/o McNabb.

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Lets see how good they are w/o McNabb.


Can't accuse someone of "putting all the blame on McNabb" and then turn around and say "it was all McNabb getting them that far" if they falter (what if they happen to be better?)

Philly clearly turning over the roster (rebuilding year) in the offseason though. They need to if the goal is "to win it all" vs "let's be competitive every year". I don't like the combo of trading to a division opponent and not getting all that they should have though in this case.

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The Ultimate Sin wrote: Chuck Long > Kolb
Kolb is going to surprise alot of People.

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stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: stingmark wrote: freebirdsforever2001 wrote: HBF wrote: Major coupe for Washington. Stupid move the Eagles, IMO. McNabb is the best player in franchise history not named Reggie White, Tommy McDonald or Steve Van Buren. The Eagles just made the Redskins relevant and themselves irrelevant in one swoop.

Fuck. Now I have to worry about the fucking Redskins when they play the G-Men!

I can't believe They only got a 2nd & a 3rd or 4th in next year's draft. They should've gotten more. This gives Them like 11 or 12 picks this year, with 5 in the top 84.


No bitching! Zero!!

 

Philly fans "who demand a winner every year" have no reason to whine now...they're man McNabb is not here anymore.....can't put any of it on him now.

Que? Who's bitching? They have alot of high draft picks in the First 3 rounds. That's good!


Someone was bitching about the pick they got for him....whoever it was: you got your wish...he's out of town now...cant put any blame on him anymore.

 

Westbrook...got his stats during his tenure there, as well as playoff stats?

* sigh* NO ONE was putting the blame on McNabb. Seriously, do You even read the posts, or do You just write whatever You feel like?


Dude...w/all due respect...STOP!!! You know damn well...people here (and elsewhere) were saying that "he's taken them as far as they can go...blah blah blah". To me, thats blaming him for more of it, than anyone else. Everyone in Philly"demands a winner ever year", is that not what was said? Donovan, apparently, is not a winner in many peoples minds, or else he'd still be there, and you all wouldnt be complaining about him?

Many Philly fans, Im sure blame him for not winning a SB, and put most of the blame on him for the teams woes? you can deny that all you want. I've said from the beginning, that I think he's a very very good QB, and that Philly fans will be begging for him to be back, or someone in a similar mold as him, very soon. When Kolb doesn't pan out(and Im not sure he will)...like I said...no Philly fans should come here and blame him anymore then...or bitch...you got your wish. Time to man up and deal with it now..... Lets see how good they are w/o McNabb.

Most non-Racist Eagles Fans have said many times over that They would LOVE to keep McNabb and get rid of Fat Andy. Since Fat Andy isn't going anywhere, McNabb was the one who had to go. You couldn't keep both of Them anymore.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
The Ultimate Sin wrote: Chuck Long > Kolb
Kolb is going to surprise alot of People.


I agree. All those Eagle fans who wanted McNabb gone are going to shocked.

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I'm probably not alone, but I'm really rooting for this to blow up in Philly's face. Of course, I don't think Washington is going to do much this season, but I'm hoping for Philly to stumble w/o McNabb. Kolb's probably the real deal, though, it's just a matter of him starting all 16.

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Kid_Naitch wrote: I'm probably not alone, but I'm really rooting for this to blow up in Philly's face. Of course, I don't think Washington is going to do much this season, but I'm hoping for Philly to stumble w/o McNabb. Kolb's probably the real deal, though, it's just a matter of him starting all 16.
McNabb didn't start all 16 every year. He was getting hurt alot for a while.

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freebirdsforever2001 wrote:
The Ultimate Sin wrote: Chuck Long > Kolb
Kolb is going to surprise alot of People.



Chuck is still better.

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So -- in the end the Birds dealt McNabb fior a third rounder. And dealt Kolb for DRC. Both disappointing.  Nobody "won" the trades.



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