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 Posted: Wed Apr 7th, 2010 10:22 pm
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Anybody know the career of Mr. Scott?

When did he begin in the WWF?  When did he leave the WWF?

What is he credited for if anything?

Where did he go after the WWF?

 



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Papa Voo wrote: Anybody know the career of Mr. Scott?

When did he begin in the WWF?  When did he leave the WWF?

What is he credited for if anything?

Where did he go after the WWF?

I only know his work as a booker with Mid-Atlantic and the WWF and he wasn't in the WWF long (I believe early '84 - mid '85).  It's hard to say what he actually meant to the WWF product since it seems he was constantly butting heads with Vince on his vision of wrestling.  I thought he was great in Mid-Atlantic but he had tons of talent to work with.  He might've briefly booked World Class after leaving the WWF but I don't think he was there long either.



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George Scott...booker extraordinaire or overrated booker?

Both. His vision of what pro wrestling "should be" was masterful in the 70's. His attention to detail was stunning. But times changed and and like so many people in a creative spot, Scott became outdated.

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Overrated.

His Mid-Atlantic success was only in changing the territory from a tag team homesteaders paradise to a singles competition area. Other than that he simply allowed the guys he brought in (Johnny Valentine, Don Jardine, etc.) to book their own angles.

In the WWF, he was ineffectual and started to show that he really *didn't* have the golden touch. Add failures in World Class, Tri-State, as well as a failed run for Crockett in 1988, and you get a guy who basically had one good idea and that was it.

He didn't suck-he just wasn't nearly as good as many have proclaimed.



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The reason I ask these questions is because I thought the whole Piper arrival into the WWF and his eventual pairing with Ace, the bodyguard was masterful work.  The Rock-N-Wrestling was another situation that had arisen during that same time period.  Many of the things dealing with the wrestling side of things, George Scott seems to get alot of credit.  Now most of this information came via message boards or some other third source. 

I have also heard Patterson's name thrown around for taking some of the credit for that time period. 

And last, was Vince calling all the shots?  I have heard Vince was too busy with the marketing end of things and handed the wheel over to Scott for the wrestling part. 

I really would like to read or hear an inside account about the behind-the-scenes movements from about 1982-1987.  That would be of more interest to me than some wrestler spinning tales about other wrestlers.  I guess I would like to hear more from the management side.  Who did Vinnie K confide in?  Gorilla?  Who played what roles during that time period and who owns some of the ideas from back then?  In "owns", I mean who came up with the original concepts to do things a certain way.



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There was a major sea change in WWF booking style that coincided with Scott's run with the company.  For basically the entire company's existence, booking was run on a simple formula: new heel debuts, beats enhancement talent, heel beats established talent, heel challenges babyface champion 1-3 times, heel loses to established talent.

Tag team division was run the same way.  Lou Albano brings in a new tag team for a run, they win the titles, lose the titles to a babyface tag team (usually a heartthrob team or an ethnic team, or both), Albano brings in new tag team...

That's a *little* oversimplified, but not much.  With the WWF snapping up talent left and right and expanding massively, those formulas weren't going to work any longer.  Now after getting a title run at Hogan, a guy like Paul Orndorff could remain fresh by having a falling-out with partner Roddy Piper and turning babyface.    Feuds like Santana/Savage could overlap into other programs involving guys like Sammartino.  So on, so forth.

Scott was the perfect guy to incorporate 27 new guys (guys who could main event in their "home" territories) into storylines that intertwined and could set up new stories.

I won't defend his stint for Crockett at all.  But overall I have to think of his WWF run as a success.

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Don't know if George Scott was "booker extraordinaire or an overrated booker," but I do know he is one guy that should be writing a book about his life as a wrestler and booker.

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Refresh my memory, but what was bad about his second stint in JCP in '88 or '89?

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DaNkinator wrote: Refresh my memory, but what was bad about his second stint in JCP in '88 or '89?

And to add to that question, what were the actually dates (months) that he started and finished during that second run?

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I think George Scott deserves credit as a booker extraordinaire. Despite his later failures in World Class and WCW, it would be unfair to discount Scott for not only how successful he made Mid-Atlantic, which was just another Southern style tag team/brawling/cheap heat territory before he reshaped things, but also for how he sustained that success and left a structure that built the promotion into an empire before Dusty spoiled it in just a couple of years. The equivalent would be to say the Rolling Stones were overrated just because none of their later albums had much to offer in comparison to their 1960s to early 1970s heyday.

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carpetbeggar wrote: DaNkinator wrote: Refresh my memory, but what was bad about his second stint in JCP in '88 or '89?

And to add to that question, what were the actually dates (months) that he started and finished during that second run?

Ric Flair said in his book that George Scott didn't want to publicize the match on TBS on Apr 2/89 because he felt that if people could watch them on tv for free then they wouldn't buy tickets for house shows. The show got a 4.3 rating and Scott was fired. This is when the booking committee was brought in with Flair, Kevin Sullivan, Jim Barnett, Jim Herd, and Eddie Gilbert.


 

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carpetbeggar wrote:
DaNkinator wrote: Refresh my memory, but what was bad about his second stint in JCP in '88 or '89?

And to add to that question, what were the actually dates (months) that he started and finished during that second run?


Scott was deep-fried by that point. He was hired in the very beginning of 1989 and was fired right after the New Orleans Clash special.

Scott was like Ole Anderson in that he tried going back in time, having slow-paced TV with "work the arm" matches. He also put far too much emphasis on washed up former stars like Bob Orton Jr, Iron Sheik, etc.

I almost hate to say it, but there was a lot of speculation that Scott was taking two paychecks- one from WCW, and one from Vince McMahon to make sure WCW didn't succeed.

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carpetbeggar wrote: Don't know if George Scott was "booker extraordinaire or an overrated booker," but I do know he is one guy that should be writing a book about his life as a wrestler and booker.


You ain't shittin'.  A poster just threw up some links to the George Scott bio on SLAM, and I read the part about his WWF days.  There were a few good stories in that small piece.

If he would do a book on his own, i think it may be a very good one, shedding light in some areas that usually do not get mentioned in all the other books.



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